Warriors Have Interest In Pascal Siakam

[RealGM Wiretap]

The Golden State Warriors have a level of interest in trading for Pascal Siakam, according to Shams Charania of Run It Back.

"The Warriors have a level of interest in Pascal Siakam, I'm told. But right now, they need to figure out internally.

"Draymond Green is on his way back, see how he looks with Andrew Wiggins and Jonathan Kuminga and this group ... so right now there's going to be a little bit of a patient approach from them," said Charania.

Green is expected to be back sometime during the team's upcoming four-game road trip. 

It has been reported that Siakam prefers to become a free agent this summer if he's not offered a max contract. 

Via Shams Charania/Run It Back

[Oncloud9]

GSW has nothing to offer that makes sense for the Raps. Kaminga is another limited upside Precious Achuiwa whom the Raps traded away. Moody will be nothing more than a Kuzma. Expirings like injured CP13 or Wiggins .... don't fit ... dont need. Draft picks 5 and 7 years out.... too long to wait.

GSW needs to talk Ainge into that limited pile of crap for Markkenan/Clarkson to send to the Raps. That said, If Ainge was willing it would make more sense for GSW to take Markkenan and Clarkson instead of Siakam and I think Siakam is underrated across the league.

Masai has been pretty consistent ... young asset has to be in the Shaedon Sharpe, Ben Mathurin, Jalen Johnson or Jalen Williams level talent to add to the BBQ core. Masai isn't willing to wait 10 years to maybe someday get an all star of Siakams level in some future draft of magic beans.

[Jester_]

GSW has nothing to offer that makes sense for the Raps. Kaminga is another limited upside Precious Achuiwa whom the Raps traded away. Moody will be nothing more than a Kuzma. Expirings like injured CP13 or Wiggins .... don't fit ... dont need. Draft picks 5 and 7 years out.... too long to wait.

GSW needs to talk Ainge into that limited pile of crap for Markkenan/Clarkson to send to the Raps. That said, If Ainge was willing it would make more sense for GSW to take Markkenan and Clarkson instead of Siakam and I think Siakam is underrated across the league.

Masai has been pretty consistent ... young asset has to be in the Shaedon Sharpe, Ben Mathurin, Jalen Johnson or Jalen Williams level talent to add to the BBQ core. Masai isn't willing to wait 10 years to maybe someday get an all star of Siakams level in some future draft of magic beans.

1. Comparing Kuminga* to Precious really shows you've literally never watched a single game he's played
2. You are off your tits if you think you're getting someone like Shaedon Sharpe for a 5 month rental of over-the-hill Pascal lol

I swear Raps fans have been a different level of delusional about Pascal's value on the trade market. Go look at what Sacramento offered and you'll come crawling back for JK.

Kuminga - an athletic freak averaging an efficient 13/5 with solid D as a 21 year old - is a far better player than you're getting back anywhere else.

[Oncloud9]

GSW has nothing to offer that makes sense for the Raps. Kaminga is another limited upside Precious Achuiwa whom the Raps traded away. Moody will be nothing more than a Kuzma. Expirings like injured CP13 or Wiggins .... don't fit ... dont need. Draft picks 5 and 7 years out.... too long to wait.

GSW needs to talk Ainge into that limited pile of crap for Markkenan/Clarkson to send to the Raps. That said, If Ainge was willing it would make more sense for GSW to take Markkenan and Clarkson instead of Siakam and I think Siakam is underrated across the league.

Masai has been pretty consistent ... young asset has to be in the Shaedon Sharpe, Ben Mathurin, Jalen Johnson or Jalen Williams level talent to add to the BBQ core. Masai isn't willing to wait 10 years to maybe someday get an all star of Siakams level in some future draft of magic beans.

1. Comparing Kuminga* to Precious really shows you've literally never watched a single game he's played
2. You are off your tits if you think you're getting someone like Shaedon Sharpe for a 5 month rental of over-the-hill Pascal lol

I swear Raps fans have been a different level of delusional about Pascal's value on the trade market. Go look at what Sacramento offered and you'll come crawling back for JK.

Kuminga - an athletic freak averaging an efficient 13/5 with solid D as a 21 year old - is a far better player than you're getting back anywhere else.

