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Celts Get Royally Bucked! Loss vs MIL 1/11

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Re: Celts Get Royally Bucked! Loss vs MIL 1/11 

Post#61 » by Parliament10 » Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:27 am

bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:Only The Tinkle Assassin gave a damn and should have started...

After the Starters averaging over 40+ mins, last night; I think that you're right. The Bench should have Started.

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Re: Celts Get Royally Bucked! Loss vs MIL 1/11 

Post#62 » by Romeiro Celtic » Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:31 am

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Romeiro Celtic wrote:I have a serious question to ask everyone on here except I few I won't even bother to reply back.

Do you really think Mazzulla is going to take us to win the NBA title?

In all seriousness. Let's discuss about it.

I made a decision years ago to stop even trying to change anyone’s mind about something over the internet. 99.99% of the time it’s a waste of time and effort, most don’t come with an open mind and a willingness to change it. In person people seem more prepared to…however I’ll respond to you with my thoughts and you can take it or leave it, I don’t want to get into an endless back and forth.

At the end of last season I wanted Joe gone. I thought the team played in a one dimensional fashion, that Joe lacked a feel for moments and that he wasn’t creative enough with his lineups.

This year, Joe started the year off well at camp with his focus on defense first and tweaks to offensive plans (the curveball in his terms). The team has had remarkable cohesion given the number of roster changes.

There has been a major difference in how the Celtics have played, 2nd in post ups and efficiency and matchup based variation with defensive schemes, not just drop or switch.

I don’t know how many years have gone by where I’ve grown more and more frustrated with JB, but finally he is playing with far more court awareness than he ever has and he credits Joe for how well he is teaching all the players on how to read the game.

The Bucks keep saying to be patient with them because of how they need to learn together, but the Celtics have had more roster changes.

Even if many here like to credit anyone but Joe for our best in the league record and greatest of all time starts at home, it takes a good head coach to listen to others and make decisions. Contrast that with how Stotts left because Griffin didn’t like him talking to the players.

Many analysts have praised Joe’s creative defensive matchups and schemes, he has also tried a large number of lineups often with good success. Joe is the second best in the league in points from A/TOs last time I checked.

Joe supports his players and also is not afraid to call them out, a sign of a good coach.

Only time will tell whether his feel in the playoffs this year will be better.

I have been turned around 180 degrees on Joe. He’s not perfect but has improved rapidly and is humble enough to say when he gets things wrong which is essential for learning.

Brad knows his **** far more than I ever will and has made many decisions in his short time as PoBO that require balls of steel. If Joe wasn’t the coach in his opinion to take us to a chip he would be gone, there is no way he would remain with the ownership spend on everything else otherwise.

Others can think what they want, but all I ask is for all to keep an open mind, pay attention to all the things he’s doing well and give credit for it along with the criticism where he deserves it.


I can totally agree with you that the team is playing better than last year. But what I feel is that it's not due to coaching, but for individual talents and chemestry built through the years since the Brad days from the leaders of our team.

I agree too that Joe is improving, but I don't think this is the scenario ideal for us, since whenever he's pressured, he comes back to his comfort zone of playing the old three ball chuck and pray to the heavens it'll fall, his rotations have been underwhelming and personel management is kinda frustrating as well. There's no continuity for some bench players who have been playing well. There's no minute management in order to avoid injuries for key players. And yet again, whenever he's pressured, he falls back to the old Joe we all know from the Miami Heat series last year. Yeah, we came back 3-0 to tie it, but game 7 was an absolute disaster, reinforcing that when the pressure is there, he disappears and has no clue on what to do.

Some guys here posted that all you need to win is a mid tier coach and a very good team, hence Doc Rivers with us in 2008 and Bud with the Bucks. But I don't think it's quite the same situation here. Mazzulla is great whenever it's about to destroy some teams in the RS, but when the big time comes, he has no gameplan, he has no option other option than option B which is throwing even your mama from the 3pt line, C or D is just keep praying to God it'll do well.

Yeah, we've got some really experienced fellas behind him like Cassell and Charles Lee, but yet again, does it even matter when he's a boneheaded idiot? It did matter against the Wolves the other night, which I credit those guys for winning it, not Joe. Specially because if it was only for him, we would have lost that game at home and be 17-1.

