Fake Trade Thread #5

[Diop]

Can we trade for Boban, I’m sure Houston want him around for Sengun but I was listening to him on Jake Johnson’s we’re here to help podcast and he is such a nice and wise man. He’d be a great mentor

[JMAC3]

I think backup center is a good "piece" in a deal back for a player we are already moving like Terry, Hayward, Miles etc....

Nets might be active in trade market, Dayron Sharpe might be a nice add to a trade for Terry. Sharpe, Dinwiddie and a first would be a good deal for us.

[JustBuzzin]

This off-season is setting up for us to let Bridges walk and throw crazy money at Klay Thompson. I know this franchise just got a funny feeling we are going to end up signing Klay lol.

[Rich4114]

This off-season is setting up for us to let Bridges walk and throw crazy money at Klay Thompson. I know this franchise just got a funny feeling we are going to end up signing Klay lol.

Klay Thompson might be cooked, that would be a bad idea

[JustBuzzin]

This off-season is setting up for us to let Bridges walk and throw crazy money at Klay Thompson. I know this franchise just got a funny feeling we are going to end up signing Klay lol.

Klay Thompson might be cooked, that would be a bad idea

Exactly it's a Hornets move. Sign a big name player past his prime and hope for the best.

[luciano-davidwesley]

Mensah, Bouknight and a 2nd for Bismack.

Memphis gets a couple bench prospects and we get a backup C for the rest of the year.

Why waste a second when the season is already lost and Biz is barely an NBA player anyway? I'd prefer giving Mensah a shot honestly unless we can find a young backup big.

[JDR720]

Mensah, Bouknight and a 2nd for Bismack.

Memphis gets a couple bench prospects and we get a backup C for the rest of the year.

Why waste a second when the season is already lost and Biz is barely an NBA player anyway? I'd prefer giving Mensah a shot honestly unless we can find a young backup big.

Biz is a solid backup for the rest of the season while Mark sits out with his back. And maybe we can re-sign him for next season since he's a solid veteran to have around and the fans like him a lot. We have other 2nd round picks besides our own, so it's not like we're giving up anything of real value. We have plenty of 2nd round projects anyway.

Mensah isn't worth anything right now and isn't useful for next season either, so I don't see an issue with dumping him.

[JMAC3]

Biz was cut, he is free.

[Skybox]

Checking in from ORL on Terry...

what's his price? I'm well aware of his shortcomings and his strengths and I think he might be a better fit in ORL than putting up bigger numbers in CHA. My favorite target is Simons - who is younger, longer, better 3pt shooter and, likelier to be more difficult to get away from POR. I see Rozier as a slightly lesser version for those reasons. Both are sub-par defenders by reputation. I don't really know their personalities or locker room vibe. ORL has a great young team chemistry and a beloved Coach who prioritizes defense...but HAS to see that ORL would benefit tremendously from a legit scoring threat in the backcourt who can open up the floor for Paolo & Franz to feast inside, freed from double and triple teams in the paint. ORL doesn't really need a traditional ball-pounding PG like CP3 because Paolo & Franz do a lot of the offensive initiation. Could Rozier recognize his role in a winning hierarchy and enjoy just taking what's given to him? He would see a LOT of open 3's if he's not trying to take over...does he have the BBIQ to accept that role and master it?

I'm not claiming to know anything about Rozier...the above is my theory from afar...how far off am I? What's the asking price?

Assuming he's not a jerk (that's what I'm asking)...
ORL sends: Wendell Carter, Gary Harris, DEN 25 frp
CHA sends: Terry Rozier, Nick Richards

Why for CHA: WCJ is an extremely versatile, young, intelligent big who could start at C or play next to Williams. He's a better player than Goga but, IMO, not what ORL needs between Paolo & Franz. He can rebound, defend, shoot 3's, start or finish PnR, pass...just a heady versatile player that could fit on nearly any team. I'd love to keep him in ORL - he's on one of the best deals in the NBA - but he's also possibly our most valuable trade chip to improve our backcourt. He would also eliminate the need for Richards, who probably can't play next to Williams to the same degree. Harris is a solid vet 3&D SG. He won't take over a game, but he won't make mistakes on either end. He's also an expiring deal- so CHA could check the fit and decide what's next for him. FRP is real, but not likely to be too high in the draft.

[JDR720]

I doubt we actually trade him, unless the team gets a high price (more than 1 1st and or a higher quality prospect). By all accounts, we view him as a core member of the team.

