PG Utah: Great Third Quarter!

[Bodiroga13]

The big problem is not that team has given up on Grief. This is a good thing, not a problem. The big problem is that team has given up on Giannis. I think that many players are questioning his leadership. He called them out yesterday saying we have no pride. And what is the outcome/result? They played even more "prideless" losing again. It's not even Griifin the person they blame for this failure of a team. It's Giannis because he is the one who chose him.

It's just a hunch, so i am probably wrong because i am not that smart neither intuitive. In any case, fire this clown today. Because the longer Grief stays, the faster we're headed for disaster. Players are gonna turn against each other soon.

[BigO]

Yup. Completely killed the momentum and slowed the game down. Not to mention fouled a 90 percent FT shooter. But he got mop riled up so go Bucks!

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Fake toughness? Mirotic would disagree.

Bobby is not only in Olynyk's head, but in the head of half this board. He helped the team come back and you blame him for stopping the momentum? The Jazz were laughing at the Bucks and he's one of the few players that showed some fight.

He's shooting 50% on the season, one of the best on the team and is the second best rebounder on the team. But he's the problem. You guys can do better, just like Griffin (well maybe not Griffin).

He was 4/11 and 0/2 from 3.

And to the point of second best rebounder on the team comment. Not only is that bat **** crazy with Giannis and Brook on the team but he was tied for 5th tonight in rebounds.

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Do everyone a favor. If you want to call people bat **** crazy, have some humility and do your homework.

Bobby Portis the last two seasons (prior to this one) averaged between 9 and 10 rebounds per game. In many more minutes, Lopez averaged much less (he didn't play two years ago but averaged less than 7 last year).

This year Brook is averaging 5.1 rebounds per game, while bobby is averaging 6.6, despite Griffin having him play way out on the court. There's no contest in who is the better rebounder. And Brook is shooting 47% and Portis 50%. The false narratives on Portis continue, but not everyone is fooled.

[BigO]

Was at the game tonight, and had a close enough view to watch the bench. There was a lot of loud talking back and forth with Griffin and the players. Nobody is on the same page on that team.

I don’t think they’re going to sack him tomorrow though. He may have the Celtics game as the deciding factor.

The other problem we’ve all discussed is the assistant coach problem. Prunty is a nice guy, but he’s really bad. At least in prior years you could envision Darvin being sort of the enforcer on things. There is no alternate guy on that staff that is able to rally things.

No Darvin, no Charles Lee. Prunty is fine as a third, or lower, banana but not the lead assistant for a rookie coach. The whole reason Stotts was hired. There is no one on the staff I want even as an interim coach.

I don't think Prunty is head coach material, but he may be a very good x's and o's guy. Not sure what Ham or Lee brought schematically, since they only knew one system. They're talking about running Ham out of LA during their recent slide.

If there's one thing good about this situation it's that it's emboldened the players to speak out. They tuned Bud out a long time ago.

[msiris]

Fake toughness? Mirotic would disagree.

Bobby is not only in Olynyk's head, but in the head of half this board. He helped the team come back and you blame him for stopping the momentum? The Jazz were laughing at the Bucks and he's one of the few players that showed some fight.

He's shooting 50% on the season, one of the best on the team and is the second best rebounder on the team. But he's the problem. You guys can do better, just like Griffin (well maybe not Griffin).

He was 4/11 and 0/2 from 3.

And to the point of second best rebounder on the team comment. Not only is that bat **** crazy with Giannis and Brook on the team but he was tied for 5th tonight in rebounds.

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Do everyone a favor. If you want to call people bat **** crazy, have some humility and do your homework.

Bobby Portis the last two seasons (prior to this one) averaged between 9 and 10 rebounds per game. In many more minutes, Lopez averaged much less (he didn't play two years ago but averaged less than 7 last year).

This year Brook is averaging 5.1 rebounds per game, while bobby is averaging 6.6, despite Griffin having him play way out on the court. There's no contest in who is the better rebounder. And Brook is shooting 47% and Portis 50%. The false narratives on Portis continue, but not everyone is fooled.