Tell me that I'm stubborn as you want. But unless he proves that he's got more aces in his sleeve, I won't believe him at all and all I see is the Miami series repeating itself over and over again, specially if we face a very physical team.

But thanks for your answer, man. Good discussion here, hope we can continue from this and maybe you can change my mind. Totally open for it.
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Re: Celts Get Royally Bucked! Loss vs MIL 1/11 

Post#63 » by Parliament10 » Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:31 am

Sweet Serenity wrote:
Romeiro Celtic wrote:I have a serious question to ask everyone on here except I few I won't even bother to reply back.

Do you really think Mazzulla is going to take us to win the NBA title?

In all seriousness. Let's discuss about it.


Did you sleep through last nights game ?

Many of us were talking about this last night. The Over-playing of the Starters, and the Under-playing of the Bench.
Did you sleep through those Comments?
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Post#64 » by GrandTheftRondo » Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:33 am

Parliament10 wrote:
Romeiro Celtic wrote:I have a serious question to ask everyone on here except I few I won't even bother to reply back.

Do you really think Mazzulla is going to take us to win the NBA title?

In all seriousness. Let's discuss about it.

Like I was saying last night, Mazzulla is a bonehead for playing the Starters so much.
Very Shortsighted to play, just to Win just one Game.

We've gotta Win the Whole Season. Regular Season should be a Healthy mix of Bench, and even Deep Bench players.
Playoffs is when you shorten the Rotation.

Instead, we have this Debacle. The Starters didn't even play the 2nd Half.
Ridiculous.

Mazzulla doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes. Time for better Head Coaching.
I Vote to remove Mazzulla, and go with Sam Cassell as the Head Coach.

Who are these mystery bench guys we have to just not play the starters?

Tatum is playing 36mpg, Brown 34mpg.

That is hardly a lot of minutes
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Re: Celts Get Royally Bucked! Loss vs MIL 1/11 

Post#65 » by Parliament10 » Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:33 am

jfs1000d wrote:
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playa-hater wrote:I haven't read any of these posts. Just came home and saw the score.. Do I have to even know why this happened. The answer is so **** obvious.. Playing eight players most of the year and especially on a back to back is a pathetic coach..

And I'm sure one overly sensitive piece of s***Will come make some stupid excuse instead of saying what is **** obvious to most posters..

Anyone trust in this piece of s*** in the f****** playoffs Is as clueless as he is..


AOS for the temper tantrum lol

lol. They were so exhausted, legit had no ability to compete Tonight physically.

Exactly. And Finally Mazzulla woke up to that. By resting (key-word) the Starters in the 2nd Half.
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Re: Celts Get Royally Bucked! Loss vs MIL 1/11 

Post#66 » by Romeiro Celtic » Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:36 am

Sweet Serenity wrote:
Romeiro Celtic wrote:I have a serious question to ask everyone on here except I few I won't even bother to reply back.

Do you really think Mazzulla is going to take us to win the NBA title?

In all seriousness. Let's discuss about it.


Did you sleep through last nights game ?


I don't think you get my point here. Or maybe you don't remember individual talents can shine or maybe even assistant coaches (who are even more capable than this guy can take over, which seems to have happened, and change the gameplan). I did watch the whole game. We almost lost to the Wolves due to Joe's stubbornness for always be chucking up the threes. Hero ball. Less ball movement for creating open shots and find the better option for shooting. Driving to the rim. Nah, let's just chuck threes, go down on your knees and pray a chaplet Hail Mary for it to fall.




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Re: Celts Get Royally Bucked! Loss vs MIL 1/11 

Post#67 » by Parliament10 » Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:37 am

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Parliament10 wrote:
Romeiro Celtic wrote:I have a serious question to ask everyone on here except I few I won't even bother to reply back.

Do you really think Mazzulla is going to take us to win the NBA title?

In all seriousness. Let's discuss about it.

Like I was saying last night, Mazzulla is a bonehead for playing the Starters so much.
Very Shortsighted to play, just to Win just one Game.

