Trade Ideas

[JonFromVA]

Mitchell is a second tier star, sort of like a sane version of Kyrie. There are very few first tier superstars who show up game in and game out in the playoffs especially if they have to rely on their jump shot.

For instance, if Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown were those guys, Boston would already have a few championships with them. Jimmy Butler might have two.

It would also help a lot of Mitchell didn't have a hamstring, groin, or other significant injury in the playoffs this season.

Let me try to add a little more perspective. Here's a link to highest scoring playoff game by cavalier players:

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/current-cavalier-player-highest-scoring-games-in-playoffs

Statmuse will show me 25 instances. One of them was Garland's 32 points .vs. the Knicks, another was LeVert's 35pts for the Nets .vs. the Raptors. The other 23 are all Mitchell including two for the Cavs.vs. the Knicks playing inspite of a groin injury.

And yet his efficiency was still in the toilet and he's never even been to a conference final lol

Also, idk why you feel the need to always bring up long past injuries. The guy played nearly 40 minutes every night down the stretch of the season. If it was that serious he shoulda sat out longer the first time or sat out at all the second time.

Dude... because I watched the games, saw the injuries occur, watched him aggravate them.

Also, you might check and compare the efficiency of those players you rate higher than him.

[JujitsuFlip]

Mitchell is a second tier star, sort of like a sane version of Kyrie. There are very few first tier superstars who show up game in and game out in the playoffs especially if they have to rely on their jump shot.

For instance, if Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown were those guys, Boston would already have a few championships with them. Jimmy Butler might have two.

It would also help a lot of Mitchell didn't have a hamstring, groin, or other significant injury in the playoffs this season.

Let me try to add a little more perspective. Here's a link to highest scoring playoff game by cavalier players:

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/current-cavalier-player-highest-scoring-games-in-playoffs

Statmuse will show me 25 instances. One of them was Garland's 32 points .vs. the Knicks, another was LeVert's 35pts for the Nets .vs. the Raptors. The other 23 are all Mitchell including two for the Cavs.vs. the Knicks playing inspite of a groin injury.

And yet his efficiency was still in the toilet and he's never even been to a conference final lol

Also, idk why you feel the need to always bring up long past injuries. The guy played nearly 40 minutes every night down the stretch of the season. If it was that serious he shoulda sat out longer the first time or sat out at all the second time.

Dude... because I watched the games, saw the injuries occur, watched him aggravate them.

Also, you might check and compare the efficiency of those players you rate higher than him.

I only use my phone to post but that might not be a bad exercise for me.

[JonFromVA]

And yet his efficiency was still in the toilet and he's never even been to a conference final lol

Also, idk why you feel the need to always bring up long past injuries. The guy played nearly 40 minutes every night down the stretch of the season. If it was that serious he shoulda sat out longer the first time or sat out at all the second time.

Dude... because I watched the games, saw the injuries occur, watched him aggravate them.

Also, you might check and compare the efficiency of those players you rate higher than him.

I only use my phone to post but that might not be a bad exercise for me.

Basically if your name isn't Jokic or Murray you didn't do enough last season to help your team win a championship.

You don't have to create a compilation, just look and you'll see how few players are consistently great in the regular season let alone the playoffs. We just saw Doncic follow up a perfect first half with a disaster of a second to pull off an inexplicable loss to our team.

[JujitsuFlip]

How do we feel about Rubio and Jones for Muscala and Gallinari? Neither guy is shooting the ball very well this season but they may just need something to play for.

Cavs would have to maneuver the cap to get back under the tax but just trying to think of ways to get some cheap bigs in here.

[jbk1234]

How do we feel about Rubio and Jones for Muscala and Gallinari? Neither guy is shooting the ball very well this season but they may just need something to play for.

Cavs would have to maneuver the cap to get back under the tax but just trying to think of ways to get some cheap bigs in here.

I feel like we're swapping dollar store brand of toilet paper tbh.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://cavaliersnation.com/2024/01/10/report-cavs-interested-in-pursuing-3-and-d-upgrades/amp/

Not sure who the targets would be but I'm all for it. They shoulda been trying to acquire several of this archetype since July 1st 2018.

