PG Utah: Great Third Quarter!

[BigO]

I'll be happy to rerun the diagnostics after you give me an example of an NBA coach who was fired midseason with a winning record.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_Cleveland_Cavaliers_season

Yeah, that's right. LeBron, LeGM, soured on him at a time when they had the best record in the Eastern Conference. So that's one out of a few thousand team-seasons. As for Blatt, cleveland.com put it this way: "he ran out of time when the team ran out of hope." I "hope" we're not there yet, and I really hope Giannis is not the meddler LeBron is.

Rerunning diagnostics now. Still not getting the "faulty coach" code.

The diagnostic machine you're using is the problem. Get a new one and the code will come right up.

[tydett]

Wild to me that Grief came up under Skiles. Plenty of faults with Skiles, but his teams did not show up unprepared.

The big difference between Kidd and AG is that Kidd's defense actually had a record of success but when it got exposed, it was curtains.

Kidd's defense was employed, I think, just as teams really started shooting 3s and opening up the court. I'm not trying to advocate that Kidd would've still been a good coach, but I think his defense would've stayed salient longer if he started coaching 10 years earlier.

Griffin is trying (and failing) to implement a similar defense to Kidd after teams have already been opening the court for years. He's a literal dinosaur trying to make something happen that just isn't going to with this team.

[DingleJerry]

Yea I wouldn't be rooting for them to lose to Bos. best case would be Dame is back, they all have been humbled, play great and get it rolling from here. Unfortunately, I see that very unlikely. And imo their best chance to win a title this year is with another embarrassing loss leading to a new coach.

[BigO]

I've asked this before with no real answer. The Bucks team is essentially the same (plus KM is playing) with the one change of Lillard for Jrue. Is that one personnel change the biggest reason for the defensive sieve we see? I don't think so.

[-Jragon-]

Roster about to get shaken up. Bobby, Pat and maybe when Brook are gonna be moved

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Not Brook... 2nd leading shot blocker.. Midds seat should be hot ... he's not gelling with the dude he should be gelling with. Beas would play off the bench as a flame thrower but our starting 2 and 3 should be goons that set picks, play D and can be efficent in catch/shoot.

There was a story in Washington where Westbrook stopped practice and told the team that had Bradley Beal that in the last 7 possessions he didn't get the ball.. who do you think you are? do you know who he is? All NBA Bradley Beal, he should touch the ball everytime.

Well you could say that even stronger about Dame. Who TF is Midds to ever take the ball out of Dame's hands

Does being a leading shotblocker matter when you get cooked on the perimeter on any switch

Between Brook, Beas and KM ... you're saying Brook is our biggest defensive problem? The dude who has been recently in the DPOY conversation? Do you know he's been standing behind KM for the whole Bud regime covering up for him allowing straight line drives? Beas is even worse as he is often standing in the wrong spot

[sidney lanier]

The real question is if by some hilarious stroke of fate the Bucks are beating up Boston on Thursday evening, how many people will be begrudgingly cheering them on? It makes game threads hilarious. Tongue in cheek question, of course.

Rooting against the team you follow because you're unhappy about the coach is a choice, I guess. It's a long way round to eke out a little confirmation bias, but we have plenty here willing to take that walk.

[sidney lanier]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_Cleveland_Cavaliers_season

Yeah, that's right. LeBron, LeGM, soured on him at a time when they had the best record in the Eastern Conference. So that's one out of a few thousand team-seasons. As for Blatt, cleveland.com put it this way: "he ran out of time when the team ran out of hope." I "hope" we're not there yet, and I really hope Giannis is not the meddler LeBron is.

Rerunning diagnostics now. Still not getting the "faulty coach" code.

The diagnostic machine you're using is the problem. Get a new one and the code will come right up.

I'll try. For now I keep getting "Fan malfunction."

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I've asked this before with no real answer. The Bucks team is essentially the same (plus KM is playing) with the one change of Lillard for Jrue. Is that one personnel change the biggest reason for the defensive sieve we see? I don't think so.

I think blame is 50% on Griff, 30% on Dame, but the NBA is so competitive small differences add up. BroLo does look a slight step slower. Dude is massive and almost 36...they tend to decline at that age. Cam instead of JC makes a little difference as well. Add in 15 minutes of Wes a game instead of Beas, etc.

[Matches Malone]

Yeah, that's right. LeBron, LeGM, soured on him at a time when they had the best record in the Eastern Conference. So that's one out of a few thousand team-seasons. As for Blatt, cleveland.com put it this way: "he ran out of time when the team ran out of hope." I "hope" we're not there yet, and I really hope Giannis is not the meddler LeBron is.

Rerunning diagnostics now. Still not getting the "faulty coach" code.

The diagnostic machine you're using is the problem. Get a new one and the code will come right up.

I'll try. For now I keep getting "Fan malfunction."

[CharityStripe34]

I've asked this before with no real answer. The Bucks team is essentially the same (plus KM is playing) with the one change of Lillard for Jrue. Is that one personnel change the biggest reason for the defensive sieve we see? I don't think so.

Jrue/Grayson/Carter for Dame/Beasley/Young Guys is a significant backcourt change from defense to offense. But I do agree that the biggest reason is the aggressive ball-pressure scheme that's drawing Gianni and Brook away from the hoop. Khris has also lost a step, Freak has started to pick his spots defensively more often, etc.

