Fultz Prediction

[thelead]

retired or playing in another league unfortunately

[Fortune Teller]

I don't get the compulsion to find ways to continue paying Fultz and Isaac. Team-friendly deals, vet minimums, mid-level exceptions, etc., etc. How about we stop paying them to not play basketball.

[Skybox]

I don't get the compulsion to find ways to continue paying Fultz and Isaac. Team-friendly deals, vet minimums, mid-level exceptions, etc., etc. How about we stop paying them to not play basketball.

and, if they resurface elsewhere and do okay - good for them. No longer our concern...just spend the savings wisely-on reliable support for P&F

[Rainwater]

I don't get the compulsion to find ways to continue paying Fultz and Isaac. Team-friendly deals, vet minimums, mid-level exceptions, etc., etc. How about we stop paying them to not play basketball.

I completely agree with this. The guy cannot even stay on the. The magic can’t keep giving money to a guy who can’t play.

[pepe1991]

No allstar game for him?

[KillMonger]

I don't get the compulsion to find ways to continue paying Fultz and Isaac. Team-friendly deals, vet minimums, mid-level exceptions, etc., etc. How about we stop paying them to not play basketball.

yeah, i've reached that point with fultz and i'm pretty much almost there with JI as well.....it's just year after year with these guys on the bench, cheering sure....but then again if i was collecting millions just sitting on the bench i would cheer as well....about kelle being "family" and staying on as a mentor or whatever? i felt if that was going to happen he would've just resigned earlier, but he decided to "bet on himself" as he alluded to on his twitter....well i'm pretty sure he wasn't expecting a TOS flare up to be a factor in his contract year and yet, here we are.....I don't think AB's development should be affected anymore trying to keep fultz on, and to be fair to fultz i don't think HE feels his career has reached that point where he's a 3rd stringer....so i think the writing is on the wall at this point

[pepe1991]

Mindblowing numbers- games played

2017 draft:

Lonzo Ball -252 games (potential career ending)
Tatum - 472 games
Jackson (out of nba) -291 games
Fox -410 games
Lauri- 376 games


Fultz & Isaac 366 games played. Combined.

[Skybox]

I don't get the compulsion to find ways to continue paying Fultz and Isaac. Team-friendly deals, vet minimums, mid-level exceptions, etc., etc. How about we stop paying them to not play basketball.

yeah, i've reached that point with fultz and i'm pretty much almost there with JI as well.....it's just year after year with these guys on the bench, cheering sure....but then again if i was collecting millions just sitting on the bench i would cheer as well....about kelle being "family" and staying on as a mentor or whatever? i felt if that was going to happen he would've just resigned earlier, but he decided to "bet on himself" as he alluded to on his twitter....well i'm pretty sure he wasn't expecting a TOS flare up to be a factor in his contract year and yet, here we are.....I don't think AB's development should be affected anymore trying to keep fultz on, and to be fair to fultz i don't think HE feels his career has reached that point where he's a 3rd stringer....so i think the writing is on the wall at this point

I agree with all of this but I don't think it's a sure thing that he was offered any extension...It would make total sense that the FO has some idea of his fit, his ceiling, and maybe even his health and very reasonably said "let's just wait and see if he takes a leap" and he basically leapt off a cliff...they might have held onto their cards, wisely, because they had the same doubts many of us had well before any injury issues made it crystal clear that he's not the answer here.

[Skin]

Prediction: Fultz will have some big hero moments in the playoffs this year

[Def Swami]

I hate to say it because by all accounts Fultz is a great person, but if that hitch is back, I don’t think there’s any way he can come back unless he’s okay with being a bench guard for the rest of his career.

[KillMonger]

I hate to say it because by all accounts Fultz is a great person, but if that hitch is back, I don’t think there’s any way he can come back unless he’s okay with being a bench guard for the rest of his career.

You think that mentally he's at that point? To where he can look at his career objectively and say that he's a bench player? It would take a lot for a player to do that, much less one that's still right in the middle of his prime years.... On top of that he's a former 1st overall pick.... Maybe he is but I'm still of the mindset that he still thinks he can be a starter and that's why for some reason the Magic and kelle were unable to come to an agreement earlier...... I don't think Markelle think he's cooked, from the team's perspective though he's been pretty much dead money

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[Skybox]

I hate to say it because by all accounts Fultz is a great person, but if that hitch is back, I don’t think there’s any way he can come back unless he’s okay with being a bench guard for the rest of his career.

You think that mentally he's at that point? To where he can look at his career objectively and say that he's a bench player? It would take a lot for a player to do that, much less one that's still right in the middle of his prime years.... On top of that he's a former 1st overall pick.... Maybe he is but I'm still of the mindset that he still thinks he can be a starter and that's why for some reason the Magic and kelle were unable to come to an agreement earlier...... I don't think Markelle think he's cooked, from the team's perspective though he's been pretty much dead money

Sent from the phone in my hands

Spent most of his career on the bench...just in street clothes

[eyriq]

Prediction: Fultz will have some big hero moments in the playoffs this year

I kind of expect this, too. I can't accept that he's regressed from a top 30 PG, top 150 NBA player, to being a fringe rotation player. He's going to have some moments, and he's going to make it at least interesting come free agency.