[jbk1234]

https://cavaliersnation.com/2024/01/10/report-cavs-interested-in-pursuing-3-and-d-upgrades/amp/

Not sure who the targets would be but I'm all for it. They shoulda been trying to acquire several of this archetype since July 1st 2018.

I'm pretty skeptical they're going to be able to obtain a real 3&D upgrade while not making any major changes.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://cavaliersnation.com/2024/01/10/report-cavs-interested-in-pursuing-3-and-d-upgrades/amp/

Not sure who the targets would be but I'm all for it. They shoulda been trying to acquire several of this archetype since July 1st 2018.

I'm pretty skeptical they're going to be able to obtain a real 3&D upgrade while not making any major changes.

Yeah, same, tbh. They don't have a lot of those mid tier salaries, which is usually what helps facilitate trades and all they could offer isc1st round swaps so doesn't really sweeten the pot.

[JonFromVA]

https://cavaliersnation.com/2024/01/10/report-cavs-interested-in-pursuing-3-and-d-upgrades/amp/

Not sure who the targets would be but I'm all for it. They shoulda been trying to acquire several of this archetype since July 1st 2018.

I'm pretty skeptical they're going to be able to obtain a real 3&D upgrade while not making any major changes.

So, probably something out of left field. We see something in a player another team doesn't, a player wants to get moved that we're not hearing about and we've got an offer better than nothing, a toxic player, an expiring player that won't be re-signed, a team in a cap or roster crunch, etc, etc.

In other words, expect Koby to be out there kicking tires.

fwiw, Caris LeVert could be valuable to a team that needs more dribbling/playmaking/scoring.

[jbk1234]

https://cavaliersnation.com/2024/01/10/report-cavs-interested-in-pursuing-3-and-d-upgrades/amp/

Not sure who the targets would be but I'm all for it. They shoulda been trying to acquire several of this archetype since July 1st 2018.

I'm pretty skeptical they're going to be able to obtain a real 3&D upgrade while not making any major changes.

So, probably something out of left field. We see something in a player another team doesn't, a player wants to get moved that we're not hearing about and we've got an offer better than nothing, a toxic player, an expiring player that won't be re-signed, a team in a cap or roster crunch, etc, etc.

In other words, expect Koby to be out there kicking tires.

fwiw, Caris LeVert could be valuable to a team that needs more dribbling/playmaking/scoring.

I feel like LeVert is pretty valuable to us as injury insurance so this mystery team would have to be higher on him than most of the NBA.

The only guy I see as a possibility is Thybulle who has managed to shoot above league average from 3 on a respectable number of attempts since being traded to Portland. Also, his contract is team-friendly. Maybe they take Okoro and Jerome.

[JonFromVA]

I'm pretty skeptical they're going to be able to obtain a real 3&D upgrade while not making any major changes.

So, probably something out of left field. We see something in a player another team doesn't, a player wants to get moved that we're not hearing about and we've got an offer better than nothing, a toxic player, an expiring player that won't be re-signed, a team in a cap or roster crunch, etc, etc.

In other words, expect Koby to be out there kicking tires.

fwiw, Caris LeVert could be valuable to a team that needs more dribbling/playmaking/scoring.

I feel like LeVert is pretty valuable to us as injury insurance so this mystery team would have to be higher on him than most of the NBA.

The only guy I see as a possibility is Thybulle who has managed to shoot above league average from 3 on a respectable number of attempts since being traded to Portland. Also, his contract is team-friendly. Maybe they take Okoro and Jerome.

It would be a way for Altman to force JBB to play CPJ more minutes when he needs more playmaking. When he needs more shooting & defense, well, the guy we got back would need to be better than Caris in those areas.

Always got to keep our eye on Royce O'Neale, he'll surely be a Cavalier if Brooklyn's asking price comes down. I suspect, the Cavs would love if the player they added could swing more easily between the front court spots than Niang or LeVert.

[jbk1234]

So, probably something out of left field. We see something in a player another team doesn't, a player wants to get moved that we're not hearing about and we've got an offer better than nothing, a toxic player, an expiring player that won't be re-signed, a team in a cap or roster crunch, etc, etc.