We've gotta Win the Whole Season. Regular Season should be a Healthy mix of Bench, and even Deep Bench players.
Playoffs is when you shorten the Rotation.

Instead, we have this Debacle. The Starters didn't even play the 2nd Half.
Ridiculous.

Mazzulla doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes. Time for better Head Coaching.
I Vote to remove Mazzulla, and go with Sam Cassell as the Head Coach.

Who are these mystery bench guys we have to just not play the starters?

Tatum is playing 36mpg, Brown 34mpg.

That is hardly a lot of minutes

Who said to "to just not play the starters?" ?
You're not listening.

Play the Season. Not the Game.
Last Year the Starters were Burnt out in the Playoffs, due to being overplayed, during the Regular Season.

Why have all these Bench and Deep Bench Players, if you're not goign to play them???
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Re: Celts Get Royally Bucked! Loss vs MIL 1/11 

Post#68 » by Sweet Serenity » Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:37 am

Parliament10 wrote:
Romeiro Celtic wrote:I have a serious question to ask everyone on here except I few I won't even bother to reply back.

Do you really think Mazzulla is going to take us to win the NBA title?

In all seriousness. Let's discuss about it.

Like I was saying last night, Mazzulla is a bonehead for playing the Starters so much.
Very Shortsighted to play, just to Win just one Game.

We've gotta Win the Whole Season. Regular Season should be a Healthy mix of Bench, and even Deep Bench players.
Playoffs is when you shorten the Rotation.

Instead, we have this Debacle. The Starters didn't even play the 2nd Half.
Ridiculous.

Mazzulla doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes. Time for better Head Coaching.
I Vote to remove Mazzulla, and go with Sam Cassell as the Head Coach.


You’re shortsighted for thinking last night’s game wasn’t important.

The regular season is about building good habits & the best way to build those good habits is to win as much as you can. You’re playing the best team in the West, who gives two **** about how many minutes the starters played.
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Re: Celts Get Royally Bucked! Loss vs MIL 1/11 

Post#69 » by GrandTheftRondo » Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:38 am

Romeiro Celtic wrote:
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Mr_Mojo_Risin wrote:
Romeiro Celtic wrote:I have a serious question to ask everyone on here except I few I won't even bother to reply back.

Do you really think Mazzulla is going to take us to win the NBA title?

In all seriousness. Let's discuss about it.

I made a decision years ago to stop even trying to change anyone’s mind about something over the internet. 99.99% of the time it’s a waste of time and effort, most don’t come with an open mind and a willingness to change it. In person people seem more prepared to…however I’ll respond to you with my thoughts and you can take it or leave it, I don’t want to get into an endless back and forth.

At the end of last season I wanted Joe gone. I thought the team played in a one dimensional fashion, that Joe lacked a feel for moments and that he wasn’t creative enough with his lineups.

This year, Joe started the year off well at camp with his focus on defense first and tweaks to offensive plans (the curveball in his terms). The team has had remarkable cohesion given the number of roster changes.

There has been a major difference in how the Celtics have played, 2nd in post ups and efficiency and matchup based variation with defensive schemes, not just drop or switch.

I don’t know how many years have gone by where I’ve grown more and more frustrated with JB, but finally he is playing with far more court awareness than he ever has and he credits Joe for how well he is teaching all the players on how to read the game.

The Bucks keep saying to be patient with them because of how they need to learn together, but the Celtics have had more roster changes.

Even if many here like to credit anyone but Joe for our best in the league record and greatest of all time starts at home, it takes a good head coach to listen to others and make decisions. Contrast that with how Stotts left because Griffin didn’t like him talking to the players.

Many analysts have praised Joe’s creative defensive matchups and schemes, he has also tried a large number of lineups often with good success. Joe is the second best in the league in points from A/TOs last time I checked.

Joe supports his players and also is not afraid to call them out, a sign of a good coach.

Only time will tell whether his feel in the playoffs this year will be better.

I have been turned around 180 degrees on Joe. He’s not perfect but has improved rapidly and is humble enough to say when he gets things wrong which is essential for learning.

Brad knows his **** far more than I ever will and has made many decisions in his short time as PoBO that require balls of steel. If Joe wasn’t the coach in his opinion to take us to a chip he would be gone, there is no way he would remain with the ownership spend on everything else otherwise.

