ImageImageImageImage

Fultz Prediction

Moderators: Def Swami, Howard Mass, ChosenSavior, UCFJayBird, UCF, Knightro

User avatar
VFX
RealGM
Posts: 18,787
And1: 16,487
Joined: May 30, 2016

Re: Fultz Prediction 

Post#41 » by VFX » Thu Jan 11, 2024 3:10 pm

Skybox wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Quick fix- Terry Rozier.
Gets assists, can shoot, can score, can play defense. Can play off and on ball.

Guy averages 24 ppg ,7 apg on positive BPM ( 2,7) and 58% TS. But Hornets suck so nobody cares, he is 29 so he is in his prime.


I'd be excited about that although not my first choice...most on the trade boards put his defense up there (down there?) with Simons'. In both cases, the numbers would drop, dummies would not recognize that's situational and expected - assuming efficiency and winning went up. Both Simons and Rozier actually have efficient scoring numbers, considering their losing situations and the way they're probably being defended. Both score from inside and out, but I'd say Simons is the more elite 3pt shooter.

Rozier is older, but not too old (29 to Simons' 24). Simons is a truly elite athlete-slam dunk champ. Rozier is smaller (6'1 w/a 6'8 wingspan to Simons' 6'3 w/ a 6'9 wingspan). Their remaining contracts are similar....Who's available? Respective cost to get them? and, most significantly, what's their mindset/BBIQ/vision of their role?

It could simply be a function of personality - CJ McCollum is an articulate, intelligent natural leader who flourished when he was "freed" from POR's shadow. I don't really have any insights about how they'd each fit with our guys' excellent chemistry. If the asking price for Simons is too high...and CHA had Rozier available- would make sense to look at it.


I’d be ok with Rozier or Jones on a not super long term deal. I like the idea of Brogdon, but he is injured as much as guys already on this roster.

Back to the OP…

Fultz should be gone by seasons end. One of my biggest pet peeves of this org is how everyone is treated like “family” regardless of what they contribute. I don’t like the idea of handing dudes contracts (regardless of size) based on the idea that they are “nice” people or what they provided in the past rather than present. That’s not how the league operates with successful teams.
Skybox
RealGM
Posts: 18,718
And1: 8,594
Joined: Jan 21, 2017
 

Re: Fultz Prediction 

Post#42 » by Skybox » Thu Jan 11, 2024 5:41 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
Skybox wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Quick fix- Terry Rozier.
Gets assists, can shoot, can score, can play defense. Can play off and on ball.

Guy averages 24 ppg ,7 apg on positive BPM ( 2,7) and 58% TS. But Hornets suck so nobody cares, he is 29 so he is in his prime.


I'd be excited about that although not my first choice...most on the trade boards put his defense up there (down there?) with Simons'. In both cases, the numbers would drop, dummies would not recognize that's situational and expected - assuming efficiency and winning went up. Both Simons and Rozier actually have efficient scoring numbers, considering their losing situations and the way they're probably being defended. Both score from inside and out, but I'd say Simons is the more elite 3pt shooter.

Rozier is older, but not too old (29 to Simons' 24). Simons is a truly elite athlete-slam dunk champ. Rozier is smaller (6'1 w/a 6'8 wingspan to Simons' 6'3 w/ a 6'9 wingspan). Their remaining contracts are similar....Who's available? Respective cost to get them? and, most significantly, what's their mindset/BBIQ/vision of their role?

It could simply be a function of personality - CJ McCollum is an articulate, intelligent natural leader who flourished when he was "freed" from POR's shadow. I don't really have any insights about how they'd each fit with our guys' excellent chemistry. If the asking price for Simons is too high...and CHA had Rozier available- would make sense to look at it.


I’d be ok with Rozier or Jones on a not super long term deal. I like the idea of Brogdon, but he is injured as much as guys already on this roster.

Back to the OP…

Fultz should be gone by seasons end. One of my biggest pet peeves of this org is how everyone is treated like “family” regardless of what they contribute. I don’t like the idea of handing dudes contracts (regardless of size) based on the idea that they are “nice” people or what they provided in the past rather than present. That’s not how the league operates with successful teams.


