Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread

[PhilBlackson]

Idk why we don’t just trade for Jarace Walker.

I like him way more than Kuminga. I think Kuminga is a lot more talented than some of you are making him out to be with the Precious comparison, although I do understand that he doesn’t have a great feel for the game either. He can already do way more than Precious off the bounce. BUT Jarace can do the same (if not more) has a MUCH better feel for the game, bigger, better passer, better defender and of course better shooter. If we can one of Neismith (preferably) or Smith with him then idk why we don’t pull the trigger.

The GSW package only worries me because I could see the FO thinking it’s a “sexier” package to sell fans with the lame “Canadian” hook with Wiggins and Kuminga is a bit more well known and more explosive that his dunking could be a draw for the casual fan. Not to mention Moody being a former teammate of Scottie’s. I really wish we could just peel Moody away from them with a different trade (ie/ GT Jr, Boucher or something to that effect).

[WuTang_CMB]

Pretty clear to me they are invested in Darko's system. They need multiple ball handlers, shooters, cutters to thrive. Pascal is a great player but they likely want multiple guys at lesser $ dollar amounts in order to plug n play next to BBQ

Indy is the most ideal out of all these teams

Brown, Walker, Nesmith for Pascal .. they can keep Hield and their picks

[MiamiSPX]

I am sure GS knows they have to compensate a team heavily to take Wiggins. That is not the problem.

The problem is how can the Raptors actually play him and sell that to the team and fans? I don't even think Masai could play up the Canadian angle without someone asking if he's concerned that Wiggins actually sucks.

And worst of all, Wiggins doesn't seem to care. This isn't the first time he's done this either. I'd want this guy nowhere near our team.

[Brinbe]

Idk why we don’t just trade for Jarace Walker.

I like him way more than Kuminga. I think Kuminga is a lot more talented than some of you are making him out to be with the Precious comparison, although I do understand that he doesn’t have a great feel for the game either. He can already do way more than Precious off the bounce. BUT Jarace can do the same (if not more) has a MUCH better feel for the game, bigger, better passer, better defender and of course better shooter. If we can one of Neismith (preferably) or Smith with him then idk why we don’t pull the trigger.

The GSW package only worries me because I could see the FO thinking it’s a “sexier” package to sell fans with the lame “Canadian” hook with Wiggins and Kuminga is a bit more well known and more explosive that his dunking could be a draw for the casual fan. Not to mention Moody being a former teammate of Scottie’s. I really wish we could just peel Moody away from them with a different trade (ie/ GT Jr, Boucher or something to that effect).

I'd prefer Walker too, but it's more about the Pacers at this point. This all potentially plays into Masai's hands as the deadline nears and teams get desperate to make moves.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[PhilBlackson]

Idk why we don’t just trade for Jarace Walker.

I like him way more than Kuminga. I think Kuminga is a lot more talented than some of you are making him out to be with the Precious comparison, although I do understand that he doesn’t have a great feel for the game either. He can already do way more than Precious off the bounce. BUT Jarace can do the same (if not more) has a MUCH better feel for the game, bigger, better passer, better defender and of course better shooter. If we can one of Neismith (preferably) or Smith with him then idk why we don’t pull the trigger.

The GSW package only worries me because I could see the FO thinking it’s a “sexier” package to sell fans with the lame “Canadian” hook with Wiggins and Kuminga is a bit more well known and more explosive that his dunking could be a draw for the casual fan. Not to mention Moody being a former teammate of Scottie’s. I really wish we could just peel Moody away from them with a different trade (ie/ GT Jr, Boucher or something to that effect).

I'd prefer Walker too, but it's more about the Pacers at this point. This all potentially plays into Masai's hands as the deadline nears and teams get desperate to make moves.

I totally understand it potentially increasing urgency and therefore the offers BUT one BIG problem….

We’ve already seen Pascal and his camp are completely fine with leaking last minute info to utterly blow up any trades. That’s a MASSIVE gamble that I don’t think they should be taking.

