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Re: Dennis Schroder wanted to lead his own team 

Post#81 » by JB7 » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:18 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:
JB7 wrote: the team doesn't need another distraction,


The only distraction is people reading an aggregated tweet and running with it.


Who cares whether the comment was pulled from a tweet or article. The point is obvious. Dennis was promised a starting PG role on the team, and that is why Darko was so committed to him. It is probably the reason he signed with the Raps, because he thought he would be able to generate the numbers he'll need for his next (and probably final deal), since this deal is only for two years.

I can't imagine Dennis is going to be all that happy at the end of the day coming off the bench. And even though Darko has tried to manage that by keeping his minutes high, and having him end games, I also don't know if that is sustainable if RJ continues to produce.

With Hali's injury, it might be the perfect time to deal Dennis, along with Pascal, to Indy for a package including Mathurin.
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Re: Dennis Schroder wanted to lead his own team 

Post#82 » by Fairview4Life » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:24 pm

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Fairview4Life wrote:
JB7 wrote: the team doesn't need another distraction,


The only distraction is people reading an aggregated tweet and running with it.


Who cares whether the comment was pulled from a tweet or article. The point is obvious. Dennis was promised a starting PG role on the team, and that is why Darko was so committed to him. It is probably the reason he signed with the Raps, because he thought he would be able to generate the numbers he'll need for his next (and probably final deal), since this deal is only for two years.

I can't imagine Dennis is going to be all that happy at the end of the day coming off the bench. And even though Darko has tried to manage that by keeping his minutes high, and having him end games, I also don't know if that is sustainable if RJ continues to produce.

With Hali's injury, it might be the perfect time to deal Dennis, along with Pascal, to Indy for a package including Mathurin.


Dennis signed with the Raps because we had a big hole at PG. That doesn't mean the Raps were going to not ever try and improve that position for the entire two years he signed for. He has been in the league for like 11 years and isn't an idiot.
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Re: Dennis Schroder wanted to lead his own team 

Post#83 » by tecumseh18 » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:37 pm

JB7 wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:
JB7 wrote: the team doesn't need another distraction,


The only distraction is people reading an aggregated tweet and running with it.


Dennis was promised a starting PG role on the team, and that is why Darko was so committed to him. It is probably the reason he signed with the Raps, because he thought he would be able to generate the numbers he'll need for his next (and probably final deal), since this deal is only for two years.

I can't imagine Dennis is going to be all that happy at the end of the day coming off the bench. And even though Darko has tried to manage that by keeping his minutes high, and having him end games, I also don't know if that is sustainable if RJ continues to produce.

With Hali's injury, it might be the perfect time to deal Dennis, along with Pascal, to Indy for a package including Mathurin.


There is no chance that any MLE signing would be promised a starting spot. For example, what if we had successfully traded for Dame?

It's 2024. Not 1994. If Dennis wants to get paid in his next contract, then he can do what everyone else does. Try to rack up decent advanced stats during the 25-30 mpg he's continuing to get.
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Re: Dennis Schroder wanted to lead his own team 

Post#84 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:40 pm

Every place we go, a new trade rumor pops up...almost like it's us doing it.
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Re: Dennis Schroder wanted to lead his own team 

Post#85 » by Johnston » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:43 pm

Dennis seems pretty engaged off the bench and played well. This could be something out of context. I'm pretty sure if you asked anyone coming off then bench if they would rather start, the answer would be yes.
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Post#86 » by mrdressup » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:45 pm

So did Malachi. You don't always get want you want.
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Post#87 » by mihaic » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:55 pm

Johnston wrote:Dennis seems pretty engaged off the bench and played well. This could be something out of context. I'm pretty sure if you asked anyone coming off then bench if they would rather start, the answer would be yes.

Yeh, Dennis seems engaged in the games since the trade. I don't see any issue a.t.m.

He is a hard competitor, and highly valuable for the team as constructed now.

If anything, he probably would disagree to be benched in favour of GTJ. And he would have a point... Maybe that's what it was all about.
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Re: Dennis Schroder wanted to lead his own team 

Post#88 » by ontnut » Tue Jan 9, 2024 6:23 pm

Schroder knows he's best as a backup or spot starter. Nobody was throwing starter money at him in the offseason, that's usually pretty indicative of your value to teams. Winning is the key - win, and everyone's happy.
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Post#89 » by T_saurus » Tue Jan 9, 2024 6:54 pm

Grange stirring the pot again.

