Would you extend Pascal Siakam on a max deal?

[ontnut]

I would not. I think we find the best deal we can by the deadline. Hopefully that can net us at least one meaningful young piece to build with on a cost-controlled deal.

If they resign Siakam then Barnes will continue assuming the OG Role and essentially becomes the 4th or some nights the 5th option on this team. That is totally BS again by the FO because they are not building around Barnes and he will never become an allstar.

Teams want no part of Lavine's contract and he is one year younger. So this fairy tale of signing him to trade him later will blow uo when you trying trading a primary post player around 32-33 making 50 million.. Already teams including the Raptors don't want any deal more then 3 years because of his age and being a post player.

It looks like Quickly and RJ look like they need about 15-20 shots a night, when you include Siakam's 20 plus ISO'S then Barnes's usage goes down and then you start seeing stat lines like last season when Fred was with this team.

Either Siakam is traded or they ate not building around Barnes and not surprised he leaves at the first opportunity. Barnes himself mention OG and his great defence after the game. Most likely pissed off the FO traded our best defensive player and now he gets stuck doing the dirty which consumes loads of energy.


I think RJ and Quickly more then make up any lost scoring after trading Siakam and he needs to go

I've seen a lot of people comp Lavine's contract/trade value with Siakam. Siakam is an easier fit for most teams than Lavine, even sans the 3pt shooting. And Siakam doesn't have Lavine's extensive injury history + reliance on athleticism (perceived or real). I still don't thinnk I'd give Siakam the 5th year, but if it comes down to it and you have no choice, you give him the deal and then look to trade him IMMEDIATELY.

[BetterCallSaul]

I'd sooner extend him than trade him for pennies. He will be good and tradeable for the length of his deal

[webeye]

Let’s be clear about something right now: If your plan is to sign someone as a free agent with the money you’re not paying Pascal, then forget about it. Unless the player in question has distressed value and no one else will go near them, then they’re not signing with us. With very few exceptions, desirable free agents do not choose Toronto.

Carry on.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

max is fine as long as it is tradeable and with the increasing cap it probably will be.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Let’s be clear about something right now: If your plan is to sign someone as a free agent with the money you’re not paying Pascal, then forget about it. Unless the player in question has distressed value and no one else will go near them, then they’re not signing with us. With very few exceptions, desirable free agents do not choose Toronto.

Carry on.

there's no great FA either. kawhi, pg13, maxey and og will all sign for their respective teams.
who else is really left.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

4 year max for him is fine. My guess is the 5th year is the sticking point. He will get it somewhere. We either have to give it to him or trade him.

A new team can only give 4 years term.

is our 4 year max a higher amount than another team's?

[kalel123]

I would not. I think we find the best deal we can by the deadline. Hopefully that can net us at least one meaningful young piece to build with on a cost-controlled deal.

If they resign Siakam then Barnes will continue assuming the OG Role and essentially becomes the 4th or some nights the 5th option on this team. That is totally BS again by the FO because they are not building around Barnes and he will never become an allstar.

Teams want no part of Lavine's contract and he is one year younger. So this fairy tale of signing him to trade him later will blow uo when you trying trading a primary post player around 32-33 making 50 million.. Already teams including the Raptors don't want any deal more then 3 years because of his age and being a post player.

It looks like Quickly and RJ look like they need about 15-20 shots a night, when you include Siakam's 20 plus ISO'S then Barnes's usage goes down and then you start seeing stat lines like last season when Fred was with this team.

Either Siakam is traded or they ate not building around Barnes and not surprised he leaves at the first opportunity. Barnes himself mention OG and his great defence after the game. Most likely pissed off the FO traded our best defensive player and now he gets stuck doing the dirty which consumes loads of energy.


I think RJ and Quickly more then make up any lost scoring after trading Siakam and he needs to go

Lavine's a career loser. Siakam for all his faults is a better player than Lavine and a much better fit to winning. I can't fathom how one can make that kind of faulty comparison.

[kalel123]

Losing Siakam for nothing is not an option, that would be utter disaster. This is not a FVV situation because there's no scenario where we come out better after losing him for nothing. We absolutely need to get value back. If not dollar for dollar, at least .75 to .85 on the dollar. Said this in another thread but if they don't like what other teams are offering, don't F around and just sign him to a max or near-max extension now (the way these guys are wired, I'm hoping he'll go for the money even if relationship's not necessarily optimal right now). Teams that are trying to trade for him now probably would want to and have to re-sign him to that kind of contract themselves in offseason anyway, if they trade for him, because they aren't going to keep him beyond this season otherwise. Next season, those teams will still want him except we'll have more leverage with the contract control, which will hopefully lead to even more suitors with better return.

Yeah, he may not be worth the money near end of his contract but we obviously wouldn't want to wait nearly that long to trade him. That would also be stupid. Trade him next season where he'll still hold most of his value and teams trading for a win-now piece don't usually think that far ahead with these guys anyway.