Agreed...back to the OP...but

just FYI...Rozier has 2 more years at just about $25 per...that's why he might come for a lower price, IMO. Basically same $$ commitment as Simons, but older, smaller
User avatar
Audi
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,968
And1: 3,250
Joined: May 30, 2014
 

Re: Fultz Prediction 

Post#43 » by Audi » Thu Jan 11, 2024 5:48 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
Skybox wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Quick fix- Terry Rozier.
Gets assists, can shoot, can score, can play defense. Can play off and on ball.

Guy averages 24 ppg ,7 apg on positive BPM ( 2,7) and 58% TS. But Hornets suck so nobody cares, he is 29 so he is in his prime.


I'd be excited about that although not my first choice...most on the trade boards put his defense up there (down there?) with Simons'. In both cases, the numbers would drop, dummies would not recognize that's situational and expected - assuming efficiency and winning went up. Both Simons and Rozier actually have efficient scoring numbers, considering their losing situations and the way they're probably being defended. Both score from inside and out, but I'd say Simons is the more elite 3pt shooter.

Rozier is older, but not too old (29 to Simons' 24). Simons is a truly elite athlete-slam dunk champ. Rozier is smaller (6'1 w/a 6'8 wingspan to Simons' 6'3 w/ a 6'9 wingspan). Their remaining contracts are similar....Who's available? Respective cost to get them? and, most significantly, what's their mindset/BBIQ/vision of their role?

It could simply be a function of personality - CJ McCollum is an articulate, intelligent natural leader who flourished when he was "freed" from POR's shadow. I don't really have any insights about how they'd each fit with our guys' excellent chemistry. If the asking price for Simons is too high...and CHA had Rozier available- would make sense to look at it.


I’d be ok with Rozier or Jones on a not super long term deal. I like the idea of Brogdon, but he is injured as much as guys already on this roster.

Back to the OP…

Fultz should be gone by seasons end. One of my biggest pet peeves of this org is how everyone is treated like “family” regardless of what they contribute. I don’t like the idea of handing dudes contracts (regardless of size) based on the idea that they are “nice” people or what they provided in the past rather than present. That’s not how the league operates with successful teams.


Just out of curiosity - who has our FO handed one of those “nice guy/fam” contracts to?
Abra Cadabra, Razzmatazz, Slam-Dunk Sesame, Hocus Pocus, Alacazam, Gonna set the spirit free
Keeping The Original Orlando Magic Theme Song Alive since 2009
User avatar
Knightro
Forum Mod - Magic
Forum Mod - Magic
Posts: 28,795
And1: 29,839
Joined: Dec 18, 2010
Location: Jersey
 

Re: Fultz Prediction 

Post#44 » by Knightro » Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:16 pm

Prediction: Fultz starts at PG tomorrow.
BCS
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,960
And1: 709
Joined: Feb 15, 2012
   

Re: Fultz Prediction 

Post#45 » by BCS » Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:34 pm

Knightro wrote:Prediction: Fultz starts at PG tomorrow.
Lol...not too far off based, I did see he was playing with the starters during practice. Him, Suggs, Caleb, Paolo & Goga.

But then again, maybe it is nothing, just so matchups make sense.

Sent from my SM-A716U using RealGM mobile app
zaymon
Head Coach
Posts: 6,154
And1: 3,460
Joined: Jul 01, 2015
   

Re: Fultz Prediction 

Post#46 » by zaymon » Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:38 pm

Knightro wrote:Prediction: Fultz starts at PG tomorrow.


I hope its not true. What message does it send ? It would be joke not accountability.
My money is on Banchero going number 1 !
User avatar
VFX
RealGM
Posts: 18,787
And1: 16,487
Joined: May 30, 2016

Re: Fultz Prediction 

Post#47 » by VFX » Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:48 pm

Audi wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
Skybox wrote:
I'd be excited about that although not my first choice...most on the trade boards put his defense up there (down there?) with Simons'. In both cases, the numbers would drop, dummies would not recognize that's situational and expected - assuming efficiency and winning went up. Both Simons and Rozier actually have efficient scoring numbers, considering their losing situations and the way they're probably being defended. Both score from inside and out, but I'd say Simons is the more elite 3pt shooter.

Rozier is older, but not too old (29 to Simons' 24). Simons is a truly elite athlete-slam dunk champ. Rozier is smaller (6'1 w/a 6'8 wingspan to Simons' 6'3 w/ a 6'9 wingspan). Their remaining contracts are similar....Who's available? Respective cost to get them? and, most significantly, what's their mindset/BBIQ/vision of their role?