In other words, expect Koby to be out there kicking tires.

fwiw, Caris LeVert could be valuable to a team that needs more dribbling/playmaking/scoring.

I feel like LeVert is pretty valuable to us as injury insurance so this mystery team would have to be higher on him than most of the NBA.

The only guy I see as a possibility is Thybulle who has managed to shoot above league average from 3 on a respectable number of attempts since being traded to Portland. Also, his contract is team-friendly. Maybe they take Okoro and Jerome.

It would be a way for Altman to force JBB to play CPJ more minutes when he needs more playmaking. When he needs more shooting & defense, well, the guy we got back would need to be better than Caris in those areas.

Always got to keep our eye on Royce O'Neale, he'll surely be a Cavalier if Brooklyn's asking price comes down. I suspect, the Cavs would love if the player they added could swing more easily between the front court spots than Niang or LeVert.

I don't think there's a credible argument that CPJ is better than LeVert right now, nor does forcing JBB into a situation where he might have to play CPJ in the playoffs seem like a great idea.

Even O'Neale seems questionable in terms of being a better option over LeVert. O'Neale's only 6'4" and the Cavs already play small at multiple positions. LeVert's ability to create makes it much harder to for opposing teams to hide their weakest defender on him, as to where O'Neale is limited to just shooting threes. Finally, in those games where officials decide to reward foul baiting, LeVert is probably the only player on the roster who is able to take advantage of it.

[JonFromVA]

I feel like LeVert is pretty valuable to us as injury insurance so this mystery team would have to be higher on him than most of the NBA.

The only guy I see as a possibility is Thybulle who has managed to shoot above league average from 3 on a respectable number of attempts since being traded to Portland. Also, his contract is team-friendly. Maybe they take Okoro and Jerome.

It would be a way for Altman to force JBB to play CPJ more minutes when he needs more playmaking. When he needs more shooting & defense, well, the guy we got back would need to be better than Caris in those areas.

Always got to keep our eye on Royce O'Neale, he'll surely be a Cavalier if Brooklyn's asking price comes down. I suspect, the Cavs would love if the player they added could swing more easily between the front court spots than Niang or LeVert.

I don't think there's a credible argument that CPJ is better than LeVert right now, nor does forcing JBB into a situation where he might have to play CPJ in the playoffs seem like a great idea.

Even O'Neale seems questionable in terms of being a better option over LeVert. O'Neale's only 6'4" and the Cavs already play small at multiple positions. LeVert's ability to create makes it much harder to for opposing teams to hide their weakest defender on him, as to where O'Neale is limited to just shooting threes. Finally, in those games where officials decide to reward foul baiting, LeVert is probably the only player on the roster who is able to take advantage of it.

You're not trading LeVert and getting a better player, but you might get someone better at specific aspects and then let someone else on the team pickup those other aspects.

If I want someone to run plays, I might prefer CPJ. If I want someone ready to defend bigger stronger front court players and be able to pull them out of the paint, I might prefer RON.

From the other team's perspective, they presumably need someone who can score, run some 2-man game, and defend smaller SF's and guards.

That's one way we can find a deal that makes sense.

As for O'Neale's size ... I get the impression he very easily plays up like a PJ Tucker, but I haven't seen enough of that to form my own opinion. He's a close friend of Mitchell's though, so, you know ... there are other reasons.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/01/trade-rumors-cavaliers-nets-lavine-siakam-more.html

Well, we finally have some names, just not sure how realistic they are as targets.

“Dorian Finney-Smith is somebody that I do believe that the Cavs have interest in,” Fedor said. “He is somebody who can play the three and the four, he can shoot well enough from the outside spacing the floor.”

I just recall the rumored asking price was two 1sts. Not that i agree that's his value but Cavs have zero to offer.

"The Cavaliers were interested in a sign-and-trade for P.J. Washington in the offseason, but the Hornets weren’t interested in what Cleveland had to offer and Fedor thinks that is likely still the case. However, Fedor expects Cleveland to check-in on Washington’s availability again prior to the trade deadline".

We already tried to get this done and were unable but it's worth the phone call.

[jbk1234]

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/01/trade-rumors-cavaliers-nets-lavine-siakam-more.html

Well, we finally have some names, just not sure how realistic they are as targets.

