Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread

[bluerap23]

I would be fine with throwing in Poetl to get Lively. I am sure the Mavericks do not even pick up the phone for a Lively trade, but if they were willing a package of Siakam + Poetl for Lively and some of their prospects (none of them are very exciting but it is something) and a pick would be interesting. Raptors get Lively, who I value over any other prospect discussed (Kumgina, Walker, Mathurin, etc.) and some young role players to develop (Prosper + Green/Hardy). Mavericks get way better instantly:

Irving
Doncic
Williams/Hardaway/Jones
Siakam
Poetl

This team is way better than what they currently have. Actual contender. Hard to make the money work with Yak though.

[ArthurVandelay]

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[Tha Cynic]

I've felt that Dallas could be real because Pascal would want to be there.

It'd be hard because guys like THJ simply aren't good (that's why they're looking to trade him and upgrade lol), the other actual gettable good rotation pieces (like an Exum/Powell) either overlap with stuff we already have or aren't looking like actual good prospects in Green/Hardy/Prosper. None of those three excite me at all. It's like offering Gary/Gradey/Koloko as the main pieces in a deal and trying to be excited about it.

And Lively would be nice but they aren't trading him and he isn't that much of a need for us.

I'd prefer a Pacers package but idk if that's happening at this point.

They easily have the worst tradeable players in the league lol

[StopitLeo]

There's not much difference between Green and Neismith. Green was 8-9 the other day. I'd still take neismith but its not too much of a difference.


And i know you guys like Walker. Hasn't done a damn thing in the L! Dominated the G league. Not as good as Porter in the G league, but solid.

Hardy tripe double the other day. Oliver at least puts up some stats unlike Walkers 0, 0, 0, 0, 0

Josh Green would be a solid piece. Smart, well-rounded, athletic, and on a good contract.

The problem is if Dallas thinks THJ and Holmes have any value. I'd take Green, Williams, Kleber, and some combination of Lively/Prosper/picks.

[Zeno]

Some teams are targeting 2025 capspace. So if you can get Omax, Green and use the Dallas draft capital they give us to upgrade on Hardaway Jr and Holmes then maybe there is something that can get done, I suppose. It's possible though not likely to be great.

[NotMyKawhi]

There's not much difference between Green and Neismith. Green was 8-9 the other day. I'd still take neismith but its not too much of a difference.


And i know you guys like Walker. Hasn't done a damn thing in the L! Dominated the G league. Not as good as Porter in the G league, but solid.

Hardy tripe double the other day. Oliver at least puts up some stats unlike Walkers 0, 0, 0, 0, 0

Josh Green would be a solid piece. Smart, well-rounded, athletic, and on a good contract.

The problem is if Dallas thinks THJ and Holmes have any value. I'd take Green, Williams, Kleber, and some combination of Lively/Prosper/picks.

there's no lively

Hardy maybe but no lively

[ArthurVandelay]

I think it’s clear based on the odds Siakam has indicated to Raptors where he would resign.

If Masai can get Lively……. Oh man.

[CoinTossRoss31]

Lively + Oliver + a first + filler gets it done

[Ducksplatt]

If I put on my tinfoil hat, I am leaning towards Raps doing a GS package of Paul, Kuminga and Moody.

Kuminga:
The tipping point for me is that Grange is telling people no way we are getting Kuminga. I think he is being fed this by thre FO so when we DO get him, it will be quite an accomplishment. Young and lots of potential they will say

Moody:
He is not playing much and they cannot afford to give up the backup PG right now (Podz) or the backup C (TJD). Also, though this probably does not matter, Moody was a team mate of Scottie in HS. After trading his buddy OG away, maybe give a little familiarity. But I honestly don't think Bobby/Masai think that way. Ultimately, Moody is a cheaper option next year then re-signing Trent.

Paul:
Salary matching and they can't trade Stef, Klay or Draymond (and no-one wants Wiggins at the moment).

I also think that no-one (including the Raps) are giving Pascala 5 year contract so he is telling teams when the season is over, he will sign a 4 year contract by his choice. Honestly, I would do the same. And if this is the case, if not the above trade (which I know is a bit meh to some), then another trade.

I am now taking my tinfoil hat off.

[Son Goku 25]

Talent seems to be fading in the league.. don't get me wrong. There is lots of talent but seems like the top tier players are only a few compared to the last generation. There was this sort of fear in certain players where they can will you to a win or series by themselves. Now those guys are getting older and the ones remaining mostly have weaknesses and maybe a couple that you can truly say can do that like Luka.

[ash_k]

I doubt Cuban hold on to a 19 year center for a 2xtime All-NBA player, with Kyrie in his 30s and Doncic in win-now mode ..i don't really like what Mavs have to offer, there are better options

[bboyskinnylegs]

the Warriors make sense because their prospects are pretty meh, and they can afford to take the risk of Pascal leaving in the summer (and if a deal is structured the right way, they could actually lessen their ridiculous luxury tax bill). To me they would be the deal we take after all other teams (Pacers, Kings, Hawks, Pistons, Mavs) refuse to include their premium prospects.

