Does Steph really have PORT?

[ShaqAttac]

Warriors cant even win at home now and even wiggins playin bad now. Is steph really a port god? Dont seem like chef can cook without the drayman. Ppl like to talk bout his on/off but hes -10

[tsherkin]

Warriors cant even win at home now and even wiggins playin bad now. Is steph really a port god? Dont seem like chef can cook without the drayman. Ppl like to talk bout his on/off but hes -10

Is this a serious question, or you are you just trolling?

The man's 35, playing on a team with crap D, dreadful possession control, bad shooting beneath the arc, a second option scoring below league-average efficiency and no real bench. Oh, and Wiggins, who is charbroiled dog sphincter this year.

What is it you expect him to do?

[tone wone]

Their bench is actually quite good (shout out to the Point-God) it's their starters. To pit it another way; they have a lot of solid options 6-10 but no great options 3-5 and their #2 has lost his mind.

Wiggins and Looneys fall off have just killed them.

[tsherkin]

Their bench is actually quite good (shout out to the Point-God) it's their starters. To pit it another way; they have a lot of solid options 6-10 but no great options 3-5 and their #2 has lost his mind.

Wiggins and Looneys fall off have just killed them.

Chris Paul is good, though he has also started about a third of the games he's played, so he's kind of pseudo-bench.

Anyway, my point is that there is a bunch of stuff going on right now that is undercutting Golden State's ability to compete. In no way is it related to Steph's portability. Dude's out there having a top-10 offensive season and OP is losing his mind.

[AdagioPace]

wait, is PORT the urban dictionary version of portability, by any chance? I can't think of any other word that makes sense.
I wouldn't be too hard on Curry anyway. His prime is almost at the end and his career is already well outlined.

[tsherkin]

wait, is PORT the urban dictionary version of portability, by any chance? I can't think of any other word that makes sense.
I wouldn't be too hard on Curry anyway. His prime is almost at the end and his career is already well outlined.

Yes, portability. But also, it's somewhat inappropriately applied here by the OP.

The original, Nylon Calcus-era, notion was:

More specifically, it’s about players maintaining impact, or scaling up, on better and better offenses, which is critical when building championship-level teams.

So, players moving in the opposite direction. Steph is experiencing a downgrade in offensive environment and overall team offensive potency, but his impact is still there, so there's no real clue what the OP is driving at. And that's without accounting for age/career phase and all that.

[parsnips33]

System player obviously

[RCM88x]

Warriors have a lot of problems indeed. I don't think Curry is one of them, but at least until this point they've been bad with him on the floor and I guess acceptable with him off the floor. This year is a pretty significant outlier for someone who's usually a elite performer in +/-.

Defensively I think he's become a harder piece to fit with. Compared to just two years ago where he was really pretty solid to now where it's just not working with him well at all.

But I would say at this point this probably signals more of an issue with the supporting cast than with him, since it is such an outlier. Maybe that says something about his portability but it also probably doesn't.

[tsherkin]

Warriors have a lot of problems indeed. I don't think Curry is one of them, but at least until this point they've been bad with him on the floor and I guess acceptable with him off the floor. This year is a pretty significant outlier for someone who's usually a elite performer in +/-.

Defensively I think he's become a harder piece to fit with. Compared to just two years ago where he was really pretty solid to now where it's just not working with him well at all.

But I would say at this point this probably signals more of an issue with the supporting cast than with him, since it is such an outlier. Maybe that says something about his portability but it also probably doesn't.

Honestly, the Warriors as they presently exist are not good. That's not on Steph. Looking at him as the source of the problem is just daft, you know?

[RCM88x]

Warriors have a lot of problems indeed. I don't think Curry is one of them, but at least until this point they've been bad with him on the floor and I guess acceptable with him off the floor. This year is a pretty significant outlier for someone who's usually a elite performer in +/-.

Defensively I think he's become a harder piece to fit with. Compared to just two years ago where he was really pretty solid to now where it's just not working with him well at all.

But I would say at this point this probably signals more of an issue with the supporting cast than with him, since it is such an outlier. Maybe that says something about his portability but it also probably doesn't.

Honestly, the Warriors as they presently exist are not good. That's not on Steph. Looking at him as the source of the problem is just daft, you know?

Oh yeah I agree he's far from the source of their issues, or even one of them.

[NBA4Lyfe]

His port was always dependent upon the elite shooters surrounding him which changed how teams had to guard the warriors offense. Players like Otto porter, Harrison barnes, klay Thompson, and Durant made the warriors that much more dangerous

I’ve always said curry is not a floor raiser but a ceiling raiser. This is why to me jokic is the better OFFENSIVE PLAYER between the two. You put a player like jokic, harden, lebron, prime cp3 on any team in the league and they would more than likely make the playoffs( especially in the era of the play-in tournament).