Masai doesn't have to trade him. Masai has made it clear he values Siakam at that level so if not enough offered to meet his asking price. Masai got Quickley, Barrett and the 31st pick in the 2024 draft for 5 month rental of OG who couldn't carry the Raptors last year when Siakam was out injured last year for 10 games. To start this year, Siakam was asked to step back to see if OG could step and replace Siakam's production and he couldn't with the Raps getting off to a horrible start. It is very clear you've not watched much Raptor basketball and that is not surprising since they get so little coverage in the US.

Precious, like Kaminga is an athletic freak, solid D and young. Like Precious, Kaminga doesn't read the floor well and tries to do too much.

Precious - 219 18.7 47.0 31.2 60.2 5.3 0.9 0.5 0.5 1.8 1.0 7.7 ... playing out of position as a 5. Siakam/Barnes creating room for him.
Kaminga - 173 19.6 51.5 33.3 67.9 3.5 1.4 0.4 0.5 2.2 1.3 10.3 ... playing his natural position with the gravitis of Steph/Klay creating room for him.

My comparison is supported by stats. Whatever self delusion you need .... go for it.

[Jester_]

GSW has nothing to offer that makes sense for the Raps. Kaminga is another limited upside Precious Achuiwa whom the Raps traded away. Moody will be nothing more than a Kuzma. Expirings like injured CP13 or Wiggins .... don't fit ... dont need. Draft picks 5 and 7 years out.... too long to wait.

GSW needs to talk Ainge into that limited pile of crap for Markkenan/Clarkson to send to the Raps. That said, If Ainge was willing it would make more sense for GSW to take Markkenan and Clarkson instead of Siakam and I think Siakam is underrated across the league.

Masai has been pretty consistent ... young asset has to be in the Shaedon Sharpe, Ben Mathurin, Jalen Johnson or Jalen Williams level talent to add to the BBQ core. Masai isn't willing to wait 10 years to maybe someday get an all star of Siakams level in some future draft of magic beans.

1. Comparing Kuminga* to Precious really shows you've literally never watched a single game he's played
2. You are off your tits if you think you're getting someone like Shaedon Sharpe for a 5 month rental of over-the-hill Pascal lol

I swear Raps fans have been a different level of delusional about Pascal's value on the trade market. Go look at what Sacramento offered and you'll come crawling back for JK.

Kuminga - an athletic freak averaging an efficient 13/5 with solid D as a 21 year old - is a far better player than you're getting back anywhere else.

Masai doesn't have to trade him. Masai has made it clear he values Siakam at that level so if not enough offered to meet his asking price. Masai got Quickley, Barrett and the 31st pick in the 2024 draft for 5 month rental of OG who couldn't carry the Raptors last year when Siakam was out injured last year for 10 games. To start this year, Siakam was asked to step back to see if OG could step and replace Siakam's production and he couldn't with the Raps getting off to a horrible start. It is very clear you've not watched much Raptor basketball and that is not surprising since they get so little coverage in the US.

Precious, like Kaminga is an athletic freak, solid D and young. Like Precious, Kaminga doesn't read the floor well and tries to do too much.

Precious - 219 18.7 47.0 31.2 60.2 5.3 0.9 0.5 0.5 1.8 1.0 7.7 ... playing out of position as a 5. Siakam/Barnes creating room for him.
Kaminga - 173 19.6 51.5 33.3 67.9 3.5 1.4 0.4 0.5 2.2 1.3 10.3 ... playing his natural position with the gravitis of Steph/Klay creating room for him.

My comparison is supported by stats. Whatever self delusion you need .... go for it.

What kind of doof in 2023 ignores age and throws up per 36 counting stats and acts like they know what they're talking about lol... and how the hell did you spell his name wrong again

I live in Toronto and Raps are my 2nd team. You're just posting nonsense for whatever reason.

[Oncloud9]

1. Comparing Kuminga* to Precious really shows you've literally never watched a single game he's played
2. You are off your tits if you think you're getting someone like Shaedon Sharpe for a 5 month rental of over-the-hill Pascal lol

I swear Raps fans have been a different level of delusional about Pascal's value on the trade market. Go look at what Sacramento offered and you'll come crawling back for JK.

