Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 2.0

[twix2500]

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Get Wiggins

PG: Butler
SG: Herro
SF: Jaquez
PF: Wiggins
Ce: Adebayo

I get what you're staying but this may not be a normal slump, if you remember, he missed a bunch of games last year because of personal reasons and now he's just not playing well which may come from those personal issues although I think Miami's environment could help him separate the off-court issues if that's the main problem.

Also... Wiggins has no problem with Butler, in fact I think they're pretty friendly, now Wiggins' brother, that's a different story and of course Towns and Butler hate each other.

Matin and Duncan salary fits perfectly for Wiggins.

Martin and Duncan would be a great fit in Golden State.

[DBurks2818]

We can’t trade the 2024 pick. Will have to be 2028. I’m not opposed what so ever to deal a top 20 protected first for the chance of having Jones here and locking him up to an extension as our PG of the future. We won’t be going into next year trying to bargain bin patchwork the PG spot and can draft a young PG to bridge with Jones.

I think the 2024 pick can be traded via an amended agreement with OKC.

Also, apparently Heat own their own 2nd rounder this year too? If it is between 31-50 at least. Is this accurate?

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/team

We only own a 2026 2nd rounder from LAL. I’m assuming that could be used to coax OKC into lifting protections on 2025 and taking the 2026 pick unprotected. This will allow us to trade 2024,2028, and 2030

Yeah exactly. As it stands now, the Heat would also have both their 1st and 2nd rounders in the 2024 draft, but most likely wouldn't be able to do anything until draft night. If the season ends in a disappointment, then I could see them both sent out for a star (along with the 2026 LAL 2nd Rounder) on that very night. But we'll see!

[DBurks2818]

Get Wiggins

PG: Butler
SG: Herro
SF: Jaquez
PF: Wiggins
Ce: Adebayo

I get what you're staying but this may not be a normal slump, if you remember, he missed a bunch of games last year because of personal reasons and now he's just not playing well which may come from those personal issues although I think Miami's environment could help him separate the off-court issues if that's the main problem.

Also... Wiggins has no problem with Butler, in fact I think they're pretty friendly, now Wiggins' brother, that's a different story and of course Towns and Butler hate each other.

Matin and Duncan salary fits perfectly for Wiggins.

Martin and Duncan would be a great fit in Golden State.

Seems like a significant downgrade for the Heat. Have you compared the stats of the 3 this season and their salaries? Is GSW sending a pick back in that scenario?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Hell no to Wiggins lol

[twix2500]

I get what you're staying but this may not be a normal slump, if you remember, he missed a bunch of games last year because of personal reasons and now he's just not playing well which may come from those personal issues although I think Miami's environment could help him separate the off-court issues if that's the main problem.

Also... Wiggins has no problem with Butler, in fact I think they're pretty friendly, now Wiggins' brother, that's a different story and of course Towns and Butler hate each other.

Matin and Duncan salary fits perfectly for Wiggins.

Martin and Duncan would be a great fit in Golden State.

Seems like a significant downgrade for the Heat. Have you compared the stats of the 3 this season and their salaries? Is GSW sending a pick back in that scenario?

Wiggins has proven himself on the biggest stage of the NBA finals. Buy Low stop trying to buy high, and sell high

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Spurs apparently interested in getting Murray back. Think if the Hawks get their picks back they would probably prefer trading him back there then to the Heat.

[IceColdCubano]

When are we expecting trades to start going down? after the 15th of January seems like a bunch of guys have that date where there eligible to be traded. Or perhaps most likely closer to the February Trade deadline.

[MettaWorldPanda]

When are we expecting trades to start going down? after the 15th of December seems like a bunch of guys have that date where there eligible to be traded. Or perhaps most likely closer to the February Trade deadline.

We have to wait till Jan 21st in order to attach and dump Dru Smith’s contract. 1.8 in dead money is costing Micky close to 4 mil in taxes and can’t sign another player

[IceColdCubano]

When are we expecting trades to start going down? after the 15th of December seems like a bunch of guys have that date where there eligible to be traded. Or perhaps most likely closer to the February Trade deadline.

We have to wait till Jan 21st in order to attach and dump Dru Smith’s contract. 1.8 in dead money is costing Micky close to 4 mil in taxes and can’t sign another player

Corrected my previous comment mean to say January 15th, but yeah for us is the 21th, However I don't think well trade Dru Smith unless we attach a second round pick.

[AirP.]

Matin and Duncan salary fits perfectly for Wiggins.

