Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread

[Rapsfan07]

After seeing OG traded , anything is possible.. but why would the Hawks still consider Pascal now with rise of Jalen? I can't see the fit there anymore.

If I had to guess, it would be because they want to dump Hunter's deal, move Johnson to the 3 and play Siakam at the 4.

[Rapsfan07]

Need a 3 and D wing with upside

I've tried to get the math and value to work with no avail but something around Murray to NOLA, Murphy to Raps and Siakam to ATL would be nice.

[TorontoBarneys]

I'm pretty okay with this level of return for Siakam at this point. No picks involved. I'd be satisfied with moving forward with this.

Additionally, Hield and McConnell are easily punted to another team for filler and draft considerations, or simply allowed to expire.

[PhilBlackson]

Personally I prefer getting a younger player with upside (ie/ Walker) to Dejounte who will just be another ball dominant player when we already have IQ, RJ & Scottie. He also shoots a career average of 34% from 3, that the spacing won’t much better either.

[Chalky_White]

After seeing OG traded , anything is possible.. but why would the Hawks still consider Pascal now with rise of Jalen? I can't see the fit there anymore.

If I had to guess, it would be because they want to dump Hunter's deal, move Johnson to the 3 and play Siakam at the 4.

This. The right course of action for them likely is trading for Siakam if the cost isnt too much then trading away DJM for future assets. Re-tool on the fly similar to us around Trae, Pascal, and JJ.

[WuTang_CMB]

Masai did his business quietly for OG trade. He got Indiana and NY to improve their offers for OG. Then they canvassed the league one last time for the G-league showcase and pulled the trigger at the end of December.

I expect that teams that are legit interested won't be leaking anything to media. The ones that are doing that are in it for the hype and just playing games ie. Kings

Masai has to find 2 teams again for a potential Siakam trade. It looks like Pacers didn't care about OG being an expiring and were confident enough to retain him even though he is CAA-Knicks repped. We clearly like some of their players too. Seems they are still interested in Siakam.

I've spent too much time looking at every team and on the trade machine. I think if Miami is interested, there's a deal to be had there too.

Bam has been unbelievable this season. Jimmy is Jimmy. Siakam would be great piece next to them. Would they be willing to give up Jacquez + Herro? They probably would want to include Jovic instead of Jacquez, but still something I would consider if I were Spo/Riley.

[mademan]

Personally I prefer getting a younger player with upside (ie/ Walker) to Dejounte who will just be another ball dominant player when we already have IQ, RJ & Scottie. He also shoots a career average of 34% from 3, that the spacing won’t much better either.

With Bruce Brown struggling there and making a lot of money, i think Indy might open up to a Brown/Walker for Siakam trade. Contracts work, i believe (or are very close). Brown isnt guaranteed next year, but he's an ok rotation player and can be traded to a contender for an expiring and late 1st i think. I mean he was integral to Denver winning the title

[mademan]

I would think Rui, Reaves and a pick in a three way is pretty solid especially if you can also pry Griffin. I feel each of those guys will increase their value and you can flip GTJ for a backup big. Suddenly this team has a great bench and has a lot of depth.

What does that line-up look like?

RJ at the 3?

IQ
Reaves
RJ
Scottie
Yak

Dennis
GTJ
Rui
Boucher
?

Or does Rui start and Reaves come off the bench? Hence, making GTJ redundant?

I'd prefer the Indy pieces (or Heat if they want to include Jaime), but this is better than the Kings package.

ATL can make a good offer too, but doubt they will. The Lakers I could see trying to make a splash.

Poeltl
Barnes
Barrett
GTJ (hope you can retain him for cheap)
Quickley

Reaves
Hachimura
Boucher
Schroder (most likely traded)

We lose serious go to scoring though which is why the Indiana package or even Atlanta is way better.

My only problem with a Rui/Reaves package is that Rui is just not good. He's an 8th or 9th man type player making nearly 20 mill/year. He's definitely overpaid for his production, and if Barrett doesnt improve here (looking good so far), we'd have a couple of bloated contracts.

[Jadoogar]

Masai did his business quietly for OG trade. He got Indiana and NY to improve their offers for OG. Then they canvassed the league one last time for the G-league showcase and pulled the trigger at the end of December.