Kuminga - an athletic freak averaging an efficient 13/5 with solid D as a 21 year old - is a far better player than you're getting back anywhere else.

Masai doesn't have to trade him. Masai has made it clear he values Siakam at that level so if not enough offered to meet his asking price. Masai got Quickley, Barrett and the 31st pick in the 2024 draft for 5 month rental of OG who couldn't carry the Raptors last year when Siakam was out injured last year for 10 games. To start this year, Siakam was asked to step back to see if OG could step and replace Siakam's production and he couldn't with the Raps getting off to a horrible start. It is very clear you've not watched much Raptor basketball and that is not surprising since they get so little coverage in the US.

Precious, like Kaminga is an athletic freak, solid D and young. Like Precious, Kaminga doesn't read the floor well and tries to do too much.

Precious - 219 18.7 47.0 31.2 60.2 5.3 0.9 0.5 0.5 1.8 1.0 7.7 ... playing out of position as a 5. Siakam/Barnes creating room for him.
Kaminga - 173 19.6 51.5 33.3 67.9 3.5 1.4 0.4 0.5 2.2 1.3 10.3 ... playing his natural position with the gravitis of Steph/Klay creating room for him.

My comparison is supported by stats. Whatever self delusion you need .... go for it.

What kind of doof in 2023 ignores age and throws up per 36 counting stats and acts like they know what they're talking about lol... and how the hell did you spell his name wrong again

I live in Toronto and Raps are my 2nd team. You're just posting nonsense for whatever reason.

When you cannot refute the stats ... attack the messenger.... Classic sour grapes... Precious is 24. Kuminga is 21. Oh ... well. Continue your fantasy.

[donemilio21]

I don't see Warriors getting Siakam without a 3rd team. also pretty sure there has to be an agreement on the extension in order for a team to give a good value.

[Jester_]

Masai doesn't have to trade him. Masai has made it clear he values Siakam at that level so if not enough offered to meet his asking price. Masai got Quickley, Barrett and the 31st pick in the 2024 draft for 5 month rental of OG who couldn't carry the Raptors last year when Siakam was out injured last year for 10 games. To start this year, Siakam was asked to step back to see if OG could step and replace Siakam's production and he couldn't with the Raps getting off to a horrible start. It is very clear you've not watched much Raptor basketball and that is not surprising since they get so little coverage in the US.

Precious, like Kaminga is an athletic freak, solid D and young. Like Precious, Kaminga doesn't read the floor well and tries to do too much.

Precious - 219 18.7 47.0 31.2 60.2 5.3 0.9 0.5 0.5 1.8 1.0 7.7 ... playing out of position as a 5. Siakam/Barnes creating room for him.
Kaminga - 173 19.6 51.5 33.3 67.9 3.5 1.4 0.4 0.5 2.2 1.3 10.3 ... playing his natural position with the gravitis of Steph/Klay creating room for him.

My comparison is supported by stats. Whatever self delusion you need .... go for it.

What kind of doof in 2023 ignores age and throws up per 36 counting stats and acts like they know what they're talking about lol... and how the hell did you spell his name wrong again

I live in Toronto and Raps are my 2nd team. You're just posting nonsense for whatever reason.

When you cannot refute the stats ... attack the messenger.... Classic sour grapes... Precious is 24. Kuminga is 21. Oh ... well. Continue your fantasy.

I was going to let this go because I figure you're new to basketball or gen-x or something, but maybe its' because I had a bad day at work, I've decided I'm going to eviscerate you so you can see how wrong you are and hopefully learn a few things.

1) Why in hell are you comparing CAREER averages? Especially between a 21 year old and a 24 year old? Do you understand the difference between a 24 year old player and a 21 year old player?

John Collins has better career averages than Wembanyama, I guess they're the same value player right? Seriously hope you had a brain fart or something

2) Here's a better comparison:

Precious @ 21 - 5 ppg, 3 rpg on 55% TS (lower than league average)
Kuminga @ 21 - 13 ppg, 4 rpg on 59% TS (higher than league average)
Kawhi @ 21 - 12 ppg, 6rpg on 59% TS (higher than league average)

Only someone who has been watching basketball for 6 months would take Precious's CAREER totals at 3 years older Kuminga as a point of comparison. I've literally never heard of anything so dumb on realgm. Please tell me you made a mistake or something.