Martin and Duncan would be a great fit in Golden State.

Seems like a significant downgrade for the Heat. Have you compared the stats of the 3 this season and their salaries? Is GSW sending a pick back in that scenario?

Wiggins has proven himself on the biggest stage of the NBA finals. Buy Low stop trying to buy high, and sell high

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What I learned from watching 2 years of Minnesota Wiggins is that when he's focused he does very well, when he's not focused it's a ton of problems, just that mentality changes his overall performance. If you can get him focused you got a good player, if not you better not have him on the court. For instance, here Wiggins is in Minnesota, he's not talking to the ref nor even looking at him, he's staring at something in the stands while his man goes behind him for an easy layup. This ROUTINELY happened and I don't think Spoelstra would stand for it, Thibodeau was probably told to deal with it because the owner took a hands on approach which is why they missed the playoffs 14 straight years.

Spoiler:

The Golden State trade woke him up, the vets there got onto him whereas he was one of the 2 golden children in Minnesota so maybe another trade would wake him up, but I have my doubts this time, it worked the first time, he's had too much success and too big of contracts for a simple trade to wake him up now. It could work and it could be worth taking a chance with, it just may take some effort behind the scenes. Buying low is what this franchise with Spoelstra as the coach should be doing!

[twix2500]

Seems like a significant downgrade for the Heat. Have you compared the stats of the 3 this season and their salaries? Is GSW sending a pick back in that scenario?

Wiggins has proven himself on the biggest stage of the NBA finals. Buy Low stop trying to buy high, and sell high

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What I learned from watching 2 years of Minnesota Wiggins is that when he's focused he does very well, when he's not focused it's a ton of problems, just that mentality changes his overall performance. If you can get him focused you got a good player, if not you better not have him on the court. For instance, here Wiggins is in Minnesota, he's not talking to the ref nor even looking at him, he's staring at something in the stands while his man goes behind him for an easy layup. This ROUTINELY happened and I don't think Spoelstra would stand for it, Thibodeau was probably told to deal with it because the owner took a hands on approach which is why they missed the playoffs 14 straight years.

Spoiler:

The Golden State trade woke him up, the vets there got onto him whereas he was one of the 2 golden children in Minnesota so maybe another trade would wake him up, but I have my doubts this time, it worked the first time, he's had too much success and too big of contracts for a simple trade to wake him up now. It could work and it could be worth taking a chance with, it just may take some effort behind the scenes. Buying low is what this franchise with Spoelstra as the coach should be doing!

I trust Spo and Riley.

This is how Spo uses the power forward

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Spo press with the power forward. Unlike Tucker and Martin who are e 6'5. Wiggins is 6'8 1/2, so when he switches with Bam his size can be effective vs bigs. Wiggins is a better offensive talent

[wadenation305]

Some people never learn. Wiggins...... Really? The dude who from the get had questions about his motor and actual desire to be better? The same dude that Jimmy almost devoured on a platter while being his teammate because of his work ethic and determination? No please

[twix2500]

I'm not saying Wiggina as the final only move but trading Duncan Martin for him (I'm not debating on sweeteners just the core of the trade) this is what you would be working with

PG: Lowry - Richardson
SG: Herro - Cain/Swider
SF: Butler - Jaquez
PF: Wiggins - Jovic/Highsmith
Ce: Adebayo - Love - Bryant - Robinson

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I'm not saying Wiggina as the final only move but trading Duncan Martin for him (I'm not debating on sweeteners just the core of the trade) this is what you would be working with

PG: Lowry - Richardson
SG: Herro - Cain/Swider
SF: Butler - Jaquez
PF: Wiggins - Jovic/Highsmith
Ce: Adebayo - Love - Bryant - Robinson

Trade whore

[AirP.]

Some people never learn. Wiggins...... Really? The dude who from the get had questions about his motor and actual desire to be better? The same dude that Jimmy almost devoured on a platter while being his teammate because of his work ethic and determination? No please

No, Butler liked and still likes Wiggins, has a good relationship with him, his issues were almost only about Towns but the media created the Butler and Thibs vs the young guys narrative, the only problem I know of Butler having with Wiggins was that if he put in even more effort he could be great, now Wiggins' brother didn't like Butler and had a post about Butler when he left for whatever reason, maybe because he took the spotlight off Andrew?

Here's Butler's quote about Wiggins that people thought it ment he didn't like Wiggins... this is about who is the most talented player when Butler was in Minnesota, may have made Towns a little bit angry.