Others can think what they want, but all I ask is for all to keep an open mind, pay attention to all the things he’s doing well and give credit for it along with the criticism where he deserves it.


I can totally agree with you that the team is playing better than last year. But what I feel is that it's not due to coaching, but for individual talents and chemestry built through the years since the Brad days from the leaders of our team.

I agree too that Joe is improving, but I don't think this is the scenario ideal for us, since whenever he's pressured, he comes back to his comfort zone of playing the old three ball chuck and pray to the heavens it'll fall, his rotations have been underwhelming and personel management is kinda frustrating as well. There's no continuity for some bench players who have been playing well. There's no minute management in order to avoid injuries for key players. And yet again, whenever he's pressured, he falls back to the old Joe we all know from the Miami Heat series last year. Yeah, we came back 3-0 to tie it, but game 7 was an absolute disaster, reinforcing that when the pressure is there, he disappears and has no clue on what to do.

Some guys here posted that all you need to win is a mid tier coach and a very good team, hence Doc Rivers with us in 2008 and Bud with the Bucks. But I don't think it's quite the same situation here. Mazzulla is great whenever it's about to destroy some teams in the RS, but when the big time comes, he has no gameplan, he has no option other option than option B which is throwing even your mama from the 3pt line, C or D is just keep praying to God it'll do well.

Yeah, we've got some really experienced fellas behind him like Cassell and Charles Lee, but yet again, does it even matter when he's a boneheaded idiot? It did matter against the Wolves the other night, which I credit those guys for winning it, not Joe. Specially because if it was only for him, we would have lost that game at home and be 17-1.

Tell me that I'm stubborn as you want. But unless he proves that he's got more aces in his sleeve, I won't believe him at all and all I see is the Miami series repeating itself over and over again, specially if we face a very physical team.

But thanks for your answer, man. Good discussion here, hope we can continue from this and maybe you can change my mind. Totally open for it.

The Celtics are no different to any other elite team in that they live and die by 3s.

The one difference this year is that Tatum is being used more strategically with post ups and Porzingis is there as an additional post up option and we have absolutely been using him in times of trouble for that.

The reality is offensively if you don’t take and make a lot of 3s in today’s NBA you will not win games.

What do you propose he should be doing as plan B or C offensively?
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Re: Celts Get Royally Bucked! Loss vs MIL 1/11 

Post#70 » by Mr_Mojo_Risin » Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:39 am

Romeiro Celtic wrote:
Spoiler:
Mr_Mojo_Risin wrote:
Romeiro Celtic wrote:I have a serious question to ask everyone on here except I few I won't even bother to reply back.

Do you really think Mazzulla is going to take us to win the NBA title?

In all seriousness. Let's discuss about it.

I made a decision years ago to stop even trying to change anyone’s mind about something over the internet. 99.99% of the time it’s a waste of time and effort, most don’t come with an open mind and a willingness to change it. In person people seem more prepared to…however I’ll respond to you with my thoughts and you can take it or leave it, I don’t want to get into an endless back and forth.

At the end of last season I wanted Joe gone. I thought the team played in a one dimensional fashion, that Joe lacked a feel for moments and that he wasn’t creative enough with his lineups.

This year, Joe started the year off well at camp with his focus on defense first and tweaks to offensive plans (the curveball in his terms). The team has had remarkable cohesion given the number of roster changes.

There has been a major difference in how the Celtics have played, 2nd in post ups and efficiency and matchup based variation with defensive schemes, not just drop or switch.

I don’t know how many years have gone by where I’ve grown more and more frustrated with JB, but finally he is playing with far more court awareness than he ever has and he credits Joe for how well he is teaching all the players on how to read the game.

The Bucks keep saying to be patient with them because of how they need to learn together, but the Celtics have had more roster changes.

Even if many here like to credit anyone but Joe for our best in the league record and greatest of all time starts at home, it takes a good head coach to listen to others and make decisions. Contrast that with how Stotts left because Griffin didn’t like him talking to the players.

