I'm In No Mood For a Clever Thread Title! Loss vs IND 1/8

[CelticsPride18]

Bum ass Mathurin will go back to his 5-14 shooting nights after this fugazi scoring game

[fallguy]

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[ConstableGeneva]

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Lebron to Celtics confirmed.

[KillahGhostface]

Bum ass Mathurin will go back to his 5-14 shooting nights after this fugazi scoring game

What? He’s 21 and averaging 15 a game on a 59% TS, 47/39 splits.

We don’t have to do this.

[KillahGhostface]

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Lebron to Celtics confirmed.

[Stan34]

Jayson made a ton of bad shot at the end of games. A ton of step back threes with slim change to fall. If people look at those playes like they do with Jaylen could see a lot of similar situation. But blaming JB for everything is the favorite sport of this board.
He made a big mistake, he took the shot with too much time on the clock. That's it.
But he was responsabile for he last 7 Celtics points, two baskets and one assist.
He is perfect? Absolutely not but he is a great player and Celtics fans should be happy to have him on the team.

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[playa-hater]

What will happen is Joe will get blamed for the 17 Celtic losses and Joe will not get credit for any of the 65 wins the Celtics will get this season.

For 98% of us we only care about winning 18 or not... well at least I hope so..

You do realize that if we are to win #18, Joe has to be a part of it.

If you don't believe in Joe then why are you hoping to get #18?

Numerous times in the past talented teams end up never winning or getting to the finals because the coach is incompetent.

You can't have it both ways.

It's either you tell us that you believe the Celtics are not winning a championship with Joe Mazzulla as coach or the Celts can win a championship even if you don't like Joe Mazzulla.

Just doesn't make sense to keep saying Joe is so bad and yet you're expecting a team coached by Joe Mazzulla to win a championship.

whaat??? I am a fan of Boston no matter who coaches. One has nothing to do with the other. Lame azz argument.

[playa-hater]

I’d like to think for myself & not listen to the guy who has nothing but negative **** to say about Joe

No one is asking YOU to listen to me.. Of course you could just use your eyes and watch Joe do Nothing... yet again..

I’ll continue to watch Joe lead us to the best record in the league while being elite on both end of the floor.
If you’d being paying attention this year you’d realise Joe has improved significantly this year in crunch time & the stats are there to back it up.

I’m sure we’ll see you again in a month when we’re 42-10 & we lose a close game though ….

I here just about every day.. you're welcome!

[BK_2020]

Jayson made a ton of bad shot at the end of games. A ton of step back threes with slim change to fall. If people look at those playes like they do with Jaylen could see a lot of similar situation. But blaming JB for everything is the favorite sport of this board.
He made a big mistake, he took the shot with too much time on the clock. That's it.
But he was responsabile for he last 7 Celtics points, two baskets and one assist.
He is perfect? Absolutely not but he is a great player and Celtics fans should be happy to have him on the team.

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The issue is not that he took a bad shot but that people are blaming Joe Mazzulla for it. Jaylen is allowed to make mistakes, that's fine, but you can't also claim that it wasn't a mistake for Jaylen to lunge into a double team and shoot a bad fadeaway. You especially can't blame the coach for not stopping Jaylen from doing so.

[jfs1000d]

I’d like to think for myself & not listen to the guy who has nothing but negative **** to say about Joe

Were down 5 with a minute to go a we lost because we got hosed by the refs. People don’t get tired of recycling the same dumb **** about Joe

You can be simultaneously frustrated by the refs screwing up AND bad decisions by Joe and Jaylen and KP. We got all those things.

Personally, I care much less about the refs/loss than I do about our decision-making under pressure.

Listen, I wish Joe called a timeout. They could have got a better look than what Jaylen got, IMO.

That has nothing to do with Brown, who created a plausible look and got fouled, official called the foul, then they took it away for a reason we do not understand.

Then, the Al rebound shouldn’t have resulted in .3 tenths off clock. It is immediate. Should have been .5 left.


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[playa-hater]

Jayson made a ton of bad shot at the end of games. A ton of step back threes with slim change to fall. If people look at those playes like they do with Jaylen could see a lot of similar situation. But blaming JB for everything is the favorite sport of this board.
He made a big mistake, he took the shot with too much time on the clock. That's it.
But he was responsabile for he last 7 Celtics points, two baskets and one assist.
He is perfect? Absolutely not but he is a great player and Celtics fans should be happy to have him on the team.

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The issue is not that he took a bad shot but that people are blaming Joe Mazzulla for it. Jaylen is allowed to make mistakes, that's fine, but you can't also claim that it wasn't a mistake for Jaylen to lunge into a double team and shoot a bad fadeaway. You especially can't blame the coach for not stopping Jaylen from doing so.

It's a Tie game. You get the ball and call time out. Design any play you want for whoever. Run the clock down and shoot guarantees a win or OT. It is that simple. A loss in regulation in that situation should not have been possible..