Here's a few more comparisons if it doesn't get through your head:

Paul George @ 21 - 12 ppg, 5 rpg on 55% TS
Jaylen Brown @ 21 - 14 ppg, 6 rpg on 57% TS

Kuminga's value comes from his POTENTIAL, his year-on-year trajectory, and the fact that he has a similar pattern so far as other star forwards. This is stuff my 12 year old nephew understands and I'm stunned I have to explain it on a basketball fan forum.

Sit down with this goofy ****.

[Ssj16]

GSW has nothing to offer that makes sense for the Raps. Kaminga is another limited upside Precious Achuiwa whom the Raps traded away. Moody will be nothing more than a Kuzma. Expirings like injured CP13 or Wiggins .... don't fit ... dont need. Draft picks 5 and 7 years out.... too long to wait.

GSW needs to talk Ainge into that limited pile of crap for Markkenan/Clarkson to send to the Raps. That said, If Ainge was willing it would make more sense for GSW to take Markkenan and Clarkson instead of Siakam and I think Siakam is underrated across the league.

Masai has been pretty consistent ... young asset has to be in the Shaedon Sharpe, Ben Mathurin, Jalen Johnson or Jalen Williams level talent to add to the BBQ core. Masai isn't willing to wait 10 years to maybe someday get an all star of Siakams level in some future draft of magic beans.

1. Comparing Kuminga* to Precious really shows you've literally never watched a single game he's played
2. You are off your tits if you think you're getting someone like Shaedon Sharpe for a 5 month rental of over-the-hill Pascal lol

I swear Raps fans have been a different level of delusional about Pascal's value on the trade market. Go look at what Sacramento offered and you'll come crawling back for JK.

Kuminga - an athletic freak averaging an efficient 13/5 with solid D as a 21 year old - is a far better player than you're getting back anywhere else.

Though I agree with you that I'd take a chance on Kuminga and that he probably has more upside than Precious, I'm not sure where you're getting that Siakam is over the hill or past his prime. If you put Siakam on a team where he is number 2 to a top 3 player (a la Phili), that puts them in contention for a chip. If you put him on a team where he's number 3 with a couple of top 15 players ( a la Lakers), again that's now a true contenders.

He's so versatile and as the other poster mentioned before, shows he can still ball once he learned to play beside Barnes better.

[TheSeeker]

What kind of doof in 2023 ignores age and throws up per 36 counting stats and acts like they know what they're talking about lol... and how the hell did you spell his name wrong again

I live in Toronto and Raps are my 2nd team. You're just posting nonsense for whatever reason.

When you cannot refute the stats ... attack the messenger.... Classic sour grapes... Precious is 24. Kuminga is 21. Oh ... well. Continue your fantasy.

I was going to let this go because I figure you're new to basketball or gen-x or something, but maybe its' because I had a bad day at work, I've decided I'm going to eviscerate you so you can see how wrong you are and hopefully learn a few things.

1) Why in hell are you comparing CAREER averages? Especially between a 21 year old and a 24 year old? Do you understand the difference between a 24 year old player and a 21 year old player?

John Collins has better career averages than Wembanyama, I guess they're the same value player right? Seriously hope you had a brain fart or something

2) Here's a better comparison:

Precious @ 21 - 5 ppg, 3 rpg on 55% TS (lower than league average)
Kuminga @ 21 - 13 ppg, 4 rpg on 59% TS (higher than league average)
Kawhi @ 21 - 12 ppg, 6rpg on 59% TS (higher than league average)

Only someone who has been watching basketball for 6 months would take Precious's CAREER totals at 3 years older Kuminga as a point of comparison. I've literally never heard of anything so dumb on realgm. Please tell me you made a mistake or something.

Here's a few more comparisons if it doesn't get through your head:

Paul George @ 21 - 12 ppg, 5 rpg on 55% TS
Jaylen Brown @ 21 - 14 ppg, 6 rpg on 57% TS

Kuminga's value comes from his POTENTIAL, his year-on-year trajectory, and the fact that he has a similar pattern so far as other star forwards. This is stuff my 12 year old nephew understands and I'm stunned I have to explain it on a basketball fan forum.