It could simply be a function of personality - CJ McCollum is an articulate, intelligent natural leader who flourished when he was "freed" from POR's shadow. I don't really have any insights about how they'd each fit with our guys' excellent chemistry. If the asking price for Simons is too high...and CHA had Rozier available- would make sense to look at it.


I’d be ok with Rozier or Jones on a not super long term deal. I like the idea of Brogdon, but he is injured as much as guys already on this roster.

Back to the OP…

Fultz should be gone by seasons end. One of my biggest pet peeves of this org is how everyone is treated like “family” regardless of what they contribute. I don’t like the idea of handing dudes contracts (regardless of size) based on the idea that they are “nice” people or what they provided in the past rather than present. That’s not how the league operates with successful teams.


Just out of curiosity - who has our FO handed one of those “nice guy/fam” contracts to?


Hedo coming back after Toronto/Phoenix.
Vince Carter to a certain extent.
A lot of other signings that were way above market value for fringe role players.

I view Isaac as that guy now to a certain extent. He matches ownerships values and that’s perfectly fine… I just don’t see players getting that kind of leash on the level of productivity he’s had in his career. Does management keep around Isaac if he wasn’t who he was personally? Doubtful.
User avatar
KillMonger
RealGM
Posts: 20,839
And1: 11,290
Joined: Oct 13, 2012
     

Re: Fultz Prediction 

Post#48 » by KillMonger » Thu Jan 11, 2024 7:00 pm

Read on Twitter

stop-gap option?
Image
User avatar
thelead
RealGM
Posts: 47,154
And1: 30,625
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
 

Re: Fultz Prediction 

Post#49 » by thelead » Thu Jan 11, 2024 7:20 pm

KillMonger wrote:
Read on Twitter

stop-gap option?

He is, and has been, THE move for this timid FO.
Image
User avatar
MartinsIzAfraud
Head Coach
Posts: 6,466
And1: 4,856
Joined: Mar 07, 2017
Location: Work
   

Re: Fultz Prediction 

Post#50 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Thu Jan 11, 2024 7:53 pm

KillMonger wrote:
Read on Twitter

stop-gap option?

ohhh lord SIX TO MIGNIGHT

PLEASE MAGIC FO DO THE DEED
A scoring guard.. never heard of one. :roll:
User avatar
JF5
RealGM
Posts: 12,312
And1: 4,219
Joined: Jul 23, 2010
Location: Disney World, Florida

Re: Fultz Prediction 

Post#51 » by JF5 » Thu Jan 11, 2024 8:19 pm

thelead wrote:
KillMonger wrote:
Read on Twitter

stop-gap option?

He is, and has been, THE move for this timid FO.


The FO isn't a "stop-gap" front office. Also, this team isn't contending for a title yet to make that sort of move.

They're out of a rebuilding situation with flexibility/capital. They just need to make the playoffs and go from there. If they trade for somebody at the deadline best believe they'll resign that person for a 3-4 year deal.
Skybox
RealGM
Posts: 18,718
And1: 8,594
Joined: Jan 21, 2017
 

Re: Fultz Prediction 

Post#52 » by Skybox » Thu Jan 11, 2024 8:40 pm

KillMonger wrote:
Read on Twitter

stop-gap option?


or even more...he's rock solid but I don't know how high he raises the bar for the team.

He shoots 43% from 3 this year, but he only takes 3.7 attempts, so it might be some "Gary Harris syndrome", meaning he's picky rather than aggressive...but maybe he'll see a lot more daylight with this team.

I don't know Tyus's defensive rep, but he's small. Just super high BBIQ. He'll be in demand and he'll get paid. Presently making $14.5...well worth it, but how high do we fly?

If it's Fultz + 2 srps...ALL DAY

...but I don't know if that gets it done
Ugly0598
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,811
And1: 3,198
Joined: Mar 21, 2011
     

Re: Fultz Prediction 

Post#53 » by Ugly0598 » Thu Jan 11, 2024 8:46 pm

Did Fultz forget how to shoot again? Has been struggling to put the ball in the ocean mightily.
User avatar
eyriq
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 34,501
And1: 9,781
Joined: Mar 25, 2008
Location: #TheLab
Contact:
 

Re: Fultz Prediction 

Post#54 » by eyriq » Thu Jan 11, 2024 8:52 pm

I'm expecting him to start tomorrow
Skybox
RealGM
Posts: 18,718
And1: 8,594
Joined: Jan 21, 2017
 

Re: Fultz Prediction 

Post#55 » by Skybox » Thu Jan 11, 2024 9:06 pm

Fultz starts tomorrow. Puts up 30, including 3 of the "Top 10" highlights...trade him the next day before he disintegrates
User avatar
thelead
RealGM
Posts: 47,154
And1: 30,625
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
 

Re: Fultz Prediction 

Post#56 » by thelead » Thu Jan 11, 2024 10:39 pm

JF5 wrote:
thelead wrote:
KillMonger wrote:
Read on Twitter

stop-gap option?