Bobby, Bobby, Bobby. For a big man he is not good enough for a defender.

[soxperry]

Im still shocked we didnt win. That whole third quarter it felt like destiny and I enjoyed myself immensely. Bobby pointing at his head to make fun of Olynyk for taking his bait, only for Bobby to get called for a foul a few seconds later as he tried to bait him again, and then get called for a tech shortly after is peak, and comprehensive Bobby.

[pifhluk23]

Fake toughness? Mirotic would disagree.

Bobby is not only in Olynyk's head, but in the head of half this board. He helped the team come back and you blame him for stopping the momentum? The Jazz were laughing at the Bucks and he's one of the few players that showed some fight.

He's shooting 50% on the season, one of the best on the team and is the second best rebounder on the team. But he's the problem. You guys can do better, just like Griffin (well maybe not Griffin).

He was 4/11 and 0/2 from 3.

And to the point of second best rebounder on the team comment. Not only is that bat **** crazy with Giannis and Brook on the team but he was tied for 5th tonight in rebounds.

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Do everyone a favor. If you want to call people bat **** crazy, have some humility and do your homework.

Bobby Portis the last two seasons (prior to this one) averaged between 9 and 10 rebounds per game. In many more minutes, Lopez averaged much less (he didn't play two years ago but averaged less than 7 last year).

This year Brook is averaging 5.1 rebounds per game, while bobby is averaging 6.6, despite Griffin having him play way out on the court. There's no contest in who is the better rebounder. And Brook is shooting 47% and Portis 50%. The false narratives on Portis continue, but not everyone is fooled.

Regarding rebounding you do have to take into account Brook tips boards to teammates and Bobby does not.

[soxperry]

He was 4/11 and 0/2 from 3.

And to the point of second best rebounder on the team comment. Not only is that bat **** crazy with Giannis and Brook on the team but he was tied for 5th tonight in rebounds.

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Do everyone a favor. If you want to call people bat **** crazy, have some humility and do your homework.

Bobby Portis the last two seasons (prior to this one) averaged between 9 and 10 rebounds per game. In many more minutes, Lopez averaged much less (he didn't play two years ago but averaged less than 7 last year).

This year Brook is averaging 5.1 rebounds per game, while bobby is averaging 6.6, despite Griffin having him play way out on the court. There's no contest in who is the better rebounder. And Brook is shooting 47% and Portis 50%. The false narratives on Portis continue, but not everyone is fooled.

Bobby, Bobby, Bobby. For a big man he is not good enough for a defender.

Hes not good at defending bigs in the paint but hes surprisingly not bad on the perimeter.

[PG Graveyard]

Prunty did take Boston to 7 games while playing Thon a lot and dealing with Drew Bledsoe. Maybe he can get us a win on Thursday by signing Thon to a 10 day.

[bucksfansince88]

Front offices bringing back coaches has precedence. You can throw out feelers and get it set up before pulling the trigger.

The Atkinson scenario is way too risky. You need to fire Griffin first, then proceed to make a negotiation with another team… then hire. You’ll have 15 games left in the season before that.

I think it is Bud/Stotts or bust. Realistically, we are going to play out the season and get someone new. The scary thing is seeing where Dame is at that point.

It’s possible that Horst has been quietly doing his due diligence and exploring avenues to replace Griffin. That’s my hope at least! I don’t see our roster being turned over and us going out getting a bunch of athletic lengthy switchable guys this season, so we sorely need a coach that can make our existing talent function more cohesively ! Griffin is clueless, takes zero accountability and is using the “newness” of the team as a shield and excuse for our putrid play thus far. You got two top 75 guys and this is the product that we’re getting?

[Matches Malone]

I regret watching this. Giannis sounds broken.

Watch on YouTube

[msiris]

Do everyone a favor. If you want to call people bat **** crazy, have some humility and do your homework.

Bobby Portis the last two seasons (prior to this one) averaged between 9 and 10 rebounds per game. In many more minutes, Lopez averaged much less (he didn't play two years ago but averaged less than 7 last year).