Sit down with this goofy ****.

While I don't disagree with your statement about the other poster and Precious comparison, it is interesting you reference John Collins in passing while cherry picking some very good players stats at age 21 to make your point.

John Collins at 21-19.5 ppg (2nd season), 9.5 rebounds on 62% TS in 30mpg. He was beasting statwise, but was also on a **** ATL team.

And Kuminga reminds me a lot of Collins at the time (except Collins was a much better shooter, which is vital for spacing today), but was also a beast inside. I like Kuminga, but he also has some holes in his game, especially the drop to 27% from 3 this year and being left out of key stretches because the coaching staff has had similar concerns (and he is also on a somewhat crappy team this year-sorry GS fans). And based on recent statements his value may drop a bit, he has put GS in a tough position. I think a John Collins trajectory is probably a fair assessment, and Collins is not bad, just happens to be horribly overpaid.

Siakam is established as a efficient all around player than can net you 20+ppg and is a beast on D. He better fits GS's timeline. He also has said he'd resign with a team that offers him a max contract, so a team trading for him could get assurances he would stay, and would immediately provide a lot more value on the court than Kuminga

I'm not a fan of either team, but I don't think GS get that done without throwing in the rumored picks. They are in a tough position with Curry's timeline. What other move can they reasonably take to contend?

[Jester_]

When you cannot refute the stats ... attack the messenger.... Classic sour grapes... Precious is 24. Kuminga is 21. Oh ... well. Continue your fantasy.

I was going to let this go because I figure you're new to basketball or gen-x or something, but maybe its' because I had a bad day at work, I've decided I'm going to eviscerate you so you can see how wrong you are and hopefully learn a few things.

1) Why in hell are you comparing CAREER averages? Especially between a 21 year old and a 24 year old? Do you understand the difference between a 24 year old player and a 21 year old player?

John Collins has better career averages than Wembanyama, I guess they're the same value player right? Seriously hope you had a brain fart or something

2) Here's a better comparison:

Precious @ 21 - 5 ppg, 3 rpg on 55% TS (lower than league average)
Kuminga @ 21 - 13 ppg, 4 rpg on 59% TS (higher than league average)
Kawhi @ 21 - 12 ppg, 6rpg on 59% TS (higher than league average)

Only someone who has been watching basketball for 6 months would take Precious's CAREER totals at 3 years older Kuminga as a point of comparison. I've literally never heard of anything so dumb on realgm. Please tell me you made a mistake or something.

Here's a few more comparisons if it doesn't get through your head:

Paul George @ 21 - 12 ppg, 5 rpg on 55% TS
Jaylen Brown @ 21 - 14 ppg, 6 rpg on 57% TS

Kuminga's value comes from his POTENTIAL, his year-on-year trajectory, and the fact that he has a similar pattern so far as other star forwards. This is stuff my 12 year old nephew understands and I'm stunned I have to explain it on a basketball fan forum.

Sit down with this goofy ****.

While I don't disagree with your statement about the other poster and Precious comparison, it is interesting you reference John Collins in passing while cherry picking some very good players stats at age 21 to make your point.

John Collins at 21-19.5 ppg (2nd season), 9.5 rebounds on 62% TS in 30mpg. He was beasting statwise, but was also on a **** ATL team.

And Kuminga reminds me a lot of Collins at the time (except Collins was a much better shooter, which is vital for spacing today), but was also a beast inside. I like Kuminga, but he also has some holes in his game, especially the drop to 27% from 3 this year and being left out of key stretches because the coaching staff has had similar concerns (and he is also on a somewhat crappy team this year-sorry GS fans). And based on recent statements his value may drop a bit, he has put GS in a tough position. I think a John Collins trajectory is probably a fair assessment, and Collins is not bad, just happens to be horribly overpaid.

Siakam is established as a efficient all around player than can net you 20+ppg and is a beast on D. He better fits GS's timeline. He also has said he'd resign with a team that offers him a max contract, so a team trading for him could get assurances he would stay, and would immediately provide a lot more value on the court than Kuminga

I'm not a fan of either team, but I don't think GS get that done without throwing in the rumored picks. They are in a tough position with Curry's timeline. What other move can they reasonably take to contend?