Many analysts have praised Joe’s creative defensive matchups and schemes, he has also tried a large number of lineups often with good success. Joe is the second best in the league in points from A/TOs last time I checked.

Joe supports his players and also is not afraid to call them out, a sign of a good coach.

Only time will tell whether his feel in the playoffs this year will be better.

I have been turned around 180 degrees on Joe. He’s not perfect but has improved rapidly and is humble enough to say when he gets things wrong which is essential for learning.

Brad knows his **** far more than I ever will and has made many decisions in his short time as PoBO that require balls of steel. If Joe wasn’t the coach in his opinion to take us to a chip he would be gone, there is no way he would remain with the ownership spend on everything else otherwise.

Others can think what they want, but all I ask is for all to keep an open mind, pay attention to all the things he’s doing well and give credit for it along with the criticism where he deserves it.


I can totally agree with you that the team is playing better than last year. But what I feel is that it's not due to coaching, but for individual talents and chemestry built through the years since the Brad days from the leaders of our team.

I agree too that Joe is improving, but I don't think this is the scenario ideal for us, since whenever he's pressured, he comes back to his comfort zone of playing the old three ball chuck and pray to the heavens it'll fall, his rotations have been underwhelming and personel management is kinda frustrating as well. There's no continuity for some bench players who have been playing well. There's no minute management in order to avoid injuries for key players. And yet again, whenever he's pressured, he falls back to the old Joe we all know from the Miami Heat series last year. Yeah, we came back 3-0 to tie it, but game 7 was an absolute disaster, reinforcing that when the pressure is there, he disappears and has no clue on what to do.

Some guys here posted that all you need to win is a mid tier coach and a very good team, hence Doc Rivers with us in 2008 and Bud with the Bucks. But I don't think it's quite the same situation here. Mazzulla is great whenever it's about to destroy some teams in the RS, but when the big time comes, he has no gameplan, he has no option other option than option B which is throwing even your mama from the 3pt line, C or D is just keep praying to God it'll do well.

Yeah, we've got some really experienced fellas behind him like Cassell and Charles Lee, but yet again, does it even matter when he's a boneheaded idiot? It did matter against the Wolves the other night, which I credit those guys for winning it, not Joe. Specially because if it was only for him, we would have lost that game at home and be 17-1.

Tell me that I'm stubborn as you want. But unless he proves that he's got more aces in his sleeve, I won't believe him at all and all I see is the Miami series repeating itself over and over again, specially if we face a very physical team.

But thanks for your answer, man. Good discussion here, hope we can continue from this and maybe you can change my mind. Totally open for it.

It really doesn’t faze me if you change your mind and in reality I suspect only winning the chip will change many minds.

It is a red flag to me though when people credit everyone but Joe for when we win and only Joe when we lose. This rarely is backed by supporting evidence or details.

Each to their own…

I’m sure we can agree that we’re having a great year so far and hope they win it, regardless of who will be given credit.

Have a good one man.
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Re: Celts Get Royally Bucked! Loss vs MIL 1/11 

Post#71 » by Parliament10 » Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:41 am

fallguy wrote:Joe did the right thing last night. Huge game for us. Really showed our mettle.

Guys in the league will tell you - losses like this you just shrug off. Losing last night in OT would have hurt a lot more.

Strongly Disagree.
Again. You play for the Whole Season. Not just one Game.
We could have Won last night, AND tonight.

We need to play all these Deep Bench Players, that we had to resort to tonight.
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Post#72 » by Romeiro Celtic » Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:41 am

jfs1000d wrote:
Romeiro Celtic wrote:I have a serious question to ask everyone on here except I few I won't even bother to reply back.

Do you really think Mazzulla is going to take us to win the NBA title?

In all seriousness. Let's discuss about it.

Yes? Why? Becuase coaches don’t matter as much. You just gotta make sure your coach isn’t terrible.

Pop, Spolestra are great coaches. Guys like Carlisle, thibs, Nurse are good coaches.

Everyone else? They are Mike budenholzer. Buds will win if you are fork, lose if yku are bad, and literally won’t help or hurt you.