Take out klay and put in Kelly oubre there instead and the warriors miss the playoffs altogether. Curry would still be able to score efficiently but the impact would not be the same

[oaktownwarriors87]

Warriors cant even win at home now and even wiggins playin bad now. Is steph really a port god? Dont seem like chef can cook without the drayman. Ppl like to talk bout his on/off but hes -10

Curry is -5.47 with Draymond
Curry is -8.92 with Wiggins
Curry is +5.68 without Wiggins
Curry is +1.63 with Draymond and without Wiggins
Curry is +6.91 without both Draymond and Wiggins

Every player on the Warriors except Garuba (5 minutes played) and Santos (21 minutes played) has a positive rating in non-Wiggins minutes.

[AEnigma]

Oh, look, someone fell into the trap.

“If Steph is so portable, why is his impact only high when he is not playing with stars?”

[NBA4Lyfe]

Warriors cant even win at home now and even wiggins playin bad now. Is steph really a port god? Dont seem like chef can cook without the drayman. Ppl like to talk bout his on/off but hes -10

Curry is -5.47 with Draymond
Curry is -8.92 with Wiggins
Curry is +5.68 without Wiggins
Curry is +1.63 with Draymond and without Wiggins
Curry is +6.91 without both Draymond and Wiggins

Steph curry on/off historically was due to the warriors having bench players like Shaun Livingston and Quinn cook coming in the game to replace him

Now this season with a hof pg( albeit past his prime) the warriors are actually better with cp3 on the court than they are with steph right now. And of course cp3 breaks his hand( don’t know how legitimate that injury is) and now they are talking about trading cp3.

The whole non-steph minutes thing was always a fake attempt to try and make curry more important than he was. They seemingly have fixed the non-steph minutes problem this year but because having cp3 is destroying that long running narrative they want to ship him out

[tsherkin]

I’ve always said curry is not a floor raiser but a ceiling raiser. This is why to me jokic is the better OFFENSIVE PLAYER between the two. You put a player like jokic, harden, lebron, prime cp3 on any team in the league and they would more than likely make the playoffs( especially in the era of the play-in tournament).

We all understand that port was specifically about ceiling raising, not floor raising, right?

[oaktownwarriors87]

Warriors cant even win at home now and even wiggins playin bad now. Is steph really a port god? Dont seem like chef can cook without the drayman. Ppl like to talk bout his on/off but hes -10

Curry is -5.47 with Draymond
Curry is -8.92 with Wiggins
Curry is +5.68 without Wiggins
Curry is +1.63 with Draymond and without Wiggins
Curry is +6.91 without both Draymond and Wiggins

Steph curry on/off historically was due to the warriors having bench players like Shaun Livingston and Quinn cook coming in the game to replace him

Now this season with a hof pg( albeit past his prime) the warriors are actually better with cp3 on the court than they are with steph right now. And of course cp3 breaks his hand( don’t know how legitimate that injury is) and now they are talking about trading cp3.

The whole non-steph minutes thing was always a fake attempt to try and make curry more important than he was. They seemingly have fixed the non-steph minutes problem this year but because having cp3 is destroying that long running narrative they want to ship him out

Cory Joseph and Garry Payton Jr. actually have better net ratings than Paul and Curry in non Wiggins/Green minutes. I guess Curry and Paul are both being exposed as frauds.

[EmpireFalls]

I think he does, a sweet red with dessert, especially living that close to Napa Valley and having a chef as a wife, would seem to be an integral part of any rich superstar’s wine cellar. However, it remains unclear if he does indeed have PORT, and to what extent his PORT stock is.

[tsherkin]

I think he does, a sweet red with dessert, especially living that close to Napa Valley and having a chef as a wife, would seem to be an integral part of any rich superstar’s wine cellar. However, it remains unclear if he does indeed have PORT, and to what extent his PORT stock is.

This is now my favorite response in this thread.

[Warriors Analyst]

Warriors cant even win at home now and even wiggins playin bad now. Is steph really a port god? Dont seem like chef can cook without the drayman. Ppl like to talk bout his on/off but hes -10

Curry is -5.47 with Draymond
Curry is -8.92 with Wiggins
Curry is +5.68 without Wiggins
Curry is +1.63 with Draymond and without Wiggins
Curry is +6.91 without both Draymond and Wiggins

Steph curry on/off historically was due to the warriors having bench players like Shaun Livingston and Quinn cook coming in the game to replace him

Now this season with a hof pg( albeit past his prime) the warriors are actually better with cp3 on the court than they are with steph right now. And of course cp3 breaks his hand( don’t know how legitimate that injury is) and now they are talking about trading cp3.

The whole non-steph minutes thing was always a fake attempt to try and make curry more important than he was. They seemingly have fixed the non-steph minutes problem this year but because having cp3 is destroying that long running narrative they want to ship him out

Seek help.

[tsherkin]

Warriors cant even win at home now and even wiggins playin bad now. Is steph really a port god? Dont seem like chef can cook without the drayman. Ppl like to talk bout his on/off but hes -10

Also, I meant to circle back to this.

He's also playing a third of his minutes at the 2 for the first time since his rookie season... and is still 9th in the league in O-EPM.

How does that square with your narrative?