I wasn't comparing Collins to Kuminga, but I do see some of the similarities you mention. Kuminga is absolute a flawed player and even GSW fans aren't super high on him. The crux of my comment was to suggest that despite everything he does still have an outside shot at becoming a star, which is likely the best that the Raps can hope for to get out of a Siakam rental. I think expecting to flip Siakam for someone like Ben Mathurin is just pie in the sky stuff.

[TheSeeker]

I was going to let this go because I figure you're new to basketball or gen-x or something, but maybe its' because I had a bad day at work, I've decided I'm going to eviscerate you so you can see how wrong you are and hopefully learn a few things.

1) Why in hell are you comparing CAREER averages? Especially between a 21 year old and a 24 year old? Do you understand the difference between a 24 year old player and a 21 year old player?

John Collins has better career averages than Wembanyama, I guess they're the same value player right? Seriously hope you had a brain fart or something

2) Here's a better comparison:

Precious @ 21 - 5 ppg, 3 rpg on 55% TS (lower than league average)
Kuminga @ 21 - 13 ppg, 4 rpg on 59% TS (higher than league average)
Kawhi @ 21 - 12 ppg, 6rpg on 59% TS (higher than league average)

Only someone who has been watching basketball for 6 months would take Precious's CAREER totals at 3 years older Kuminga as a point of comparison. I've literally never heard of anything so dumb on realgm. Please tell me you made a mistake or something.

Here's a few more comparisons if it doesn't get through your head:

Paul George @ 21 - 12 ppg, 5 rpg on 55% TS
Jaylen Brown @ 21 - 14 ppg, 6 rpg on 57% TS

Kuminga's value comes from his POTENTIAL, his year-on-year trajectory, and the fact that he has a similar pattern so far as other star forwards. This is stuff my 12 year old nephew understands and I'm stunned I have to explain it on a basketball fan forum.

Sit down with this goofy ****.

While I don't disagree with your statement about the other poster and Precious comparison, it is interesting you reference John Collins in passing while cherry picking some very good players stats at age 21 to make your point.

John Collins at 21-19.5 ppg (2nd season), 9.5 rebounds on 62% TS in 30mpg. He was beasting statwise, but was also on a **** ATL team.

And Kuminga reminds me a lot of Collins at the time (except Collins was a much better shooter, which is vital for spacing today), but was also a beast inside. I like Kuminga, but he also has some holes in his game, especially the drop to 27% from 3 this year and being left out of key stretches because the coaching staff has had similar concerns (and he is also on a somewhat crappy team this year-sorry GS fans). And based on recent statements his value may drop a bit, he has put GS in a tough position. I think a John Collins trajectory is probably a fair assessment, and Collins is not bad, just happens to be horribly overpaid.

Siakam is established as a efficient all around player than can net you 20+ppg and is a beast on D. He better fits GS's timeline. He also has said he'd resign with a team that offers him a max contract, so a team trading for him could get assurances he would stay, and would immediately provide a lot more value on the court than Kuminga

I'm not a fan of either team, but I don't think GS get that done without throwing in the rumored picks. They are in a tough position with Curry's timeline. What other move can they reasonably take to contend?

I wasn't comparing Collins to Kuminga, but I do see some of the similarities you mention. Kuminga is absolute a flawed player and even GSW fans aren't super high on him. The crux of my comment was to suggest that despite everything he does still have an outside shot at becoming a star, which is likely the best that the Raps can hope for to get out of a Siakam rental. I think expecting to flip Siakam for someone like Ben Mathurin is just pie in the sky stuff.

Yes, I know you were not comparing JC to Kuminga, just thought it was interesting you brought him up.

And I agree with your post, however we have seen many instances of very good young players traded for very good established players. Often it is about timelines, and GS is in a desperate position, Indiana is not. I could see Indy making that trade (maybe work to get Indy a FRP as part of the process) if they thought it would give them a chip. GS is on the decline, I actually think their best move would be to blow it up, trade Curry somewhere he has a chance for more rings and get assets back to rebuild. The more they age the less valuable their roster will be.