“Who, me? Hell no, Wigs is. Wigs is the most talented by far. I see him do things and I'm like wow, like how? The crazy part is that was at 40 percent. Just think if you're 80 percent or what if you just go as hard as you can, 100? Wigs is easily the most talented person on this team.”

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[twix2500]

I'm not saying Wiggina as the final only move but trading Duncan Martin for him (I'm not debating on sweeteners just the core of the trade) this is what you would be working with

PG: Lowry - Richardson
SG: Herro - Cain/Swider
SF: Butler - Jaquez
PF: Wiggins - Jovic/Highsmith
Ce: Adebayo - Love - Bryant - Robinson

Trade whore

yes you are. I see you been taking a break soliciting Twitter fantasy trades. Or are on your onlyfans account buying other people Twitter Fantasy trades

[RexBoyWonder]

Heat Final Form :

Bam
Jovic
Jimmy
JJJ
Herro

Supersized team with elite length, great passing, great getting to the line, good shooting, good enough defense.

Great starting 5 that matches up well against Milwaukee and Boston. And then you throw in Highsmith, Caleb, JRich, KLove, Lowry, Robinson, etc. and you have a solid 10-11 man rotation.

A few things I like bout this starting 5 :

1. 4 young players that are hungry and energetic.

2. 4 home grown players we picked and developed.

3. Very good size AT EVERY POSITION - big advantage : Herro is big for a PG, JJJ is big for a SG, Jimmy is a big SF, Jovic is a huge PF, Bam is the only undersized player but has the mobility advantage.

4. well balanced - Bam and Jimmy score inside, Herro from outside, JJJ and Jovic are opportunistic.

5. Everyone can score, drive and pass. This can create a great flowing type offense with lots of triggers, ball movement and well balanced scoring. Herro will be more of a scorer because he's surrounded by playmakers, which limits his biggest weakness.


This is the time to give them reps together, I really hope Jimmy plays next game. Except for Herro that lineup has unusually high BB IQ and natural BB instincts, If we give these 5 some games together they'll mesh very quickly IMO.

[Flash4thewin]

Get Wiggins

PG: Butler
SG: Herro
SF: Jaquez
PF: Wiggins
Ce: Adebayo

I get what you're staying but this may not be a normal slump, if you remember, he missed a bunch of games last year because of personal reasons and now he's just not playing well which may come from those personal issues although I think Miami's environment could help him separate the off-court issues if that's the main problem.

Also... Wiggins has no problem with Butler, in fact I think they're pretty friendly, now Wiggins' brother, that's a different story and of course Towns and Butler hate each other.

Matin and Duncan salary fits perfectly for Wiggins.

Martin and Duncan would be a great fit in Golden State.

Doesn't make much sense for the Warriors. It would have to be Lowry + picks for Wiggins. Then they can use CP3 and Lowry and picks to go after a star player with over 60 mil in expiring. Conversely we need Duncan for his shooting and Martin for his playoff experience but again the tax bill will be huge so it's not likely Mickey signs off on it.

[RexBoyWonder]

About our second round pick for the 2024 draft :

Miami Heat: Possibly traded to Hawks or Knicks.
The Hawks would receive this pick if it lands between 51-55; the Knicks would receive it if it lands between 56-59; the Heat would keep it if it lands in the top 50. If the Heat keep the pick, their obligations to the Hawks and Knicks would be extinguished.

We're probably keeping the pick, so could offer 2 SRP in a trade.

[twix2500]

I get what you're staying but this may not be a normal slump, if you remember, he missed a bunch of games last year because of personal reasons and now he's just not playing well which may come from those personal issues although I think Miami's environment could help him separate the off-court issues if that's the main problem.

Also... Wiggins has no problem with Butler, in fact I think they're pretty friendly, now Wiggins' brother, that's a different story and of course Towns and Butler hate each other.

Matin and Duncan salary fits perfectly for Wiggins.

Martin and Duncan would be a great fit in Golden State.

Doesn't make much sense for the Warriors. It would have to be Lowry + picks for Wiggins. Then they can use CP3 and Lowry and picks to go after a star player with over 60 mil in expiring. Conversely we need Duncan for his shooting and Martin for his playoff experience but again the tax bill will be huge so it's not likely Mickey signs off on it.

From your explanation it actually makes more sense for the Warriors. If the Warriors are gonna gut the team for a star then getting depth like Duncan and Martin makes sense plus they fit their system

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