Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 2.0

[IceColdCubano]

I hope Spo continues to play Jovic in the starting lineup and keep Herro as PG.

Herro / Martin / Butler / Jovic / Bam is a very good starting unit

And you have a solid bench also with Lowry / Richardson / Robinson / Jaquez / Highsmith and Love

A lot of options.

The eye test and stats don't lie, those minutes with Jovic and Bam together are great for this team.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I hope Spo continues to play Jovic in the starting lineup and keep Herro as PG.

Herro / Martin / Butler / Jovic / Bam is a very good starting unit

And you have a solid bench also with Lowry / Richardson / Robinson / Jaquez / Highsmith and Love

A lot of options.

The eye test and stats don't lie, those minutes with Jovic and Bam together are great for this team.

There’s no turning back for Spo taking Jovic out of the starting lineup. I feel like Butler had a lot to do with getting him in there.

[twix2500]

I hope Spo continues to play Jovic in the starting lineup and keep Herro as PG.

Herro / Martin / Butler / Jovic / Bam is a very good starting unit

And you have a solid bench also with Lowry / Richardson / Robinson / Jaquez / Highsmith and Love

A lot of options.

The eye test and stats don't lie, those minutes with Jovic and Bam together are great for this team.

There’s no turning back for Spo taking Jovic out of the starting lineup. I feel like Butler had a lot to do with getting him in there.

MWP don't do that to yourself. You're setting yourself up for disappointment

[MettaWorldPanda]

I like Dejounte Murray here a lot. I think he fits very well with the team but i just dont see how salaries work.

Robinson / Caleb + picks for Murray and Mills ? Is that enough? I doubt. Even tho it makes a lot of sense for Atlanta, i think they can get more somewhere else. Both Robinson and Caleb are solid options for them.

Salaries do work. I actually think it’s a solid offer with the multiple first we are going to have to attach. Problem is we are going to have a ton of competition for him. Maybe we over pay. Hawks could help us out big in this deal as they would essentially be eating Martin’s contract saving a ton in tax money off the books this year. Murray’s contract increases to 24 next year but we won’t have to extend Martin so it’s basically we trade in Robinson and Martin’s cap figure next year for Murray and still retain our flexibility with Lowry expiring for an MLE signing.

[MettaWorldPanda]

The eye test and stats don't lie, those minutes with Jovic and Bam together are great for this team.

There’s no turning back for Spo taking Jovic out of the starting lineup. I feel like Butler had a lot to do with getting him in there.

MWP don't do that to yourself. You're setting yourself up for disappointment

Leave me alone while i hope traffic this into reality lol

[MettaWorldPanda]

This below is the original deal the Hawks made with the Spurs. Hawks will be looking to recoup a lot of this draft capital they originally gave up. Thinking two first and a pick swap.


Hawks receive:
• Dejounte Murray
• Jock Landale

Spurs receive:

• Danilo Gallinari
• 2023 first-round pick (via Charlotte from New York, protected)
• 2025 first-round pick
• 2026 pick swap
• 2027 first-round pick

[Bmaster]

I hope Spo continues to play Jovic in the starting lineup and keep Herro as PG.

Herro / Martin / Butler / Jovic / Bam is a very good starting unit

And you have a solid bench also with Lowry / Richardson / Robinson / Jaquez / Highsmith and Love

A lot of options.

The eye test and stats don't lie, those minutes with Jovic and Bam together are great for this team.

I like jaquez starting over Martin.

[RexBoyWonder]

Dejounte Murray is overrated IMO, not a great scorer, not really a great defender.

He's solid, avergish all around with a reputation of being very god.

I don't trust his 3 point shot - which is a HUGE skill for us. he cant get FT either. meh.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Dejounte Murray is overrated IMO, not a great scorer, not really a great defender.

He's solid, avergish all around with a reputation of being very god.

I don't trust his 3 point shot - which is a HUGE skill for us. he cant get FT either. meh.

He came in with a reputation as being a rock solid defender with the Spurs. I think Spo would be able to get the most out of him like Pop did. Averaging 20-21 the last three years and able to play heavy minutes. He’s at close to 40% from 3. He also has size at 6’4 giving us a big PG to tandem with Herro. Also two years younger then Rozier on a bargain contract. I’m all in here

[RexBoyWonder]

Dejounte Murray is overrated IMO, not a great scorer, not really a great defender.

He's solid, avergish all around with a reputation of being very god.

I don't trust his 3 point shot - which is a HUGE skill for us. he cant get FT either. meh.

He came in with a reputation as being a rock solid defender with the Spurs. I think Spo would be able to get the most out of him like Pop did. Averaging 20-21 the last three years and able to play heavy minutes. He’s at close to 40% from 3. He also has size at 6’4 giving us a big PG to tandem with Herro. Also two years younger then Rozier on a bargain contract. I’m all in here

Whats your exact trade for him?

I just don't think he brings the creating scoring juice we need

[twix2500]

Dejounte Murray is overrated IMO, not a great scorer, not really a great defender.

He's solid, avergish all around with a reputation of being very god.

I don't trust his 3 point shot - which is a HUGE skill for us. he cant get FT either. meh.

What type of point guard offensively do you think this team needs? I'm have an assumption you want a heavy pick n pop point guard like Dragic was?

[Beenie]

reputation of being very god.

His handles compared to anyone on Mia are indeed God like

[twix2500]

I hope Spo continues to play Jovic in the starting lineup and keep Herro as PG.