[DingleJerry]

If you're doing a calculus of bad coaching, if they're doing a bad job, should they be fired etc I'm not sure how what we're watching isn't the exact example of it. Terrible nonsensical scheme, questionable rotations, ill preparation, no adjustment after 35ish games, players not motivated, players talking out about the system, seems he's lost the locker room. The only thing against firing is that its first year. In any other situation its a no brainer to fire. And in our win now situation I think you just have to cut your losses now and make the best of it.

ETA: Also, according to Grayson rep here him beaz is a basic wash on D. I was a Carter supporter by the end so I put some value there, but folks here said he can't play playoffs anyway. Jrue to Dame on D of course was going to weaken the D, but by no means a trainwreck like this. Dames Ds in Por (pre tanking) while of course never have been great but they've never been the complete mess of this, and that is while not flanked by Giannis/Brook. It is too bad Beaz was already acquired before we knew though, a D specialist I'm sure would've been the target instead. BUt I also have extreme confidence the D would still be a trainwreck in that situation because its a terrible system

[jimmybones]

No Darvin, no Charles Lee. Prunty is fine as a third, or lower, banana but not the lead assistant for a rookie coach. The whole reason Stotts was hired. There is no one on the staff I want even as an interim coach.

I don't think Prunty is head coach material, but he may be a very good x's and o's guy. Not sure what Ham or Lee brought schematically, since they only knew one system. They're talking about running Ham out of LA during their recent slide.

If there's one thing good about this situation it's that it's emboldened the players to speak out. They tuned Bud out a long time ago.

For those advocating regime change, it's good to look at what happens next, as you do here. The fire-the-coach proponents are to me looking at a car with misfiring spark plugs and arguing about what color to paint the brake calipers. They want to compound the error of the kneejerk Bud firing with something even kneejerkier just because it would be emotionally satisfying.

The error code being returned on the car computer is probably not for bad coaching. It's something else. Whatever it is -- fit, roster composition, growing pains, wing defense, Brook getting older, bench players disappointing, unexpected improvement by other teams -- the big question is not whether it's remediable by handing the clipboard to Joe Prunty, because I think we know how that would go. It's whether things are getting better or can be expected to get better over the next couple of months. A coaching change would neither expedite nor improve, in my opinion. It would probably make things worse.

I love your level headedness and well thought out posts, big fan.

But bro, the broken coaching light is going bananas right now.

Admitting this is coming from an emotional place but damn, Griffin's coaching sets off my fight or flight response lol.

[LittleRooster]

I get kidd was in his 4th season, but he was fired on Jan. 22nd. I’m holding out hope and that horst would try to bring in Atkinson or somehow convince Stotts to come back. There’s no way bud would


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[paulpressey25]

Lakers fired Paul Westhead after a 7-4 start. This was 18 months after he won the title as interim head coach after Jack McKinney had his bike accident.

The Winning Time series does a good job of highlighting what happened. Magic wanted Showtime to emerge. Westhead held him back.

[PG Graveyard]

I've asked this before with no real answer. The Bucks team is essentially the same (plus KM is playing) with the one change of Lillard for Jrue. Is that one personnel change the biggest reason for the defensive sieve we see? I don't think so.

It’s a lot more than that. It’s also Beasley, Payne, rookies, crappy young guys plus a non contract year Brook with diminished Pat and Bobby vs Wes, Grayson, Jevon, Ingles. It’s really a huge downgrade defensively. Even more so than I anticipated. Feel free to fire Griff but this current roster won’t be good defensively

[ANTETOKOUNBROS]

I want AG gone but only if Bud is back or a time machine allows us to get Nurse. I see all other available candidates as only being less flawed than AG rather than being an actual good fit. In other words, I don’t think we realistically find our coaching answer now which means we probably suffer through an entire AG season and waste this year.

[PG Graveyard]

Lakers fired Paul Westhead after a 7-4 start. This was 18 months after he won the title as interim head coach after Jack McKinney had his bike accident.

The Winning Time series does a good job of highlighting what happened. Magic wanted Showtime to emerge. Westhead held him back.

Who is Adrien Brody on our bench?

[paulpressey25]

Lakers fired Paul Westhead after a 7-4 start. This was 18 months after he won the title as interim head coach after Jack McKinney had his bike accident.

The Winning Time series does a good job of highlighting what happened. Magic wanted Showtime to emerge. Westhead held him back.

Who is Adrien Brody on our bench?

Griff saw the series and learned from it. He got rid of Brody (Stotts) before it became a problem for him.

[PG Graveyard]

Lakers fired Paul Westhead after a 7-4 start. This was 18 months after he won the title as interim head coach after Jack McKinney had his bike accident.

The Winning Time series does a good job of highlighting what happened. Magic wanted Showtime to emerge. Westhead held him back.

Who is Adrien Brody on our bench?

Griff saw the series and learned from it. He got rid of Brody (Stotts) before it became a problem for him.

Lol comparing Stotts to Pat Riley now. May be time to reevaluate. We would be calling for Stotts head within 2 weeks. We need a stronger voice

[0BobLobLaw0]

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