Of course they don't matter, that's why Scott Brooks won a championship over the Miami Heat with OKC, or Mark Jackson won it all with Curry, Klay, Bogut and Draymond, or Byron Scott beat the Lakers and the Spurs, or Brian Hill won with the Magic against Hakeem. Yeah, all you need is a bunch of guys doing whatever they want to do or maybe even stick to one thing that works and if the other team figures it out, just keep trying the same good old and pray to God for a miracle.




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Re: Celts Get Royally Bucked! Loss vs MIL 1/11 

Post#73 » by GrandTheftRondo » Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:42 am

Parliament10 wrote:
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Parliament10 wrote:Like I was saying last night, Mazzulla is a bonehead for playing the Starters so much.
Very Shortsighted to play, just to Win just one Game.

We've gotta Win the Whole Season. Regular Season should be a Healthy mix of Bench, and even Deep Bench players.
Playoffs is when you shorten the Rotation.

Instead, we have this Debacle. The Starters didn't even play the 2nd Half.
Ridiculous.

Mazzulla doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes. Time for better Head Coaching.
I Vote to remove Mazzulla, and go with Sam Cassell as the Head Coach.

Who are these mystery bench guys we have to just not play the starters?

Tatum is playing 36mpg, Brown 34mpg.

That is hardly a lot of minutes

Who said to "to just not play the starters?" ?
You're not listening.

Play the Season. Not the Game.
Last Year the Starters were Burnt out in the Playoffs, due to being overplayed, during the Regular Season.

Why have all these Bench and Deep Bench Players, if you're not goign to play them???

The Celtics have played exceptional basketball and are still only like 3 games in front of the Bucks.

We are not in a position to be going 10-11 deep every night. We have some really bad players on the bench and we’ve also been weathering the storm through a really tough schedule to start the season.

I don’t get how the Celtics haven’t been playing the season? Tatum is a 25 year old dude in his prime playing 36mpg. Brown is at 34mpg. Horford rests all the time. Porzingis is not playing back to backs basically with a make believe calf complaint at this point (it was really initially).

Nobody is playing heavy minutes. We have an easier schedule from here onwards so there should be numerous blow outs where we can sit guys entire quarters.

We didn’t lose last season because of fatigue either.
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Re: Celts Get Royally Bucked! Loss vs MIL 1/11 

Post#74 » by GrandTheftRondo » Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:47 am

Mr_Mojo_Risin wrote:
Romeiro Celtic wrote:
Spoiler:
Mr_Mojo_Risin wrote:I made a decision years ago to stop even trying to change anyone’s mind about something over the internet. 99.99% of the time it’s a waste of time and effort, most don’t come with an open mind and a willingness to change it. In person people seem more prepared to…however I’ll respond to you with my thoughts and you can take it or leave it, I don’t want to get into an endless back and forth.

At the end of last season I wanted Joe gone. I thought the team played in a one dimensional fashion, that Joe lacked a feel for moments and that he wasn’t creative enough with his lineups.

This year, Joe started the year off well at camp with his focus on defense first and tweaks to offensive plans (the curveball in his terms). The team has had remarkable cohesion given the number of roster changes.

There has been a major difference in how the Celtics have played, 2nd in post ups and efficiency and matchup based variation with defensive schemes, not just drop or switch.

I don’t know how many years have gone by where I’ve grown more and more frustrated with JB, but finally he is playing with far more court awareness than he ever has and he credits Joe for how well he is teaching all the players on how to read the game.

The Bucks keep saying to be patient with them because of how they need to learn together, but the Celtics have had more roster changes.

Even if many here like to credit anyone but Joe for our best in the league record and greatest of all time starts at home, it takes a good head coach to listen to others and make decisions. Contrast that with how Stotts left because Griffin didn’t like him talking to the players.

Many analysts have praised Joe’s creative defensive matchups and schemes, he has also tried a large number of lineups often with good success. Joe is the second best in the league in points from A/TOs last time I checked.

Joe supports his players and also is not afraid to call them out, a sign of a good coach.

Only time will tell whether his feel in the playoffs this year will be better.

I have been turned around 180 degrees on Joe. He’s not perfect but has improved rapidly and is humble enough to say when he gets things wrong which is essential for learning.