I still think he's off the team, though. Drafting Black and resigning Cole pretty much ended the intrigue. I also don't think he's getting starters money, or even Cole money. Being damaged goods and injury prone to boot is going to discount his next contract.

[Bergmaniac]

I hate to say it because by all accounts Fultz is a great person, but if that hitch is back, I don’t think there’s any way he can come back unless he’s okay with being a bench guard for the rest of his career.

You think that mentally he's at that point? To where he can look at his career objectively and say that he's a bench player? It would take a lot for a player to do that, much less one that's still right in the middle of his prime years.... On top of that he's a former 1st overall pick.... Maybe he is but I'm still of the mindset that he still thinks he can be a starter and that's why for some reason the Magic and kelle were unable to come to an agreement earlier...... I don't think Markelle think he's cooked, from the team's perspective though he's been pretty much dead money

At this point he flat out refuses to take a shot from outside the paint, surely he is smart enough to know he can't be an NBA starter as a PG if that remains the case.

If the hitch remains as bad as it is currently he'd be lucky to stay in the league at a vet minimum.

[Residual-Heat]

I dont want him as a starter or on the bench anymore. There's just not enough playing time for him. We need go out and get a PG/combo guard. Then we have another PG in Black and Cole. I dont want Fultz taking Black's minutes. Plus, we probably need to use his expiring contract if we're making a move for a good guard.

If we dont make a trade then we just let him expire and look to sign a PG FA better than Markelle. Tyus, Dinwiddie, Conley, Delon Wright, ect.

[CZ Eddie]

if that hitch is back

I missed 11.5 of his 12 minutes in the return game - did you see something odd about his shooting?

[VFX]

I dont want him as a starter or on the bench anymore. There's just not enough playing time for him. We need go out and get a PG/combo guard. Then we have another PG in Black and Cole. I dont want Fultz taking Black's minutes. Plus, we probably need to use his expiring contract if we're making a move for a good guard.

If we dont make a trade then we just let him expire and look to sign a PG FA better than Markelle. Tyus, Dinwiddie, Conley, Delon Wright, ect.

This.

There is already a logjam of guards and the rotations have been broken down a zillion times with who works with who and who doesn’t.

The missing link is not a fringe rotation guy getting demoted to a bench role. It’s a vet presence that can fill in and close out games until Black can while being a mentor in the process.

All of this before factoring in the dynamics of lineups and skill sets.

[Skybox]

I dont want him as a starter or on the bench anymore. There's just not enough playing time for him. We need go out and get a PG/combo guard. Then we have another PG in Black and Cole. I dont want Fultz taking Black's minutes. Plus, we probably need to use his expiring contract if we're making a move for a good guard.

If we dont make a trade then we just let him expire and look to sign a PG FA better than Markelle. Tyus, Dinwiddie, Conley, Delon Wright, ect.

This.

There is already a logjam of guards and the rotations have been broken down a zillion times with who works with who and who doesn’t.

The missing link is not a fringe rotation guy getting demoted to a bench role. It’s a vet presence that can fill in and close out games until Black can while being a mentor in the process.

All of this before factoring in the dynamics of lineups and skill sets.

That sure sounds like Brogdon to me. Tyus would certainly be viable as one of the NBAs most efficient game managers…but I prefer Brogdon’s size, scoring and defensive advantages. I guess Brogdon’s injury history is the concern. Plus, he’s under contract for another year…which aligns with AB’s realistic trajectory.

Either should be gettable. Either would be a good move. Brogdon would be my preferred- if that’s the role we fill (rather than long term guy like Simons, etc)

[pepe1991]

Quick fix- Terry Rozier.
Gets assists, can shoot, can score, can play defense. Can play off and on ball.

Guy averages 24 ppg ,7 apg on positive BPM ( 2,7) and 58% TS. But Hornets suck so nobody cares, he is 29 so he is in his prime.

[Skybox]

Quick fix- Terry Rozier.
Gets assists, can shoot, can score, can play defense. Can play off and on ball.

Guy averages 24 ppg ,7 apg on positive BPM ( 2,7) and 58% TS. But Hornets suck so nobody cares, he is 29 so he is in his prime.

I'd be excited about that although not my first choice...most on the trade boards put his defense up there (down there?) with Simons'. In both cases, the numbers would drop, dummies would not recognize that's situational and expected - assuming efficiency and winning went up. Both Simons and Rozier actually have efficient scoring numbers, considering their losing situations and the way they're probably being defended. Both score from inside and out, but I'd say Simons is the more elite 3pt shooter.

Rozier is older, but not too old (29 to Simons' 24). Simons is a truly elite athlete-slam dunk champ. Rozier is smaller (6'1 w/a 6'8 wingspan to Simons' 6'3 w/ a 6'9 wingspan). Their remaining contracts are similar....Who's available? Respective cost to get them? and, most significantly, what's their mindset/BBIQ/vision of their role?

It could simply be a function of personality - CJ McCollum is an articulate, intelligent natural leader who flourished when he was "freed" from POR's shadow. I don't really have any insights about how they'd each fit with our guys' excellent chemistry. If the asking price for Simons is too high...and CHA had Rozier available- would make sense to look at it.