Herro / Martin / Butler / Jovic / Bam is a very good starting unit

And you have a solid bench also with Lowry / Richardson / Robinson / Jaquez / Highsmith and Love

A lot of options.

The eye test and stats don't lie, those minutes with Jovic and Bam together are great for this team.

I like jaquez starting over Martin.

if Healthy Martin defense is too important to the Heats scheme. I expect him to eventually return as a starter

[greg4012]

Read on Twitter

It’s nice to dream right lol. No way the Cavs deal him this year and he’ll also have a hard time turning down a super max if offered.

Is he able to become super max eligible if he was traded from the team that drafted him after his 1st 4 seasons?

[MettaWorldPanda]

Dejounte Murray is overrated IMO, not a great scorer, not really a great defender.

He's solid, avergish all around with a reputation of being very god.

I don't trust his 3 point shot - which is a HUGE skill for us. he cant get FT either. meh.

He came in with a reputation as being a rock solid defender with the Spurs. I think Spo would be able to get the most out of him like Pop did. Averaging 20-21 the last three years and able to play heavy minutes. He’s at close to 40% from 3. He also has size at 6’4 giving us a big PG to tandem with Herro. Also two years younger then Rozier on a bargain contract. I’m all in here

Whats your exact trade for him?

I just don't think he brings the creating scoring juice we need

How can you say he doesn’t bring scoring juice when he averages 21 a game? The trade would be Robinson 18.1, Martin 6.8, 2028 and 2030 1st and a possible pick swap somewhere in there. The compensation is high but we’ll be competing with a lot of other teams. Would be very similar to the Dragic deal. Also have to consider the Hawks absorbing salary for us in this deal that could save the front office close to 14 million in taxes and also allow for upgrades of two low cost signing roster fillers. Murray’s deal increases to 24 next year but it coincides with Duncan’s 19.4 increase next year and Martin’s 6.8 free agency which his salary is likely to double. It’s a deal worth thinking about heavily not only cause of the huge positional upgrade it presents but also keeps us at maximum salary flexibility unlike a lot of other deals.

[greg4012]

There's no doubt that Dejounte Murray's game is somewhat marginalized in ATL to fit next to Trae. His fit in Miami next to Herro would be extremely complimentary and allow both to slot into roles more suited for their strengths.

I'm pretty intrigued for the right price.

[IceColdCubano]

There's no doubt that Dejounte Murray's game is somewhat marginalized in ATL to fit next to Trae. His fit in Miami next to Herro would be extremely complimentary and allow both to slot into roles more suited for their strengths.

I'm pretty intrigued for the right price.

His fit here would work well, he is speedy, has good to great handles, has good court vision, is athletic, which we lack in all those departments. We look better as a team on offense when Kyle Lowry plays and has a subpar game vs not having him so Imagine what it could do for our offense simply having a young, athletic guard, putting rim pressure on the other team. Our issues, usually come when our 3&D guys who don't have any other game outside of that aren't hitting shots and ignored on offense. Our better scorers like Herro and Bam are then focused by the defense. It would be nice to have a guy who can get to the basket and not allow the other team to over commit on our scorers.

[carnageta]

Heat Final Form :

Bam
Jovic
Jimmy
JJJ
Herro

Supersized team with elite length, great passing, great getting to the line, good shooting, good enough defense.

Great starting 5 that matches up well against Milwaukee and Boston. And then you throw in Highsmith, Caleb, JRich, KLove, Lowry, Robinson, etc. and you have a solid 10-11 man rotation.

Who gets left out in the playoffs when Spo goes to 8 man rotation?

Jovic for sure. I could see Spo going 10 deep this year. Depends on the matchups as well, could be times when KLove is left to sit if the opposing team goes uber small.

[IceColdCubano]

Great starting 5 that matches up well against Milwaukee and Boston. And then you throw in Highsmith, Caleb, JRich, KLove, Lowry, Robinson, etc. and you have a solid 10-11 man rotation.

Who gets left out in the playoffs when Spo goes to 8 man rotation?

Jovic for sure. I could see Spo going 10 deep this year. Depends on the matchups as well, could be times when KLove is left to sit if the opposing team goes uber small.

Theres no way Spo does that, at worse it would be a 9 man rotation. The reason why teams go deep at the end of the bench is during the season to keep minutes down on certain players saving them for the playoffs. Statistics show that the longer a player is on the court with the same group the better the connection and the better the cohesion to a degree. Not overplaying someone to the point their dead tired, I mean that during the playoffs there are habits, all players have them, the more you are comfortable with another's habits the better the connection. Hence why coaches shorten the rotation unless of course there's a foul issue, where you have no other choice or injuries during the game.

Heck one of our biggest disgust with Spo is his inability to make in game adjustments, but were not paying attention to what he is really doing and that's most of the time he understands that forcing the rotation to fix itself on its own is far more positive in the long run. Sometimes that may not pay off during another teams run in that one moment or game but holding the line with your set rotations creates good habits and more cohesion on finding a solution. That right there tells me, that Spo will in the end make the tough decision and shorten the rotation in the playoffs.

[MettaWorldPanda]

If we do somehow end up trading Robinson and Martin for Murray we can immediately convert Cain and Swider to dirt cheap guaranteed contracts and get another two 2 way contracts. This is how you win in this harshly penalized tax salary cap era.