Brad knows his **** far more than I ever will and has made many decisions in his short time as PoBO that require balls of steel. If Joe wasn’t the coach in his opinion to take us to a chip he would be gone, there is no way he would remain with the ownership spend on everything else otherwise.

Others can think what they want, but all I ask is for all to keep an open mind, pay attention to all the things he’s doing well and give credit for it along with the criticism where he deserves it.


I can totally agree with you that the team is playing better than last year. But what I feel is that it's not due to coaching, but for individual talents and chemestry built through the years since the Brad days from the leaders of our team.

I agree too that Joe is improving, but I don't think this is the scenario ideal for us, since whenever he's pressured, he comes back to his comfort zone of playing the old three ball chuck and pray to the heavens it'll fall, his rotations have been underwhelming and personel management is kinda frustrating as well. There's no continuity for some bench players who have been playing well. There's no minute management in order to avoid injuries for key players. And yet again, whenever he's pressured, he falls back to the old Joe we all know from the Miami Heat series last year. Yeah, we came back 3-0 to tie it, but game 7 was an absolute disaster, reinforcing that when the pressure is there, he disappears and has no clue on what to do.

Some guys here posted that all you need to win is a mid tier coach and a very good team, hence Doc Rivers with us in 2008 and Bud with the Bucks. But I don't think it's quite the same situation here. Mazzulla is great whenever it's about to destroy some teams in the RS, but when the big time comes, he has no gameplan, he has no option other option than option B which is throwing even your mama from the 3pt line, C or D is just keep praying to God it'll do well.

Yeah, we've got some really experienced fellas behind him like Cassell and Charles Lee, but yet again, does it even matter when he's a boneheaded idiot? It did matter against the Wolves the other night, which I credit those guys for winning it, not Joe. Specially because if it was only for him, we would have lost that game at home and be 17-1.

Tell me that I'm stubborn as you want. But unless he proves that he's got more aces in his sleeve, I won't believe him at all and all I see is the Miami series repeating itself over and over again, specially if we face a very physical team.

But thanks for your answer, man. Good discussion here, hope we can continue from this and maybe you can change my mind. Totally open for it.

It really doesn’t faze me if you change your mind and in reality I suspect only winning the chip will change many minds.

It is a red flag to me though when people credit everyone but Joe for when we win and only Joe when we lose. This rarely is backed by supporting evidence or details.

Each to their own…

I’m sure we can agree that we’re having a great year so far and hope they win it, regardless of who will be given credit.

Have a good one man.

Amen.

Gets tiring hearing the same old coaching complaints made with little detail about what he’s actually doing wrong.
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Re: Celts Get Royally Bucked! Loss vs MIL 1/11 

Post#75 » by Parliament10 » Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:47 am

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AOS for the temper tantrum lol

lol. They were so exhausted, legit had no ability to compete Tonight physically.


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Apparently that’s still Joe’s fault according to some “bright” individuals on this forum :lol:

That is Joe's Fault. = He's the one who over-played them.
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Re: Celts Get Royally Bucked! Loss vs MIL 1/11 

Post#76 » by GrandTheftRondo » Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:51 am

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jfs1000d wrote:lol. They were so exhausted, legit had no ability to compete Tonight physically.


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A back to back against Minnesota and Milwaukee is brutal.

We were bound to lose one.

They got stuck in a dogfight last night and the starters ended up playing extra minutes in OT.

Not a big deal.

We navigated 5 games in 7 nights pretty much as well as we could have hoped.
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Re: Celts Get Royally Bucked! Loss vs MIL 1/11 

Post#77 » by Parliament10 » Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:53 am

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GrandTheftRondo wrote:Who are these mystery bench guys we have to just not play the starters?

Tatum is playing 36mpg, Brown 34mpg.

That is hardly a lot of minutes

Who said to "to just not play the starters?" ?
You're not listening.

Play the Season. Not the Game.
Last Year the Starters were Burnt out in the Playoffs, due to being overplayed, during the Regular Season.

Why have all these Bench and Deep Bench Players, if you're not goign to play them???

The Celtics have played exceptional basketball and are still only like 3 games in front of the Bucks.