I expect that teams that are legit interested won't be leaking anything to media. The ones that are doing that are in it for the hype and just playing games ie. Kings

Masai has to find 2 teams again for a potential Siakam trade. It looks like Pacers didn't care about OG being an expiring and were confident enough to retain him even though he is CAA-Knicks repped. We clearly like some of their players too. Seems they are still interested in Siakam.

I've spent too much time looking at every team and on the trade machine. I think if Miami is interested, there's a deal to be had there too.

Bam has been unbelievable this season. Jimmy is Jimmy. Siakam would be great piece next to them. Would they be willing to give up Jacquez + Herro? They probably would want to include Jovic instead of Jacquez, but still something I would consider if I were Spo/Riley.

0% chance they give up Jaquez for a rental. He's already shown he can play and is cost controlled.

[Tor_Raps]

Need a 3 and D wing with upside

I've tried to get the math and value to work with no avail but something around Murray to NOLA, Murphy to Raps and Siakam to ATL would be nice.

Never thought of that trade but it'd be perfect for all teams.

[AbC?]

The Raptors don’t “need” anything in particular. This is a roster starved for talent compared to the truly elite teams. Barnes is likely not the best player on a real contender. The goal is creating a surplus of assets to use in trade for or to entice a superstar to join (Shai). Productive players on rookie contracts are essential too. Masai is doing an awful job of that.

[Rodrickle]

Need a 3 and D wing with upside

I've tried to get the math and value to work with no avail but something around Murray to NOLA, Murphy to Raps and Siakam to ATL would be nice.

Never thought of that trade but it'd be perfect for all teams.

Not sure if Murray is a good fit over there. CJ is still really productive, he'd probably have to go (Although they need his blistering shooting) if Murray is traded there. Murphy probably should be traded though as they'll eventually need to extend him and they have Herb Jones locked up in an absolute bargain deal. His extension will come up in two years. They also need a defensive center, which I think is more of a priority for them.

[mademan]

I've tried to get the math and value to work with no avail but something around Murray to NOLA, Murphy to Raps and Siakam to ATL would be nice.

Never thought of that trade but it'd be perfect for all teams.

Not sure if Murray is a good fit over there. CJ is still really productive, he'd probably have to go (Although they need his blistering shooting) if Murray is traded there. Murphy probably should be traded though as they'll eventually need to extend him and they have Herb Jones locked up in an absolute bargain deal. His extension will come up in two years. They also need a defensive center, which I think is more of a priority for them.

I dont think Pel's make any moves until they decide what to do with Zion. Is he a part of their future? Cause you only trade Herb if you think Zion is a long term piece. And realistically, Zion is no good enough to get what he's paid, miss as many games as he does and have as poor of an attitude towards conditioning and winning. I wouldnt be surprised if they moved off him this summer

[pharring]

I am starting to wonder if Masai's "selfish" comment was more off-court than on-court. And whether it was directed at Pascal's agent as opposed to Pascal.

Reporting seems to be that a deal with ATL at the 2023 draft was on the 1-yard line before the "leaked" comments about Pascal wanting to only extend with TOR. And now we have a further report out of SAC that Pascal said no to any possible extension with them, which torpedoed an active trade discussion.

If TOR put an extension on the table that is below the full max... while at the same time, Pascal's agent is telling the world he will not sign an extension anywhere else... it sounds like a strategy to try to box Masai in. Pay Pascal the max or watch his trade value diminish.

Masai is going to end up having to call his bluff, either by trading him for pennies on the dollar or by letting him try to find his max deal on the market after the season. I feel like after what happened with Fred, Masai will opt for the pennies.

If this is indeed what is happening, it is a bit of a minor miracle that (a) Pascal has played this well and (b) Masai hasn't given orders to Darko to freeze him out and tank his market value. I think in some other situations, this would become one of those "player and team have mutually agreed that player will stay away from the team while a deal is sought".

[Raptorfan2012]

Need a 3 and D wing with upside

I've tried to get the math and value to work with no avail but something around Murray to NOLA, Murphy to Raps and Siakam to ATL would be nice.