Dennis is one of the smarter players on this team.
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Re: Dennis Schroder wanted to lead his own team 

Post#90 » by alpngso » Tue Jan 9, 2024 6:59 pm

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Re: Dennis Schroder wanted to lead his own team 

Post#91 » by ConSarnit » Tue Jan 9, 2024 7:04 pm

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ConSarnit wrote:Do remember: 2 years ago, in the midst of a contending season the Celtics sent him out for nothing (Theis was effectively considered dead money at the time). Dennis was averaging similar stats in BOS while playing significant minutes there.

Teams haven't exactly seemed keen to keep Schroder around for more than a year or so recently. Maybe he wears out his welcome.


The Celtics were barely above .500 at the time, Marcus Smart called out the Jays publicly, and their play-by-play guy said Tatum and Brown were playing for numbers (unheard of). Dennis' reputation for saying what he feels whether it's welcome or not is well-known. I can also imagine it may have been a challenging year as he had turned down that big contract from the Lakers and was playing for the minimum, watching Tatum and Brown play keep-away so they could pick up their supermax qualifiers.


Schroder took the 3rd most FGA on the Celtics that year and had the 3rd highest usage (more FGA and higher usage than he has this year). If he was complaining about touches I would counter that 3rd option type usage is pretty generous for someone of Schroder's stature.

Now time for reckless speculation:

I am of the belief that there is more than meets the eye when it comes to Schroder. The guy puts up the same numbers year after year and is regarded as a capable 6th man yet cannot get more than the MLE (a deal in which I assume was the best offer he got this offseason and was also born out of us panicking after losing FVV). He has denied the Lakers ever made the 4/84 offer (edit: I guess he is now saying the offer was there after denying it) and if that offer was on the table how did he go to only getting a 1-year $6m deal from the Celtics? He gets compared to Nerlens Noel for dropping the bag but Noel's deal was a post-rookie deal which are often based on potential (Noel did not improve the following year thus reducing his potential). Schroder on the other hand is a known commodity who is going make to make a combined $32m during what should be the prime 4 years of his career. I wouldn't be shocked if he wears out his welcome behind the scenes.

Schroder has been a known commodity since he was 26. There has to be something to him getting short changed on deals the past few years that extends past on the floor play. The guy can't stick anywhere nor can he get paid an actual market rate.

(I 100% acknowledge this is pure speculation on my part. It just doesn't make sense Schroder gets moved around and/or underpaid as much as he has in his career given he is a legitimate NBA talent)
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Re: Dennis Schroder wanted to lead his own team 

Post#92 » by junot111 » Tue Jan 9, 2024 7:09 pm

ConSarnit wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:
ConSarnit wrote:Do remember: 2 years ago, in the midst of a contending season the Celtics sent him out for nothing (Theis was effectively considered dead money at the time). Dennis was averaging similar stats in BOS while playing significant minutes there.

Teams haven't exactly seemed keen to keep Schroder around for more than a year or so recently. Maybe he wears out his welcome.


The Celtics were barely above .500 at the time, Marcus Smart called out the Jays publicly, and their play-by-play guy said Tatum and Brown were playing for numbers (unheard of). Dennis' reputation for saying what he feels whether it's welcome or not is well-known. I can also imagine it may have been a challenging year as he had turned down that big contract from the Lakers and was playing for the minimum, watching Tatum and Brown play keep-away so they could pick up their supermax qualifiers.


Schroder took the 3rd most FGA on the Celtics that year and had the 3rd highest usage (more FGA and higher usage than he has this year). If he was complaining about touches I would counter that 3rd option type usage is pretty generous for someone of Schroder's stature.

Now time for reckless speculation:

I am of the belief that there is more than meets the eye when it comes to Schroder. The guy puts up the same numbers year after year and is regarded as a capable 6th man yet cannot get more than the MLE (a deal in which I assume was the best offer he got this offseason and was also born out of us panicking after losing FVV). He has denied the Lakers ever made the 4/84 offer (edit: I guess he is now saying the offer was there after denying it) and if that offer was on the table how did he go to only getting a 1-year $6m deal from the Celtics? He gets compared to Nerlens Noel for dropping the bag but Noel's deal was a post-rookie deal which are often based on potential (Noel did not improve the following year thus reducing his potential). Schroder on the other hand is a known commodity who is going make to make a combined $32m during what should be the prime 4 years of his career. I wouldn't be shocked if he wears out his welcome behind the scenes.

Schroder has been a known commodity since he was 26. There has to be something to him getting short changed on deals the past few years that extends past on the floor play. The guy can't stick anywhere nor can he get paid an actual market rate.