[HornetJail]

Checking in from ORL on Terry...

what's his price? I'm well aware of his shortcomings and his strengths and I think he might be a better fit in ORL than putting up bigger numbers in CHA. My favorite target is Simons - who is younger, longer, better 3pt shooter and, likelier to be more difficult to get away from POR. I see Rozier as a slightly lesser version for those reasons. Both are sub-par defenders by reputation. I don't really know their personalities or locker room vibe. ORL has a great young team chemistry and a beloved Coach who prioritizes defense...but HAS to see that ORL would benefit tremendously from a legit scoring threat in the backcourt who can open up the floor for Paolo & Franz to feast inside, freed from double and triple teams in the paint. ORL doesn't really need a traditional ball-pounding PG like CP3 because Paolo & Franz do a lot of the offensive initiation. Could Rozier recognize his role in a winning hierarchy and enjoy just taking what's given to him? He would see a LOT of open 3's if he's not trying to take over...does he have the BBIQ to accept that role and master it?

I'm not claiming to know anything about Rozier...the above is my theory from afar...how far off am I? What's the asking price?

Assuming he's not a jerk (that's what I'm asking)...
ORL sends: Wendell Carter, Gary Harris, DEN 25 frp
CHA sends: Terry Rozier, Nick Richards

Why for CHA: WCJ is an extremely versatile, young, intelligent big who could start at C or play next to Williams. He's a better player than Goga but, IMO, not what ORL needs between Paolo & Franz. He can rebound, defend, shoot 3's, start or finish PnR, pass...just a heady versatile player that could fit on nearly any team. I'd love to keep him in ORL - he's on one of the best deals in the NBA - but he's also possibly our most valuable trade chip to improve our backcourt. He would also eliminate the need for Richards, who probably can't play next to Williams to the same degree. Harris is a solid vet 3&D SG. He won't take over a game, but he won't make mistakes on either end. He's also an expiring deal- so CHA could check the fit and decide what's next for him. FRP is real, but not likely to be too high in the draft.

he's very much a Simons/Herro level player in the right situation where they're asked to play off the ball and just score. Rozier thrived in that role when it was given to him, then we tried to force him to play PG half his minutes for god knows what reason. Orlando could be an excellent destination for him if they're not actually looking for a lot of facilitation from the point guard spot.

What's the deal with Carter? His numbers are way down, are injuries already taking their toll on him?

[Skybox]

Checking in from ORL on Terry...

what's his price? I'm well aware of his shortcomings and his strengths and I think he might be a better fit in ORL than putting up bigger numbers in CHA. My favorite target is Simons - who is younger, longer, better 3pt shooter and, likelier to be more difficult to get away from POR. I see Rozier as a slightly lesser version for those reasons. Both are sub-par defenders by reputation. I don't really know their personalities or locker room vibe. ORL has a great young team chemistry and a beloved Coach who prioritizes defense...but HAS to see that ORL would benefit tremendously from a legit scoring threat in the backcourt who can open up the floor for Paolo & Franz to feast inside, freed from double and triple teams in the paint. ORL doesn't really need a traditional ball-pounding PG like CP3 because Paolo & Franz do a lot of the offensive initiation. Could Rozier recognize his role in a winning hierarchy and enjoy just taking what's given to him? He would see a LOT of open 3's if he's not trying to take over...does he have the BBIQ to accept that role and master it?

I'm not claiming to know anything about Rozier...the above is my theory from afar...how far off am I? What's the asking price?

Assuming he's not a jerk (that's what I'm asking)...
ORL sends: Wendell Carter, Gary Harris, DEN 25 frp
CHA sends: Terry Rozier, Nick Richards

Why for CHA: WCJ is an extremely versatile, young, intelligent big who could start at C or play next to Williams. He's a better player than Goga but, IMO, not what ORL needs between Paolo & Franz. He can rebound, defend, shoot 3's, start or finish PnR, pass...just a heady versatile player that could fit on nearly any team. I'd love to keep him in ORL - he's on one of the best deals in the NBA - but he's also possibly our most valuable trade chip to improve our backcourt. He would also eliminate the need for Richards, who probably can't play next to Williams to the same degree. Harris is a solid vet 3&D SG. He won't take over a game, but he won't make mistakes on either end. He's also an expiring deal- so CHA could check the fit and decide what's next for him. FRP is real, but not likely to be too high in the draft.

he's very much a Simons/Herro level player in the right situation where they're asked to play off the ball and just score. Rozier thrived in that role when it was given to him, then we tried to force him to play PG half his minutes for god knows what reason. Orlando could be an excellent destination for him if they're not actually looking for a lot of facilitation from the point guard spot.

What's the deal with Carter? His numbers are way down, are injuries already taking their toll on him?