This is what I came up with:

Tor trades: Pascal to Atl
Atl trades D Murray to the Pelicans, and Hunter and AJ Griffin to the Raptors.
NOP trades Nance Jr and Tre Murph to the Raptors, and K Lewis to Atlanta.

Works in the trade checker.

[JB7]

I am starting to wonder if Masai's "selfish" comment was more off-court than on-court. And whether it was directed at Pascal's agent as opposed to Pascal.

Reporting seems to be that a deal with ATL at the 2023 draft was on the 1-yard line before the "leaked" comments about Pascal wanting to only extend with TOR. And now we have a further report out of SAC that Pascal said no to any possible extension with them, which torpedoed an active trade discussion.

If TOR put an extension on the table that is below the full max... while at the same time, Pascal's agent is telling the world he will not sign an extension anywhere else... it sounds like a strategy to try to box Masai in. Pay Pascal the max or watch his trade value diminish.

Masai is going to end up having to call his bluff, either by trading him for pennies on the dollar or by letting him try to find his max deal on the market after the season. I feel like after what happened with Fred, Masai will opt for the pennies.

If this is indeed what is happening, it is a bit of a minor miracle that (a) Pascal has played this well and (b) Masai hasn't given orders to Darko to freeze him out and tank his market value. I think in some other situations, this would become one of those "player and team have mutually agreed that player will stay away from the team while a deal is sought".

This wouldn't help either side. Trying to get Pascal's FA market to tank this way would just completely tank his trade value. Clearly Pascal's team thinks there are teams that will offer something close to max in FA (if he produces this year), so they will risk waiting until FA for a deal, to try and force the best possible number financially.

Again, as mentioned many times here, the team holding his bird rights can offer him the most. There is still value in that, and teams truly interested in him will trade for those rights, if they think signing him as a FA straight up is risky. For instance, if Indy has the cap space and is competing with the Sixers, would they be worried the Sixers would have a better chance at signing Pascal? They could then trade for Pascal, to acquire his bird rights, to be able to offer him a deal greater than what the Sixers can offer.

I think Pascal is different than Fred, because Pascal was already making max money, and so teams might be more willing to pay him his max. Other than Houston, I don't think any other teams wanted to max Fred.

[RalphWiggum]

Siakam
Dick
Piston's 2nd round pick

Giddy
Dort
Bertans
Houston's top 4 protected pick

[cbosh4mvp]

I'd resign Siakam to a 3 year 140M deal if i could. If not, trade him asap for some star role players and some draft capital.

[mtcan]

Siakam
Dick
Piston's 2nd round pick

Giddy
Dort
Bertans
Houston's top 4 protected pick

Josh Kiddey can't shoot still. No thanks.

I'll take a combo of Cason Wallace and Ousmane Dieng.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I am starting to wonder if Masai's "selfish" comment was more off-court than on-court. And whether it was directed at Pascal's agent as opposed to Pascal.

Reporting seems to be that a deal with ATL at the 2023 draft was on the 1-yard line before the "leaked" comments about Pascal wanting to only extend with TOR. And now we have a further report out of SAC that Pascal said no to any possible extension with them, which torpedoed an active trade discussion.

If TOR put an extension on the table that is below the full max... while at the same time, Pascal's agent is telling the world he will not sign an extension anywhere else... it sounds like a strategy to try to box Masai in. Pay Pascal the max or watch his trade value diminish.

Masai is going to end up having to call his bluff, either by trading him for pennies on the dollar or by letting him try to find his max deal on the market after the season. I feel like after what happened with Fred, Masai will opt for the pennies.

If this is indeed what is happening, it is a bit of a minor miracle that (a) Pascal has played this well and (b) Masai hasn't given orders to Darko to freeze him out and tank his market value. I think in some other situations, this would become one of those "player and team have mutually agreed that player will stay away from the team while a deal is sought".

The comment was about on court play.

This whole episode makes Masai look really bad. There's no good moves for Masai here. Either take the lowball, or watch Siakam drag this team to the play-in and then pull another Fred. Masai will be handing out suspensions with Adam Silver next year if he doesn't salvage this relationship.