NBA replay center somehow overturns Buddy Hield foul on Jaylen Brown with 3 seconds left.Wtf?

[Pacernation]

Didn't see anything wrong there!?

[Darth Celtic]

this egregious overturn ranks up there with the absurd foul of tatum on lebron last season, as far as refs changing calls and giving the game to the other team.

In that one they missed the foul on the court and as it wasn't called you can't challenge. That happens all the time and we complain and move on. This one it was called correctly and reviewed it and still overturned it which is 100 times worse and needs investigated

[robbie84]

Posting geolocked videos is still not bannable offense?

I'm in Australia and this was from ESPN on youtube. No idea what your Russian ISP is doing bruh.

[Darth Celtic]

All the nets fans coming in thread to support the officials is hilarious

[Ayt]

1st they reverse that obvious foul call.

Then they decide against a jumpball and instead give indy the ball.

Then they call a weak foul on KP at end of game.

That wasn't weak. If he had gone straight up, they wouldn't have called it, but he clearly moved his arm down and hit the shooter right on the shooting arm. Even the homer Celtics announcer admitted that.

[JonFromVA]

Also I see people saying because he may have hit ball first, it’s not a foul? If the league has always done this, I haven’t seen it. I often see a player get hit after releasing and get the call. You can’t just whack a player after he releases and it negates the contact

I've seen it called both ways on blocks. I don't even try to guess what the refs are going to decide in a situation like this or when they might feel like invoking the "incidental contact" rule.

I put the question to Google Bard and it seems to more or less agree with the corrected call. If Brown appeared to be more impacted (or if he flopped or if Draymond committed the foul) then he might get the call.

Personally, I'd love to see as much ambiguity as possible removed from the game. The NBA lives in fear that games would turn in to a free-throw shooting contests if they called all fouls, but I don't think they're giving their players enough credit. They will adapt to a consistent and obvious application of the rules. Even when they removed hand-checking there were very few players who weren't able to adapt to it.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Refs cost celtics the game and gave indy the game.

If the refs did their job, they would have called an offensive foul on Brown's push-off before the shot, and the foul that occured after wouldn't have even taken place.

So no, the refs did not cost the Celtics the game and give the Pacers the game.

Everything that followed is definitely unfortunate, but does not change the fact an offensive foul should have been called on Brown prior to everything else.

[Larry_Russell]

Refs cost celtics the game and gave indy the game.

If the refs did their job, they would have called an offensive foul on Brown's push-off before the shot, and the foul that occured after wouldn't have even taken place.

So no, the refs did not cost the Celtics the game and give the Pacers the game.

Everything that followed is definitely unfortunate, but does not change the fact an offensive foul should have been called on Brown prior to everything else.

no it shouldnt have.

Reaching to try and justify the travesty

[socal74]

Oh well, katmas a bitch

[Karate Diop]

There was not enough to overturn the call though. Who care how much the foul effects the shot, a foul is a foul.

If the NBA agrees with the ref, which is a possibility because they may stick with their own, then going forward as long as a player gets a part of the ball then they should be able to hit the player as well.

Watch replays of blocked shots, this is already how calls are made. This just looked odd since it was out on the perimeter, and the defender was coming from the side instead of directly at the shooter.

The real issue with this specific play was that the whistle was blow based on the reputation of the offensive player.

Nothing you ever write having to do with Boston will ever be taken serious. You've proven time and again that you stay mad about the Celtics dominating the Nets and sweeping that trash "super team". Just let the adults speak on this and stay in your lane.

Sorry, maybe I'm just slow today, or maybe something is getting lost in translation, but what does this thread have to do with the Nets?

I can't quite piece together where the BIG MAD energy is coming from, but my advice would be to let it go like Elsa. Or like my Gram used to say "Don't let hate make you a sour grape"

(It's also important to remember that no amount of rage is going to get the referees to reverse the correct call from yesterday's match... The Celtics have benefitted from more than their fair share of whistles over the years, so even if you disagree with this ruling, because the nuance of the rule can be confusing, sometimes you've got to just tip your cap and move on...)

[boomershadow]

I didn't think there was any chance that call was getting overturned, but then again the Pacers have definitely been on the receiving end of some reffing mistakes and bias in their time, so you take one when you can get it I guess.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Refs cost celtics the game and gave indy the game.

If the refs did their job, they would have called an offensive foul on Brown's push-off before the shot, and the foul that occured after wouldn't have even taken place.

So no, the refs did not cost the Celtics the game and give the Pacers the game.

Everything that followed is definitely unfortunate, but does not change the fact an offensive foul should have been called on Brown prior to everything else.

no it shouldnt have.

Reaching to try and justify the travesty

If you think extending your arm into a defenders chest, completely removing him from play, isn't a pushoff, then your basketball knowledge is more of a travesty than that call.

EDIT: If you want to argue they missed that call and it shouldn't have mattered when the reviewed the other call they got wrong, then fair enough, I can at least understand that argument. But it still would prove the refs didn't screw the Celtics over as they missed a call for the Pacers right before. Most Celtics fans have at least acknowledged Brown pushed off to clear space.

[Karate Diop]

All the nets fans coming in thread to support the officials is hilarious

Regardless of which team you support you should still be allowed to comment on other teams / NBA happenings.

The Nets and Celtics don't have much history, so to insinuate bias on the part of Nets posters is head scratching... The two teams have only met 19 times in the playoffs with the Nets having won 12 of those contests. Hardly rivalry material...

[Larry_Russell]

If the refs did their job, they would have called an offensive foul on Brown's push-off before the shot, and the foul that occured after wouldn't have even taken place.

So no, the refs did not cost the Celtics the game and give the Pacers the game.