[Parataxis]

No if it's full max at 4/192. 10% discount at 175M, probably

You'd let Siakam walk for nothing over 4m/year?!?

[PushDaRock]

The Kawhi extension is interesting because he could have gotten 4 years at 220 million but he took 1 less year, 70m less and surprisingly no player option. So, if Kawhi isn't a full max player, what does that make Siakam? I don't know that it will help negotiations with Siakam in any way but something to think about nonetheless.

Still, I think he's a top 30 player. So, if every team has 1 max player, it would probably make sense that he gets it. He's also improved his value this year by showing he can fit into a ball movement heavy system and be an efficient scorer again when not being counted on as the #1 option. I think the 4 year max is probably somewhat fair, it's reasonable to expect Siakam has 3 years left at this level of play and as long as that is the case, the value is probably there. The 4th year he becomes a neutral asset as an expiring contract at worst. If he's not signing the extension and determined to get that 5th year out of us though, that's when things get dicey.

[billy_hoyle]

Let’s be clear about something right now: If your plan is to sign someone as a free agent with the money you’re not paying Pascal, then forget about it. Unless the player in question has distressed value and no one else will go near them, then they’re not signing with us. With very few exceptions, desirable free agents do not choose Toronto.

Carry on.

there's no great FA either. kawhi, pg13, maxey and og will all sign for their respective teams.
who else is really left.

Claxton and Monk.

High end role players.

If you grabbed Jarace, Nembhard and Buddy for Siakam, we'd have approx. $30m in cap space if we let our FA walk (GTJ, OPJ, Hield).

Now if you traded Boucher and Schroeder for futures and expirings you end up with ~ $55m.

IQ, Nembhard
RJ, Monk
Barnes, Dick, McDaniels
Jarace, #31, Porter
Yak, Claxton, Koloko

Clear 22-25 yr old core.

[manjusaka]

He is still in prime and quite durable. If he can be a team player and play winning basketball not just stats padding. He does worth the max.

Extend him with the max and trade him later doesn’t make sense to me. Because a max contract is very difficult to trade IMO given that salary matching and apron rules.

[webeye]

And why, pray tell, are Claxton and Monk going to sign with us? Claxton's the best available center, and Monk is one of the top guards, and the top shooting guard if you assume that Maxey and IQ both end up sticking with their current teams.

We've offered the most money, we've offered starting spots, we've offered a chance to Netflix and chill with Drake. Unless you've already been a Raptor, you just aren't interested, again, with very few exceptions.

And now we're going to go out there with a pitch of, "Okay, you'd be playing off the bench, and we probably can't pay you the most money, and there's a good chance we won't win very much. But you can still hang out with Drake!" and expect to pick them up like they're on sale at Walmart?

Just declaring "we'll go out and sign them!" is lunacy.

[Kinger95]

At least we can trade him add a pick and prospect, resign quickly and Scottie, trade yak for a pick , develop the young guys.

If we keep him we will legit be watching a core or RJ , quickly , Scottie, Pascal and yak for the next 4 years and I hate to break it to anyone here but that team is never beating Tatum and the Celtics or Giannis or Embiid. So unless they get him at a huge discount it’s an easy no for me dawg

[greekman]

At least we can trade him add a pick and prospect, resign quickly and Scottie, trade yak for a pick

stopped reading there. some raptor fans will put the team in perpetual losing mode

[ImaBeatDatAzz]

Offer him 4 year / 180, if doesn’t accept then trade

[C_Money]

At least we can trade him add a pick and prospect, resign quickly and Scottie, trade yak for a pick

stopped reading there. some raptor fans will put the team in perpetual losing mode

Agreed. Where’s the guy who wanted to trade Siakam for AJ Griffen and the guy’s not even playing right now lol

[6ixpessant]

I don't really care about who gets max contracts and all that. The Raptors will be capped out forever unless they want to be a 20 win team. NBA salaries stopped making sense years ago.

[Raps Militia]

No, absolutely not, we have to split the streets with Siakam, without having anything against him, he is a player who is useless in our context.
We have to start from Barnes, Quickley and maybe Barrett, and there is no room for Siakam in such a young Core. He proved to be a boy with a big heart, but with great limitations.

[OakleyDokely]

Let’s be clear about something right now: If your plan is to sign someone as a free agent with the money you’re not paying Pascal, then forget about it. Unless the player in question has distressed value and no one else will go near them, then they’re not signing with us. With very few exceptions, desirable free agents do not choose Toronto.

Carry on.

They'd probably break it up and sign two 20M players or 3 15M guys.

I don't think anyone going on the market is worth big money this offseason, other than Siakam anyways.

The two top guys are probably Siakam/OG and then you have guys like Tobias, DD, Hayward, Hield, Conley, Dinwiddie, Claxton. Harris, Olynyk,Valanciunas, GTJ etc who are really just solid starters or top bench guys.

All the top guys are mostly settled by free agency. Now, free agency is just about filling out the rest of your roster.