[BK_2020]

Jayson made a ton of bad shot at the end of games. A ton of step back threes with slim change to fall. If people look at those playes like they do with Jaylen could see a lot of similar situation. But blaming JB for everything is the favorite sport of this board.
He made a big mistake, he took the shot with too much time on the clock. That's it.
But he was responsabile for he last 7 Celtics points, two baskets and one assist.
He is perfect? Absolutely not but he is a great player and Celtics fans should be happy to have him on the team.

Inviato dal mio CPH2399 utilizzando Tapatalk

The issue is not that he took a bad shot but that people are blaming Joe Mazzulla for it. Jaylen is allowed to make mistakes, that's fine, but you can't also claim that it wasn't a mistake for Jaylen to lunge into a double team and shoot a bad fadeaway. You especially can't blame the coach for not stopping Jaylen from doing so.

It's a Tie game. You get the ball and call time out. Design any play you want for whoever. Run the clock down and shoot guarantees a win or OT. It is that simple. A loss in regulation in that situation should not have been possible..

What would a timeout change? Mazzulla wasn't going to take the ball out of Jaylen's hands in a game where he scored 40 on 65% shooting, so you'll have inbounds pass to Jaylen and Jaylen hold the ball up top. You don't really want to run an action since you want to let the clock run down to the last second. At the end of the day it would be up to Jaylen to execute, the same as it actually happened without any timeout.

[Shak_Celts]

I read everything everyone said, I expected just what I saw by the people i thought I would. It’s like clock work.

JB messed that up. With that said, he’s never really in that position because it’s ALWAYS Tatum who is rightfully given that position, he’s had a chance to learn what to do, not to do, when and when not to go over the years. Given he hasn’t been in that position, even though he made a mistake, he still got fouled and should have been on the line.

[playa-hater]

The issue is not that he took a bad shot but that people are blaming Joe Mazzulla for it. Jaylen is allowed to make mistakes, that's fine, but you can't also claim that it wasn't a mistake for Jaylen to lunge into a double team and shoot a bad fadeaway. You especially can't blame the coach for not stopping Jaylen from doing so.

It's a Tie game. You get the ball and call time out. Design any play you want for whoever. Run the clock down and shoot guarantees a win or OT. It is that simple. A loss in regulation in that situation should not have been possible..

What would a timeout change? Mazzulla wasn't going to take the ball out of Jaylen's hands in a game where he scored 40 on 65% shooting, so you'll have inbounds pass to Jaylen and Jaylen hold the ball up top. You don't really want to run an action since you want to let the clock run down to the last second. At the end of the day it would be up to Jaylen to execute, the same as it actually happened without any timeout.

There's a much greater chance. We would be able to get a shot and leave no time. Then that hectic last Possession that did happen.. And the idea that brown gets the ball either way is also a mistake.. Having whites involved in some sort of pick and roll with posinges might be a far better option.. Either way that's what coaching is for.. If we don't need a coach at the end, then just hire some girls softball coach. It's all the same thing..

[ConstableGeneva]

In a tied game, what I'd do -- cross halfcourt, call timeout with 3 seconds left, run one of the Brad EOG specials, win.

But 98% of teams/coaches will run iso in the situation we were in (same as in the Wolves and Warriors games). In a tied game, team should take the shot with as little time left as possible, timeout or not, so it's really up to the player with the ball to have an internal clock for that (whether he's passing it to a teammate or taking shot himself). Like Shak said, JB is just not used to those situations. (And that's why I would go with the unconventional option above. IF they practice those scenarios. Brad was so so good at calling those plays and anticipating what the other team would do.)

[fallguy]

In a tied game, what I'd do -- cross halfcourt, call timeout with 3 seconds left, run one of the Brad EOG specials, win.

But 98% of teams/coaches will run iso in the situation we were in (same as in the Wolves and Warriors games). In a tied game, team should take the shot with as little time left as possible, timeout or not, so it's really up to the player with the ball to have an internal clock for that (whether he's passing it to a teammate or taking shot himself). Like Shak said, JB is just not used to those situations. (And that's why I would go with the unconventional option above. IF they practice those scenarios. Brad was so so good at calling those plays and anticipating what the other team would do.)

I'd have gone - timeout. High screen and roll (White and Porzingis). Jaylen in the corner.

[BK_2020]

In a tied game, what I'd do -- cross halfcourt, call timeout with 3 seconds left, run one of the Brad EOG specials, win.

But 98% of teams/coaches will run iso in the situation we were in (same as in the Wolves and Warriors games). In a tied game, team should take the shot with as little time left as possible, timeout or not, so it's really up to the player with the ball to have an internal clock for that (whether he's passing it to a teammate or taking shot himself). Like Shak said, JB is just not used to those situations. (And that's why I would go with the unconventional option above. IF they practice those scenarios. Brad was so so good at calling those plays and anticipating what the other team would do.)