He is, and has been, THE move for this timid FO.


The FO isn't a "stop-gap" front office. Also, this team isn't contending for a title yet to make that sort of move.

They're out of a rebuilding situation with flexibility/capital. They just need to make the playoffs and go from there. If they trade for somebody at the deadline best believe they'll resign that person for a 3-4 year deal.

I don't view Tyus as a stop-gap. I see him as our starter for the next ~year or so until AB is ready. He then slides into Cole's role. Hardly, stop-gap.
Image
p0peye
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,852
And1: 3,364
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
 

Re: Fultz Prediction 

Post#57 » by p0peye » Thu Jan 11, 2024 11:25 pm

eyriq wrote:I'm expecting him to start tomorrow


I voted him for All Star entire past week.
User avatar
eyriq
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 34,501
And1: 9,781
Joined: Mar 25, 2008
Location: #TheLab
Contact:
 

Re: Fultz Prediction 

Post#58 » by eyriq » Thu Jan 11, 2024 11:45 pm

p0peye wrote:
eyriq wrote:I'm expecting him to start tomorrow


I voted him for All Star entire past week.
Impressed you found him
User avatar
fendilim
RealGM
Posts: 31,940
And1: 5,505
Joined: Jun 11, 2002
Location: 孫悟空, 时间太?!

Re: Fultz Prediction 

Post#59 » by fendilim » Fri Jan 12, 2024 12:08 am

MagicMatic wrote:
Skybox wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Quick fix- Terry Rozier.
Gets assists, can shoot, can score, can play defense. Can play off and on ball.

Guy averages 24 ppg ,7 apg on positive BPM ( 2,7) and 58% TS. But Hornets suck so nobody cares, he is 29 so he is in his prime.


I'd be excited about that although not my first choice...most on the trade boards put his defense up there (down there?) with Simons'. In both cases, the numbers would drop, dummies would not recognize that's situational and expected - assuming efficiency and winning went up. Both Simons and Rozier actually have efficient scoring numbers, considering their losing situations and the way they're probably being defended. Both score from inside and out, but I'd say Simons is the more elite 3pt shooter.

Rozier is older, but not too old (29 to Simons' 24). Simons is a truly elite athlete-slam dunk champ. Rozier is smaller (6'1 w/a 6'8 wingspan to Simons' 6'3 w/ a 6'9 wingspan). Their remaining contracts are similar....Who's available? Respective cost to get them? and, most significantly, what's their mindset/BBIQ/vision of their role?

It could simply be a function of personality - CJ McCollum is an articulate, intelligent natural leader who flourished when he was "freed" from POR's shadow. I don't really have any insights about how they'd each fit with our guys' excellent chemistry. If the asking price for Simons is too high...and CHA had Rozier available- would make sense to look at it.


I’d be ok with Rozier or Jones on a not super long term deal. I like the idea of Brogdon, but he is injured as much as guys already on this roster.

Back to the OP…

Fultz should be gone by seasons end. One of my biggest pet peeves of this org is how everyone is treated like “family” regardless of what they contribute. I don’t like the idea of handing dudes contracts (regardless of size) based on the idea that they are “nice” people or what they provided in the past rather than present. That’s not how the league operates with successful teams.

Treating them as family, for me, is just a way of strategizing to get them to sign cheaper contracts. It makes the players feel like they are home etc, so they’ll want to stay here. They might have studied we have a hard time keeping players.

At the end of the day, players are still product for entertainment.
Image
Skybox
RealGM
Posts: 18,718
And1: 8,594
Joined: Jan 21, 2017
 

Re: Fultz Prediction 

Post#60 » by Skybox » Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:56 am

eyriq wrote:
p0peye wrote:
eyriq wrote:I'm expecting him to start tomorrow


I voted him for All Star entire past week.
Impressed you found him


write in...probably crayon

Return to Orlando Magic