(I 100% acknowledge this is pure speculation on my part. It just doesn't make sense Schroder gets moved around and/or underpaid as much as he has in his career given he is a legitimate NBA talent)

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Re: Dennis Schroder wanted to lead his own team 

Post#93 » by ATLTimekeeper » Tue Jan 9, 2024 7:35 pm

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Schroder took the 3rd most FGA on the Celtics that year and had the 3rd highest usage (more FGA and higher usage than he has this year). If he was complaining about touches I would counter that 3rd option type usage is pretty generous for someone of Schroder's stature.


I didn't say he was complaining about touches, but what Tatum and Brown were doing at the time was selfish basketball. Maybe he had a direct problem with that and said something (I'm speculating). Smart had a problem and said it in the media. Their homer media acknowledged it, too. Dennis should have had the 3rd highest usage on that team.

Now time for reckless speculation:

I am of the belief that there is more than meets the eye when it comes to Schroder. The guy puts up the same numbers year after year and is regarded as a capable 6th man yet cannot get more than the MLE (a deal in which I assume was the best offer he got this offseason and was also born out of us panicking after losing FVV). He has denied the Lakers ever made the 4/84 offer (edit: I guess he is now saying the offer was there after denying it) and if that offer was on the table how did he go to only getting a 1-year $6m deal from the Celtics? He gets compared to Nerlens Noel for dropping the bag but Noel's deal was a post-rookie deal which are often based on potential (Noel did not improve the following year thus reducing his potential). Schroder on the other hand is a known commodity who is going make to make a combined $32m during what should be the prime 4 years of his career. I wouldn't be shocked if he wears out his welcome behind the scenes.

Schroder has been a known commodity since he was 26. There has to be something to him getting short changed on deals the past few years that extends past on the floor play. The guy can't stick anywhere nor can he get paid an actual market rate.

(I 100% acknowledge this is pure speculation on my part. It just doesn't make sense Schroder gets moved around and/or underpaid as much as he has in his career given he is a legitimate NBA talent)


Nothing you said here was reckless :lol: He can be irascible in the locker room because he calls people out. Anthony Davis hated him when they first played together. Anthony Davis loved him in his second run with the Lakers.

Personally I don't think he's been moved around suspiciously. He was traded by the Hawks to the Thunder when they tanked and drafted Trae Young. He was traded by the Thunder to the Lakers when they decided to tank. He was offered a long-term commitment by the Lakers, and his agent made a blunder. He picked up the Celtics minimum offer. They traded him to a tanking team. He went back to the Lakers and they made the mistake of chasing Gabe Vincent instead, or he preferred to come here because of the Darko connection.
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Re: Dennis Schroder wanted to lead his own team 

Post#94 » by WaltFrazier » Tue Jan 9, 2024 7:42 pm

Johnston wrote:Dennis seems pretty engaged off the bench and played well. This could be something out of context. I'm pretty sure if you asked anyone coming off then bench if they would rather start, the answer would be yes.

Grange is on Will Lou show saying pretty much that. Dennis would rather start but is trying hard to make it work. Will says Grange's article got "aggregated" out of context and Grange agreed, said he was surprised to read the unhappy take.
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Re: Dennis Schroder wanted to lead his own team 

Post#95 » by Ari_Emanuel » Tue Jan 9, 2024 7:44 pm

That's fair. That's just not in our plans, so, bye!

We should trade him to Detroit or another struggling franchise that needs a veteran ball handler.
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Post#96 » by ishoy123 » Tue Jan 9, 2024 7:55 pm

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ConSarnit wrote:Do remember: 2 years ago, in the midst of a contending season the Celtics sent him out for nothing (Theis was effectively considered dead money at the time). Dennis was averaging similar stats in BOS while playing significant minutes there.

Teams haven't exactly seemed keen to keep Schroder around for more than a year or so recently. Maybe he wears out his welcome.


His destiny is to be a rental starting PG for teams like Ish Smith and Delon Wright. Not good enough to be your permanent starter, but good enough to play in the NBA.



Well, Lakers DID offer him 84 mill over four years, which Dennis - in what will forever be a legendary bag fumble - refused. He's learned he can be his own worst enemy, which is an important part of the maturation process.

Pretty sure he said that offer never happened
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Re: Dennis Schroder wanted to lead his own team 

Post#97 » by mowcrowbar » Wed Jan 10, 2024 3:04 am

he needs to to play outside the NBA if he wants to lead a team

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