I’m sure GSW has already changed their tone and if you tell whatever remaining suitors…look we have a package that’s being offered that we plan on acting on unless you give us your best trade offer today that they would be able to get most of what they would’ve right at the deadline. But imo they really should not run that gigantic risk of Pascal’s team blowing the whole thing up.

[WuTang_CMB]

With Siakam, several teams continue to value Toronto’s lanky playmaker. Sacramento, Indiana, Detroit and Dallas mark four suitors NBA executives keep listing as active buyers that have explored avenues to land Siakam. But for any interested party, like when Murray’s Hawks pursued Siakam this past summer, or even the struggling Golden State Warriors, who’ve discussed Siakam internally, sources said, any front office acquiring Siakam has to significantly weigh the clear messaging from Siakam’s side of this equation. He holds a direct path to unrestricted free agency this summer, and Siakam can simply walk to the highest bidder on the open market just as his former teammate Fred VanVleet did for Houston in June. Siakam’s group, according to league sources, does feel confident similar top-dollar offers will be available as the 29-year-old has rounded into All-Star form within a Toronto offense that’s featuring Scottie Barnes. Siakam doesn’t appear to have any interest in the two-year extension he could sign after being dealt this season compared to the maximum, long-term contract he plans to command as a free agent, sources said.

A trade can certainly be reached over the coming weeks. But for all those complications, rival executives are prepared for the possibility that Siakam could remain in Toronto, where the Raptors would have to consider extending him. The parameters surrounding a Siakam trade aren’t going to change. Why should any team risk sending out valuable rotation players and draft capital for a veteran who could simply net out as a half-season rental? And why should a team projected to have cap space, that believes it can be the lucky bidder to land Siakam come June 30, sacrifice anything similar? Both Indiana and Detroit will have serious room to play with this summer. So will Philadelphia, with Siakam’s former Raptors head coach, Nick Nurse, manning the bench, and that has league personnel pinning the Sixers as another potential free-agency bogeyman to scare off Siakam trade-deadline bids.

That leaves us with Murray, a 27-year-old, 6-foot-5 combo guard posting career numbers, before a four-year, $114 million extension kicks in for the 2024-25 campaign. His defensive reputation may have proven overstated since coming out of San Antonio, but Murray is still valued as a true plus on that end of the floor. Combine all of his production with the looming new ramifications of a harsher second luxury-tax apron, and Murray’s longterm number is considered relatively modest for his talents.

[Ackshun]

Pretty clear to me they are invested in Darko's system. They need multiple ball handlers, shooters, cutters to thrive. Pascal is a great player but they likely want multiple guys at lesser $ dollar amounts in order to plug n play next to BBQ

Indy is the most ideal out of all these teams

Brown, Walker, Nesmith for Pascal .. they can keep Hield and their picks

I recall Masai saying something when he first arrived for the GM role. Something along the lines of …he adds players that work with his coach’s philosophy.

Which was strange because Nurse ran some of the most offensive g league rosters prior to the HC role. Those teams would run you out the gym and put up tons of points in a hurry. Then Masai gave him a roster with barely any shooters. Lol

[WuTang_CMB]

He traded Precious and is looking to deal Pascal. I think they see the importance of shooting at this point.

hey where was the thread titled 6'9 vision failed?

can make it as soon as that pascal trade hits lol

Watch on YouTube

always liked him at arkansas

funny how he was getting DNP's all year and now they are clearly showcasing him

he's a better prospect than Kuminga by a mile. Shooter, smart and a system player

[WuTang_CMB]

Golden State’s take: Let’s start here: These teams have discussed Siakam in recent weeks. I’ve heard that on a more substantial level and saw Mike Dunleavy Jr. and Masai Ujiri in the tunnel pregame on Sunday night having a drawn-out conversation. So there’s something potentially there. I’d wager the Warriors view that proposal — Kuminga, two firsts and a valuable expiring salary — as too steep. Paul’s contract is useful for them because they’re trying to duck the second apron this summer and Siakam, if acquired, would presumably be ticketed as an expensive part of their future. — Anthony Slater

[ArthurVandelay]

JD and Blake saying to take the Kings deal for Heurter, Barnes picks .. just get it over with and get supporting cast for BBQ

no deal for me

Weren't these the same guys angry about not trading Siakam for Hunter, AJ, and draft capital over the summer?