“Dorian Finney-Smith is somebody that I do believe that the Cavs have interest in,” Fedor said. “He is somebody who can play the three and the four, he can shoot well enough from the outside spacing the floor.”

I just recall the rumored asking price was two 1sts. Not that i agree that's his value but Cavs have zero to offer.

"The Cavaliers were interested in a sign-and-trade for P.J. Washington in the offseason, but the Hornets weren’t interested in what Cleveland had to offer and Fedor thinks that is likely still the case. However, Fedor expects Cleveland to check-in on Washington’s availability again prior to the trade deadline".

We already tried to get this done and were unable but it's worth the phone call.

DFS is versatile enough from a skill/position standpoint that I'd be happy with that trade, but I'm guessing the Nets wouldn't.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/01/trade-rumors-cavaliers-nets-lavine-siakam-more.html

Well, we finally have some names, just not sure how realistic they are as targets.

“Dorian Finney-Smith is somebody that I do believe that the Cavs have interest in,” Fedor said. “He is somebody who can play the three and the four, he can shoot well enough from the outside spacing the floor.”

I just recall the rumored asking price was two 1sts. Not that i agree that's his value but Cavs have zero to offer.

"The Cavaliers were interested in a sign-and-trade for P.J. Washington in the offseason, but the Hornets weren’t interested in what Cleveland had to offer and Fedor thinks that is likely still the case. However, Fedor expects Cleveland to check-in on Washington’s availability again prior to the trade deadline".

We already tried to get this done and were unable but it's worth the phone call.

DFS is versatile enough from a skill/position standpoint that I'd be happy with that trade, but I'm guessing the Nets wouldn't.

DFS is shooting a career high from deep on % and attempts.

Money wise, Okoro works straight up for DFS, according to the trade machine. Probably would need another move to get back under the tax.

If the Nets move off their demands I'd be fine doing a protected swap on the 2030 first rounder. Wouldn't really wanna do a 2024 swap though. Nets can also have as many 2nds as they want, we saw 5 go out last February by all means. I'm fine even throwing in a little bit of cash.

I just think the Cavs package is very beatable.

I guess you could do Okoro + Wade + TJ for DFS + Lonnie Walker

[JonFromVA]

I just realized we've been talking about Nets trades and we just saw those players yesterday, well, at least in theory.

DFS and RON were a combined 0 for 3 with 2 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 turnovers, and 5 fouls.

Or nearly invisible in any positive sense in the box.

Guess they don't want to be traded to the Cavs.

[JujitsuFlip]

It would be cool if Okoro + Wade could get it done for DFS, maybe just throw them 5 second rounders.

Because then from a salary perspective LeVert + TJ for PJ Washington would keep the money clean. I doubt a 2030 swap entices them enough to pull the trigger but asset wise the Cavs don't have much else to offer.

[jbk1234]

It would be cool if Okoro + Wade could get it done for DFS, maybe just throw them 5 second rounders.

Because then from a salary perspective LeVert + TJ for PJ Washington would keep the money clean. I doubt a 2030 swap entices them enough to pull the trigger but asset wise the Cavs don't have much else to offer.

Unless the Cavs plan is to move PJ to SF, I don't see the appeal. He's a hair undersized at PF and as a result he's a poor rebounder who offers zero by the way of rim protection.

[JujitsuFlip]

It would be cool if Okoro + Wade could get it done for DFS, maybe just throw them 5 second rounders.

Because then from a salary perspective LeVert + TJ for PJ Washington would keep the money clean. I doubt a 2030 swap entices them enough to pull the trigger but asset wise the Cavs don't have much else to offer.

Unless the Cavs plan is to move PJ to SF, I don't see the appeal. He's a hair undersized at PF and as a result he's a poor rebounder who offers zero by the way of rim protection.

I think he would be tough to land anyway but since the Cavs are being so quiet on the Mobley front, guy would potentially be the starting PF until more clarity comes out aboot Mobley.

I don't think either target are realistic, unfortunately.

Cavs probably stand pat and go bargin bin shopping for "3&D" free agents to fill 14 and 15.