We are not in a position to be going 10-11 deep every night. We have some really bad players on the bench and we’ve also been weathering the storm through a really tough schedule to start the season.

I don’t get how the Celtics haven’t been playing the season? Tatum is a 25 year old dude in his prime playing 36mpg. Brown is at 34mpg. Horford rests all the time. Porzingis is not playing back to backs basically with a make believe calf complaint at this point (it was really initially).

Nobody is playing heavy minutes. We have an easier schedule from here onwards so there should be numerous blow outs where we can sit guys entire quarters.

We didn’t lose last season because of fatigue either.

Obviously, we are in disagreement.
But don't discount others positions.

There's a faction here that are Happy with the Way that Mazzulla played the Players.
And then there's a faction that wants Joe Gone.

That's it.
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Re: Celts Get Royally Bucked! Loss vs MIL 1/11 

Post#78 » by GrandTheftRondo » Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:57 am

Parliament10 wrote:
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Parliament10 wrote:Who said to "to just not play the starters?" ?
You're not listening.

Play the Season. Not the Game.
Last Year the Starters were Burnt out in the Playoffs, due to being overplayed, during the Regular Season.

Why have all these Bench and Deep Bench Players, if you're not goign to play them???

The Celtics have played exceptional basketball and are still only like 3 games in front of the Bucks.

We are not in a position to be going 10-11 deep every night. We have some really bad players on the bench and we’ve also been weathering the storm through a really tough schedule to start the season.

I don’t get how the Celtics haven’t been playing the season? Tatum is a 25 year old dude in his prime playing 36mpg. Brown is at 34mpg. Horford rests all the time. Porzingis is not playing back to backs basically with a make believe calf complaint at this point (it was really initially).

Nobody is playing heavy minutes. We have an easier schedule from here onwards so there should be numerous blow outs where we can sit guys entire quarters.

We didn’t lose last season because of fatigue either.

Obviously, we are in disagreement.
But don't discount others positions.

There's a faction here that are Happy with the Way that Mazzulla played the Players.
And then there's a faction that wants Joe Gone.

That's it.
Let's All Agree to Disagree.

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If people want Mazzulla gone on the basis of players being fatigued against an elite team on the second night of a back to back then I don’t know what to say.

I would have thought the people complaining about Mazzulla are more focused on his timeouts, emphasis on 3s etc. Haven’t heard much complaining about minutes at all.

If they do want him out on the basis of overplaying starters or not giving the bench enough burn then that’s a pretty bizarre one.

Horford, Pritchard and Hauser are the only 3 guys is be comfortable with seeing minutes in a playoff series. And it’s not like Mazzulla is pulling a Thibs and playing Tatum etc 42 minutes every game.

We have a pretty **** bench and Brad is on record saying he wants to add another wing.
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Re: Celts Get Royally Bucked! Loss vs MIL 1/11 

Post#79 » by Parliament10 » Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:57 am

GrandTheftRondo wrote:
Parliament10 wrote:
Sweet Serenity wrote:
Apparently that’s still Joe’s fault according to some “bright” individuals on this forum :lol:

That is Joe's Fault. = He's the one who over-played them.
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A back to back against Minnesota and Milwaukee is brutal.

We were bound to lose one.

They got stuck in a dogfight last night and the starters ended up playing extra minutes in OT.

Not a big deal.

We navigated 5 games in 7 nights pretty much as well as we could have hoped.

TBH, We actually could have Won both Games.
That's part of the Point that many have been making. = Play the Bench.

Mazzulla needed to play the Bench in the 1st Game.
Instead, he was forced to play them in the 2nd Game.

There's no getting around it. 5 Starters Cannot Win a Championship on their own.
Gotta play the Bench.
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Re: Celts Get Royally Bucked! Loss vs MIL 1/11 

Post#80 » by Sweet Serenity » Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:58 am

Hey guys instead of focusing on winning & building chemistry between the players that are going to get minutes in the playoffs, let’s put out a bunch of end of bench guys that won’t get any playoff minutes thus risking losing games & the top seed. What a great **** idea !

If your main focus right now is to keep the top seed, you give yourself the best possible chance to rest players at the end of the season so your fresh for the playoffs.

It’s not rocket science fellas ..

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