I'm sure they were also pissed about passing up 3 "first" round picks for OG.

If Siakam leaves, you've got $40M in cap space to make unbalanced trades or swing for someone like Nic Claxton. It's not the end of the world if SIakam leaves for "nothing."

But I'm happy for those guys. They get paid for awful opinions.

It would absolutely be a huge blow to the team if Pascal walks. That would mean our FO got zero assets for two All-Stars. Other FOs have been fired for way less.

Better than taking back pieces that don’t fit or salary that makes you have to trade picks on future years to get off it

[Jadoogar]

Idk why we don’t just trade for Jarace Walker.
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Likely because Indiana is not interested? Indiana would only be interested if he says that he's willing to resign (something he refused to do with the kings).

Warriors are probably more inclined to make a move for Siakam because they are more confident in retaining him in the summer.

If Siakam was on a longer contract, we would have had a bidding war. By letting him get this far, management has backed themselves into a corner. The only teams that will be willing to trade for Siakam will be the ones that are confident they can resign him (without giving him 5 years).

OKC and Indiana have the best packages in theory but they would need a firm commitment from Siakam which doesn't seem likely.
Warriors and Dallas have decent offers and they would be more confident in resigning him.

[PhilBlackson]

Idk why we don’t just trade for Jarace Walker.
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Likely because Indiana is not interested? Indiana would only be interested if he says that he's willing to resign (something he refused to do with the kings).

Warriors are probably more inclined to make a move for Siakam because they are more confident in retaining him in the summer.

If Siakam was on a longer contract, we would have had a bidding war. By letting him get this far, management has backed themselves into a corner. The only teams that will be willing to trade for Siakam will be the ones that are confident they can resign him (without giving him 5 years).

OKC and Indiana have the best packages in theory but they would need a firm commitment from Siakam which doesn't seem likely.
Warriors and Dallas have decent offers and they would be more confident in resigning him.

It’s already been reported multiple times that IND is interested AND confident they could re-sign him soooooo?!?

[Jadoogar]

Idk why we don’t just trade for Jarace Walker.
.

Likely because Indiana is not interested? Indiana would only be interested if he says that he's willing to resign (something he refused to do with the kings).

Warriors are probably more inclined to make a move for Siakam because they are more confident in retaining him in the summer.

If Siakam was on a longer contract, we would have had a bidding war. By letting him get this far, management has backed themselves into a corner. The only teams that will be willing to trade for Siakam will be the ones that are confident they can resign him (without giving him 5 years).

OKC and Indiana have the best packages in theory but they would need a firm commitment from Siakam which doesn't seem likely.
Warriors and Dallas have decent offers and they would be more confident in resigning him.

It’s already been reported multiple times that IND is interested AND confident they could re-sign him soooooo?!?

Please show this report. I'm sure indiana is interested, he would be a great fit. Where is the Pacers' confidence coming from?
Every report that comes out is saying that Siakam wants to test free agency.

If Pacers feel they can retain him, we need to make a deal.

[mademan]

hey where was the thread titled 6'9 vision failed?

can make it as soon as that pascal trade hits lol

Watch on YouTube

always liked him at arkansas

funny how he was getting DNP's all year and now they are clearly showcasing him

he's a better prospect than Kuminga by a mile. Shooter, smart and a system player

I would take Moody every time over Kuminga. I think Moody has an actual role as a potential starter on a winning team. Kuminga is the flash no substance player that you should always avoid. Cant shoot, mediocre defender, low BBIQ...keep him away from this team.