[Appostis]

I would be fine with throwing in Poetl to get Lively. I am sure the Mavericks do not even pick up the phone for a Lively trade, but if they were willing a package of Siakam + Poetl for Lively and some of their prospects (none of them are very exciting but it is something) and a pick would be interesting. Raptors get Lively, who I value over any other prospect discussed (Kumgina, Walker, Mathurin, etc.) and some young role players to develop (Prosper + Green/Hardy). Mavericks get way better instantly:

Irving
Doncic
Williams/Hardaway/Jones
Siakam
Poetl

How ridiculous is this take.
Assuming they could make the money work you're telling me the Mavericks would shy away from what is a championship caliber team.

That would be a give away by the Raptors and you honestly think the Mavs would not jump at it. Wow

[djsunyc]

how would you all feel if this was the deal to dallas:

pascal (ufa)
otto (ufa)
temple (ufa)

for

thjr ($16.1)
holmes ($12.9 PO)
josh green ($12.6 / $13.6 / $14.7)
omax ($2.8 / $3 TO / $5.2 RFA / $8.2 QO)
2025 unprotected swap
2025 toronto 2nd round pick (get it back)
2026 unprotected frp
(their 2024 frp will most likely convey to nyk this year so they can't trade 2025 outright)

with thjr under contract next year for $16 mil, you can let gary walk

[ArthurVandelay]

I would be fine with throwing in Poetl to get Lively. I am sure the Mavericks do not even pick up the phone for a Lively trade, but if they were willing a package of Siakam + Poetl for Lively and some of their prospects (none of them are very exciting but it is something) and a pick would be interesting. Raptors get Lively, who I value over any other prospect discussed (Kumgina, Walker, Mathurin, etc.) and some young role players to develop (Prosper + Green/Hardy). Mavericks get way better instantly:

Irving
Doncic
Williams/Hardaway/Jones
Siakam
Poetl

This team is way better than what they currently have. Actual contender. Hard to make the money work with Yak though.

January 15 you could do this huuuge trade.

Raptors: THJr, Grant Williams, Holmes, Green, Omax, Lively
Dallas: Siakam, Poeltl, Temple, Koloko

No picks included. Raps have to waive someone.

I’d do it if that is where Siakam wants to go. Not ideal return but whatever….

[Zeno]

how would you all feel if this was the deal to dallas:

pascal (ufa)
otto (ufa)
temple (ufa)

for

thjr ($16.1)
holmes ($12.9 PO)
josh green ($12.6 / $13.6 / $14.7)
omax ($2.8 / $3 TO / $5.2 RFA / $8.2 QO)
2025 unprotected swap
2025 toronto 2nd round pick (get it back)
2026 unprotected frp
(their 2024 frp will most likely convey to nyk this year so they can't trade 2025 outright)

with thjr under contract next year for $16 mil, you can let gary walk

You can get an additional swap for 2027 too I suppose. Not great but not nothing, I suppose. Omax is playing the 905 right now by the way.

[StopitLeo]

There's not much difference between Green and Neismith. Green was 8-9 the other day. I'd still take neismith but its not too much of a difference.


And i know you guys like Walker. Hasn't done a damn thing in the L! Dominated the G league. Not as good as Porter in the G league, but solid.

Hardy tripe double the other day. Oliver at least puts up some stats unlike Walkers 0, 0, 0, 0, 0

Josh Green would be a solid piece. Smart, well-rounded, athletic, and on a good contract.

The problem is if Dallas thinks THJ and Holmes have any value. I'd take Green, Williams, Kleber, and some combination of Lively/Prosper/picks.

there's no lively

Hardy maybe but no lively

I know, I know. It’s not the most exciting trade but it would help establish a young core of guys that can grow together.

I actually think Green and Williams would fit into the rotation quite nicely right away. Kleber is hurt so maybe it would have to be Holmes (not terrible if Poeltl is out for a while). We’d have to get one of Hardy/Propser and while I’d like a pick that might be pushing it.

For some reason I get the sense Dallas wouldn’t want to trade Green.

[mademan]

I doubt Cuban hold on to a 19 year center for a 2xtime All-NBA player, with Kyrie in his 30s and Doncic in win-now mode ..i don't really like what Mavs have to offer, there are better options

He 100% would. Lively's the real deal. Maybe they trade him for Siakam/Poeltl, but its hard to get those contracts to wrok

[Tor_Raps]

The Dallas stuff needs to stop asap. There is no way we will accept less for Siakam than we got for OG. At worst, it would need to be on the same level.

Dallas isn't trading Lively simply because he has too much impact for them on a super cheap deal. Without him, it's a poo poo platter.

[Johnny Bball]

I would be fine with throwing in Poetl to get Lively. I am sure the Mavericks do not even pick up the phone for a Lively trade, but if they were willing a package of Siakam + Poetl for Lively and some of their prospects (none of them are very exciting but it is something) and a pick would be interesting. Raptors get Lively, who I value over any other prospect discussed (Kumgina, Walker, Mathurin, etc.) and some young role players to develop (Prosper + Green/Hardy). Mavericks get way better instantly:

Irving
Doncic
Williams/Hardaway/Jones
Siakam
Poetl

How ridiculous is this take.
Assuming they could make the money work you're telling me the Mavericks would shy away from what is a championship caliber team.

That would be a give away by the Raptors and you honestly think the Mavs would not jump at it. Wow

About the only way this works is if Dallas includes THJ, Kleiber, Grant Williams OR GREEN (Poison pill deal), Holmes, Lively and OMP. For Poeltl Siakam and Temple.

It kind of guts their depth. Which was a problem last year.

Raptors would have to find homes for THJ and probably Holmes and Kleiber. I can see them keeping Williams or Green.