I'd have gone - timeout. High screen and roll (White and Porzingis). Jaylen in the corner.

How do you go to White and Porzingis and not Jaylen after the game they had? That's how you lose the locker room.
Also high screen and roll wouldn't have been very effective unless it was run with several seconds left on the clock. They'll just trap and none of the counters will be available because there's no time left. That's why a dribble ISO is one of the better options in that situation. Running actions necessarily involve bringing two players into the same area and deliberately killing spacing in order to get better spacing later, except in an end of game situation there's no "later" when you can cash out that investment.
In any case we got what you look for from an action anyway, namely a double team and a wide open teammate. We just didn't execute.

[fallguy]

In a tied game, what I'd do -- cross halfcourt, call timeout with 3 seconds left, run one of the Brad EOG specials, win.

But 98% of teams/coaches will run iso in the situation we were in (same as in the Wolves and Warriors games). In a tied game, team should take the shot with as little time left as possible, timeout or not, so it's really up to the player with the ball to have an internal clock for that (whether he's passing it to a teammate or taking shot himself). Like Shak said, JB is just not used to those situations. (And that's why I would go with the unconventional option above. IF they practice those scenarios. Brad was so so good at calling those plays and anticipating what the other team would do.)

I'd have gone - timeout. High screen and roll (White and Porzingis). Jaylen in the corner.

How do you go to White and Porzingis and not Jaylen after the game they had? That's how you lose the locker room.
Also high screen and roll wouldn't have been very effective unless it was run with several seconds left on the clock. They'll just trap and none of the counters will be available because there's no time left. That's why a dribble ISO is one of the better options in that situation. Running actions necessarily involve bringing two players into the same area and deliberately killing spacing in order to get better spacing later, except in an end of game situation there's no "later" when you can cash out that investment.
In any case we got what you look for from an action anyway, namely a double team and a wide open teammate. We just didn't execute.

1. I don't think you lose an entire locker room on one play. Especially a locker room devoted to sacrificing this year. Come on.
2. We started dribbling up court with what - 13 seconds left? Call the timeout there and you have plenty of time to run whatever you want.
3. Agreed we had a great open look and should have made the pass to the open guy.

[BK_2020]

I'd have gone - timeout. High screen and roll (White and Porzingis). Jaylen in the corner.

How do you go to White and Porzingis and not Jaylen after the game they had? That's how you lose the locker room.
Also high screen and roll wouldn't have been very effective unless it was run with several seconds left on the clock. They'll just trap and none of the counters will be available because there's no time left. That's why a dribble ISO is one of the better options in that situation. Running actions necessarily involve bringing two players into the same area and deliberately killing spacing in order to get better spacing later, except in an end of game situation there's no "later" when you can cash out that investment.
In any case we got what you look for from an action anyway, namely a double team and a wide open teammate. We just didn't execute.

1. I don't think you lose an entire locker room on one play. Especially a locker room devoted to sacrificing this year. Come on.
2. We started dribbling up court with what - 13 seconds left? Call the timeout there and you have plenty of time to run whatever you want.
3. Agreed we had a great open look and should have made the pass to the open guy.

You can't run an action that begins at, say, the 10 second mark because what happens if it works and you score 2 with 7 seconds left? Maybe you can argue that's what a team should do in that situation, but I would guess NBA teams ran the numbers and found that the percentages favor running down the clock and taking the last shot even if it's poor.

[fallguy]

How do you go to White and Porzingis and not Jaylen after the game they had? That's how you lose the locker room.
Also high screen and roll wouldn't have been very effective unless it was run with several seconds left on the clock. They'll just trap and none of the counters will be available because there's no time left. That's why a dribble ISO is one of the better options in that situation. Running actions necessarily involve bringing two players into the same area and deliberately killing spacing in order to get better spacing later, except in an end of game situation there's no "later" when you can cash out that investment.
In any case we got what you look for from an action anyway, namely a double team and a wide open teammate. We just didn't execute.

1. I don't think you lose an entire locker room on one play. Especially a locker room devoted to sacrificing this year. Come on.
2. We started dribbling up court with what - 13 seconds left? Call the timeout there and you have plenty of time to run whatever you want.
3. Agreed we had a great open look and should have made the pass to the open guy.

You can't run an action that begins at, say, the 10 second mark because what happens if it works and you score 2 with 7 seconds left? Maybe you can argue that's what a team should do in that situation, but I would guess NBA teams ran the numbers and found that the percentages favor running down the clock and taking the last shot even if it's poor.

We just disagree on end-game stuff. I think the personnel on this team demand the Brad Stevens approach, not the Joe Mazzula approach. Especially in high leverage situations.

Even if you want the Jaylen ISO, I think you take the time out so you can be clear with him about 'this is where your shooters are, here's the off-ball action we're running,etc'. It means he has to make fewer unpredictable reads.

If White is bringing the ball up in a no timeout situation, I feel better. Better shooter from three, better decision-maker, better court vision. Let him cook.