[Jerry Lucas]

Golden State’s take: Let’s start here: These teams have discussed Siakam in recent weeks. I’ve heard that on a more substantial level and saw Mike Dunleavy Jr. and Masai Ujiri in the tunnel pregame on Sunday night having a drawn-out conversation. So there’s something potentially there. I’d wager the Warriors view that proposal — Kuminga, two firsts and a valuable expiring salary — as too steep. Paul’s contract is useful for them because they’re trying to duck the second apron this summer and Siakam, if acquired, would presumably be ticketed as an expensive part of their future. — Anthony Slater

So basically Warriors want us to take Wiggins so they can easily stay under the 2nd tax apron after re-signing Siakam.

[PhilBlackson]

Weren't these the same guys angry about not trading Siakam for Hunter, AJ, and draft capital over the summer?

I'm sure they were also pissed about passing up 3 "first" round picks for OG.

If Siakam leaves, you've got $40M in cap space to make unbalanced trades or swing for someone like Nic Claxton. It's not the end of the world if SIakam leaves for "nothing."

But I'm happy for those guys. They get paid for awful opinions.

It would absolutely be a huge blow to the team if Pascal walks. That would mean our FO got zero assets for two All-Stars. Other FOs have been fired for way less.

Better than taking back pieces that don’t fit or salary that makes you have to trade picks on future years to get off it

Strongly disagree.

In no world is walking away with nothing better than something.

I’ll say first that I don’t believe for a second that out of 4-5 suitors (especially DET who likely only be willing to part with current players) that we can’t get at least one package that has a higher upside prospect…

But in an absolute worst case having several additional picks plus other rotation players that you could also likely flip for more later ones is better than him just walking away especially when we’ve never been FA destination. It’s why ppl think NYK and Utah can get involved in bigger deals down the line especially when there are future cap alterations that are apparently going to lead to teams needing to trade players away to avoid the different aprons.

Not to mention the very players we’ve traded or may still traded were ironically drafted in the 20s (OG - 20th, Pascal - 27th and heck IQ was 26th) lol so it’s crazy to say that it’s better to walk away with nothing when all those picks may net you the level of players back again.

[DreamTeam09]

Really don't see all the jarace walker hype, like what has he done so far? I'd rather moody than walker if the goal is to just move Pascal

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[gerrit4]

Likely because Indiana is not interested? Indiana would only be interested if he says that he's willing to resign (something he refused to do with the kings).

Warriors are probably more inclined to make a move for Siakam because they are more confident in retaining him in the summer.

If Siakam was on a longer contract, we would have had a bidding war. By letting him get this far, management has backed themselves into a corner. The only teams that will be willing to trade for Siakam will be the ones that are confident they can resign him (without giving him 5 years).

OKC and Indiana have the best packages in theory but they would need a firm commitment from Siakam which doesn't seem likely.
Warriors and Dallas have decent offers and they would be more confident in resigning him.

It’s already been reported multiple times that IND is interested AND confident they could re-sign him soooooo?!?

Please show this report. I'm sure indiana is interested, he would be a great fit. Where is the Pacers' confidence coming from?
Every report that comes out is saying that Siakam wants to test free agency.

If Pacers feel they can retain him, we need to make a deal.

I think this quote from Woj (which seemed to imply it was about Siakam or OG) is probably what they are referring to:

Haliburton's exciting, pass-first style of play is reportedly emboldening the Pacers as the NBA's trade season approaches, as they now have more confidence in their ability to retain any potential short-term rental they acquire.

"As the Pacers, you know that we are willing to risk giving up picks and assets because we believe we will be able to re-sign that player, that we're not gonna lose them in free agency," Wojnarowski said.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryantoporek/2023/12/10/nbas-inaugural-in-season-tournament-accomplished-its-mission-and-then-some/?sh=5acafa062bd9