This year Brook is averaging 5.1 rebounds per game, while bobby is averaging 6.6, despite Griffin having him play way out on the court. There's no contest in who is the better rebounder. And Brook is shooting 47% and Portis 50%. The false narratives on Portis continue, but not everyone is fooled.

Bobby, Bobby, Bobby. For a big man he is not good enough for a defender.

Hes not good at defending bigs in the paint but hes surprisingly not bad on the perimeter.

He is ok, but he doesn't have the foot speed and gets blown by to easy. He is your classic tweener.

[paulpressey25]

Want to give props to this board. People saw the mess with Griffin from the outset, and it was discussed at length here.

There are still some contrarians for clicks and newb fans on social media pretending nothing is wrong. But after last night it’s getting harder to ignore the problem.

[CharityStripe34]

The big problem is not that team has given up on Grief. This is a good thing, not a problem. The big problem is that team has given up on Giannis. I think that many players are questioning his leadership. He called them out yesterday saying we have no pride. And what is the outcome/result? They played even more "prideless" losing again. It's not even Griifin the person they blame for this failure of a team. It's Giannis because he is the one who chose him.

It's just a hunch, so i am probably wrong because i am not that smart neither intuitive. In any case, fire this clown today. Because the longer Grief stays, the faster we're headed for disaster. Players are gonna turn against each other soon.

Highly doubt they've "quit" on Gianni. I was at the game in Cleveland on 12/29 and he was talking to his teammates frequently, especially the young guys. The players still like each other, but it's highly evident they look frustrated on the court, especially on defense. They do communicate with Griffin but it always seems like it's out of frustration.

[MickeyDavis]

I don't think talking patience at the outset was the wrong approach. New coach with a new system, 2 new starters, it would have taken time to adjust with any coach. But we're almost half way through the season and not only are we not improving, we're getting worse.

Wanting AG fired the first month of the season was a rash, hot take. Wanting him fired now is the only rational take.

[emunney]

He was 4/11 and 0/2 from 3.

And to the point of second best rebounder on the team comment. Not only is that bat **** crazy with Giannis and Brook on the team but he was tied for 5th tonight in rebounds.

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Do everyone a favor. If you want to call people bat **** crazy, have some humility and do your homework.

Bobby Portis the last two seasons (prior to this one) averaged between 9 and 10 rebounds per game. In many more minutes, Lopez averaged much less (he didn't play two years ago but averaged less than 7 last year).

This year Brook is averaging 5.1 rebounds per game, while bobby is averaging 6.6, despite Griffin having him play way out on the court. There's no contest in who is the better rebounder. And Brook is shooting 47% and Portis 50%. The false narratives on Portis continue, but not everyone is fooled.

Regarding rebounding you do have to take into account Brook tips boards to teammates and Bobby does not.

Controlled taps are scored as rebounds.

Considering Brook's size around the rim and the resources that have to be shown to him to keep him from just tapping everything in, plus the job he does on the other end keeping bigs off the offensive glass when he's not diverted to protect the rim, makes them more or less equally impactful on the glass. Bobby's advantage is that he can go and get it whereas Brook hasn't rebounded out of his area in his life. That means Bobby has better rebounding numbers, but it doesn't mean he's that much better for the team on the glass. Neither one is close to the impact of Giannis, who will get any rebound if you don't get to him early.

[sidney lanier]

Was at the game tonight, and had a close enough view to watch the bench. There was a lot of loud talking back and forth with Griffin and the players. Nobody is on the same page on that team.

I don’t think they’re going to sack him tomorrow though. He may have the Celtics game as the deciding factor.

The other problem we’ve all discussed is the assistant coach problem. Prunty is a nice guy, but he’s really bad. At least in prior years you could envision Darvin being sort of the enforcer on things. There is no alternate guy on that staff that is able to rally things.

No Darvin, no Charles Lee. Prunty is fine as a third, or lower, banana but not the lead assistant for a rookie coach. The whole reason Stotts was hired. There is no one on the staff I want even as an interim coach.