WCJ was out (broken bone in finger...nothing chronic). While he was out, Goga was awesome and provided only what ORL needs at that spot (shot blocking, rebounding, physicality) at a higher level than WCJ can ...but, WCJ does a ton of other stuff (shoot from 3, pass, PnR, score in general) than Goga could ever do...just a matter of fit. WCJ is way more versatile - more than ORL needs. He's a really solid foundational starter, could play 4 or 5- I figure his best life is next to a simple brute like Ayton or Claxton or JJJ, or providing a more physical presence next to a Chet or Wemby or Mosely...I think you could reasonably add young fellow Dukie Williams to that equation without a lot of imagination...I'm just putting him out there because I think he's got market value more than value to ORL, due to our forwards' style of play and skillset...ignore this season, he's rusty and playing in confusing roles...he's a 12/10/3 guy with occasional 20pt or 15 rebounds potential. Solid PnR, solid positional defense (no highlights), able to bang with big guys.

[MPM]

On the surface, it's a fair(ish) trade if WCJ could stay healthy, which history suggests he can't.

I've seen a lot him (live in ORL and been to countless Magic games) and he's a player when healthy.

[HornetJail]

We do seem to need a big-minute backup C behind Mark.

Is Orlando confident enough in their immediate future to offer their own 1st with lotto protection instead of Denver's? or am I getting greedy?

[MPM]

Yeah, it feels close. As mentioned above, WCJ also shoots it from 3 at a good clip which would allow us to go 5-out at times or big with him alongside Mark. He'd look very good sitting in street clothes next to LaMelo and Cody - our on-paper playoff brigade.

This said, ideally, I'd like to keep Nick in this scenario, throw in Thor/McGowens, and tinker with picks to make it equitable.

[JMAC3]

Checking in from ORL on Terry...

what's his price? I'm well aware of his shortcomings and his strengths and I think he might be a better fit in ORL than putting up bigger numbers in CHA. My favorite target is Simons - who is younger, longer, better 3pt shooter and, likelier to be more difficult to get away from POR. I see Rozier as a slightly lesser version for those reasons. Both are sub-par defenders by reputation. I don't really know their personalities or locker room vibe. ORL has a great young team chemistry and a beloved Coach who prioritizes defense...but HAS to see that ORL would benefit tremendously from a legit scoring threat in the backcourt who can open up the floor for Paolo & Franz to feast inside, freed from double and triple teams in the paint. ORL doesn't really need a traditional ball-pounding PG like CP3 because Paolo & Franz do a lot of the offensive initiation. Could Rozier recognize his role in a winning hierarchy and enjoy just taking what's given to him? He would see a LOT of open 3's if he's not trying to take over...does he have the BBIQ to accept that role and master it?

I'm not claiming to know anything about Rozier...the above is my theory from afar...how far off am I? What's the asking price?

Assuming he's not a jerk (that's what I'm asking)...
ORL sends: Wendell Carter, Gary Harris, DEN 25 frp
CHA sends: Terry Rozier, Nick Richards

Why for CHA: WCJ is an extremely versatile, young, intelligent big who could start at C or play next to Williams. He's a better player than Goga but, IMO, not what ORL needs between Paolo & Franz. He can rebound, defend, shoot 3's, start or finish PnR, pass...just a heady versatile player that could fit on nearly any team. I'd love to keep him in ORL - he's on one of the best deals in the NBA - but he's also possibly our most valuable trade chip to improve our backcourt. He would also eliminate the need for Richards, who probably can't play next to Williams to the same degree. Harris is a solid vet 3&D SG. He won't take over a game, but he won't make mistakes on either end. He's also an expiring deal- so CHA could check the fit and decide what's next for him. FRP is real, but not likely to be too high in the draft.

I would probably do this deal. I don't think WCJ and Mark can play together, but at least WCJ gives us a bit of a stretch 5 look we currently lack. The first isn't great but it is whatever and you can count on it conveying from Denver. I like Harris as a guy that we could resign on a 1 year deal if things work.

Terry is a really good fit on Orlando. Can be the 2nd or 3rd option depending on what type of night Paolo/Wagner are having and being able to play defensive minded guards like Suggs and Black next to him at all times will hide his defensive failures to some degree.

[amcoolio]

What are the odds that we do absolutely nothing? Or just a small trade to add bench depth? I'd say 80%+

I just have no faith in this front office to pull off an OG-like deal. We'll add Xavier Tillman, the board will get excited for a few weeks, and then go on to finish with 28 wins

[JDR720]

Just looking at this injury history, I don't think I'd want WCJ. The most games he's ever played is 62. We certainly don't need more injury problems. Also seems like a bigger version of PJ.

I'd rather do something like Terry + Richards for Harris, Moritiz and a couple 1sts.

[HornetJail]

What are the odds that we do absolutely nothing? Or just a small trade to add bench depth? I'd say 80%+

I just have no faith in this front office to pull off an OG-like deal. We'll add Xavier Tillman, the board will get excited for a few weeks, and then go on to finish with 28 wins

28 wins feels like an actual accomplishment. we'd have to go .500 or better once LaMelo and Mark are back, assuming we continue to suck ass for the next couple weeks and only beat DET and SAS prior to their return.

[JDR720]

We'd be lucky to get 18 wins at this rate.