Everything that followed is definitely unfortunate, but does not change the fact an offensive foul should have been called on Brown prior to everything else.

no it shouldnt have.

Reaching to try and justify the travesty

If you think extending your arm into a defenders chest, completely removing him from play, isn't a pushoff, then your basketball knowledge is more of a travesty than that call.

EDIT: If you want to argue they missed that call and it shouldn't have mattered when the reviewed the other call they got wrong, then fair enough, I can at least understand that argument. But it still would prove the refs didn't screw the Celtics over as they missed a call for the Pacers right before. Most Celtics fans have at least acknowledged Brown pushed off to clear space.

Suppose you are one of those that say jordan pushed off on Russell?

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

no it shouldnt have.

Reaching to try and justify the travesty

If you think extending your arm into a defenders chest, completely removing him from play, isn't a pushoff, then your basketball knowledge is more of a travesty than that call.

EDIT: If you want to argue they missed that call and it shouldn't have mattered when the reviewed the other call they got wrong, then fair enough, I can at least understand that argument. But it still would prove the refs didn't screw the Celtics over as they missed a call for the Pacers right before. Most Celtics fans have at least acknowledged Brown pushed off to clear space.

Suppose you are one of those that say jordan pushed off on Russell?

That was a weird one, Russell had bad positioning and was leaving the play either way the second Jordan brought it back. I'm not too sure he even pushed him, or if his hand was just there while Russell was leaving the play anyway(again, he overplayed it.)

As a Pacers fan, I can say Reggie DEFINITELY pushed Jordan.

Reggie's 40 footer against the Nets also came after the buzzer and it shouldn't have counted.

The Pacers have also been screwed by refs countless times. If I were a betting man, I'd argue many more times than they've helped us. While I'm a bit biased, I think its safe to say the Pacers aren't going to get a better whistle than guys like Jordan, Shaq/Kobe, LeBron/Wade, and big market teams, very often.

My main point was, if that entire sequence was called correctly, it would have been Pacers ball before Brown's foul even occured. So no, I don't believe the refs stole the game from the Celtics and gave it to the Pacers. But overturning that call was wild and I can understand why ya'll are upset about that.

[Lockdown504090]

I take it back. It wasn't inconclusive. It was a bad reverse call.

L2MR should state the same.

What's frustrating - and concerning - is that the wrong call was made after the slow mo review. And now nothing can be done about the result. Acknowledgement is after the fact just sort of pisses off all the more in this case.

It’s not definitively a wrong call, that’s not how fouls for illegal contact work. Buddy makes contact with the ball either before or simultaneously to browns head, meaning that the threshold for contact rises. Replay center then needed to determine how much contact there was and if it affected the speed balance rhythm or quickness of the shot, since it was during a shot. There’s a lot to this play. I’m not convinced fully either way. But they are because they took a foul and thought there was enough to overturn it. It’s awfully close though. I will point out though that a lot of people who called lebron ridiculous for being mad about the foot on the line thing aren’t going to say anything about this one.

Yeah but head isn't part of the ball like follow through contact with a hand is. Anything above the shoulder has also always been deemed a separate issue due to more dangerous nature of it. Not the same thing as other types of inadvertent contact.

I don't care about bringing LBJ into this conversation (he does it enough already). That was a totally different type of call and other than refs making a call which they do in general as part of their job, it has nothing to do with this particular play.

See you raise a really good point, within the actual rules, it says that illegal contact has the exception of marginal or insignificant contact, but many things such as contact above the shoulder have been called differently at times. I’ve long held that many interpretations need to be in the rulebook. The way they call travels with the gather damaged the perception of the rules badly. It should have always been in there. Things like this also need to be formally in the rulebook. It’s super annoying

[Karate Diop]

no it shouldnt have.

Reaching to try and justify the travesty

If you think extending your arm into a defenders chest, completely removing him from play, isn't a pushoff, then your basketball knowledge is more of a travesty than that call.

EDIT: If you want to argue they missed that call and it shouldn't have mattered when the reviewed the other call they got wrong, then fair enough, I can at least understand that argument. But it still would prove the refs didn't screw the Celtics over as they missed a call for the Pacers right before. Most Celtics fans have at least acknowledged Brown pushed off to clear space.

Suppose you are one of those that say jordan pushed off on Russell?

Even Jordan would tell you that Jordan pushed off Russell.

[Tor_Raps]

Ridiculous overturn and even more ridiculous how refs are able to get away with this without real consequences. They need to be held accountable for gross incompetence.

[JustBuzzin]

If you think extending your arm into a defenders chest, completely removing him from play, isn't a pushoff, then your basketball knowledge is more of a travesty than that call.

EDIT: If you want to argue they missed that call and it shouldn't have mattered when the reviewed the other call they got wrong, then fair enough, I can at least understand that argument. But it still would prove the refs didn't screw the Celtics over as they missed a call for the Pacers right before. Most Celtics fans have at least acknowledged Brown pushed off to clear space.

Suppose you are one of those that say jordan pushed off on Russell?

Even Jordan would tell you that Jordan pushed off Russell.

Saw that live it wasn't a push off. Jordan extended his hands but that was a crossover that got Russell off balance.

[AussieCeltic]

All the nets fans coming in thread to support the officials is hilarious

Regardless of which team you support you should still be allowed to comment on other teams / NBA happenings.

The Nets and Celtics don't have much history, so to insinuate bias on the part of Nets posters is head scratching... The two teams have only met 19 times in the playoffs with the Nets having won 12 of those contests. Hardly rivalry material...

You’re obviously more than welcome to comment on any team, but when you get only post negative troll type comments about the Celtics, it gets a bit old.