I don't think Prunty is head coach material, but he may be a very good x's and o's guy. Not sure what Ham or Lee brought schematically, since they only knew one system. They're talking about running Ham out of LA during their recent slide.

If there's one thing good about this situation it's that it's emboldened the players to speak out. They tuned Bud out a long time ago.

For those advocating regime change, it's good to look at what happens next, as you do here. The fire-the-coach proponents are to me looking at a car with misfiring spark plugs and arguing about what color to paint the brake calipers. They want to compound the error of the kneejerk Bud firing with something even kneejerkier just because it would be emotionally satisfying.

The error code being returned on the car computer is probably not for bad coaching. It's something else. Whatever it is -- fit, roster composition, growing pains, wing defense, Brook getting older, bench players disappointing, unexpected improvement by other teams -- the big question is not whether it's remediable by handing the clipboard to Joe Prunty, because I think we know how that would go. It's whether things are getting better or can be expected to get better over the next couple of months. A coaching change would neither expedite nor improve, in my opinion. It would probably make things worse.

[rayallenscalves]

I don't think talking patience at the outset was the wrong approach. New coach with a new system, 2 new starters, it would have taken time to adjust with any coach. But we're almost half way through the season and not only are we not improving, we're getting worse.

Wanting AG fired the first month of the season was a rash, hot take. Wanting him fired now is the only rational take.

I'm fine with being patient if the coach is making what seem like rational, logical decisions that just aren't working out. But there were so many red flags so quickly that I don't think calling for a first-month firing was all that rash. Sometimes you just know.

[paulpressey25]

The error code being returned on the car computer is probably not for bad coaching. It's something else. Whatever it is -- fit, roster composition, growing pains, wing defense, Brook getting older, bench players disappointing, unexpected improvement by other teams -- the big question is not whether it's remediable by handing the clipboard to Joe Prunty, because I think we know how that would go. It's whether things are getting better or can be expected to get better over the next couple of months. A coaching change would neither expedite nor improve, in my opinion. It would probably make things worse.

In the Bucks situation (title contender, two Top 75 of all time players), it is up to the coach to adapt to his roster.

If Giannis wasn't going 150% to cover up for his mistake, we'd be in much worse straights.

[Bodiroga13]

The big problem is not that team has given up on Grief. This is a good thing, not a problem. The big problem is that team has given up on Giannis. I think that many players are questioning his leadership. He called them out yesterday saying we have no pride. And what is the outcome/result? They played even more "prideless" losing again. It's not even Griifin the person they blame for this failure of a team. It's Giannis because he is the one who chose him.

It's just a hunch, so i am probably wrong because i am not that smart neither intuitive. In any case, fire this clown today. Because the longer Grief stays, the faster we're headed for disaster. Players are gonna turn against each other soon.

Highly doubt they've "quit" on Gianni. I was at the game in Cleveland on 12/29 and he was talking to his teammates frequently, especially the young guys. The players still like each other, but it's highly evident they look frustrated on the court, especially on defense. They do communicate with Griffin but it always seems like it's out of frustration.

I am with you, your take is more logical than mine. I really hope they have not given up on him neither him given up on them. In any case, a drastic change should happen soon. Because frustration will soon take the best of them.

[PG Graveyard]

The error code being returned on the car computer is probably not for bad coaching. It's something else. Whatever it is -- fit, roster composition, growing pains, wing defense, Brook getting older, bench players disappointing, unexpected improvement by other teams -- the big question is not whether it's remediable by handing the clipboard to Joe Prunty, because I think we know how that would go. It's whether things are getting better or can be expected to get better over the next couple of months. A coaching change would neither expedite nor improve, in my opinion. It would probably make things worse.

In the Bucks situation (title contender, two Top 75 of all time players), it is up to the coach to adapt to his roster.

If Giannis wasn't going 150% to cover up for his mistake, we'd be in much worse straights.

Russell Westbrook is a top 75 player too. Would he help?