Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 2.0

[MettaWorldPanda]

C Bam Adebayo C Thomas Bryant C Orlando Robinson
PF Nikola Jovic PF Kevin Love PF Haywood Highsmith
SF Jimmy Butler SF Jaime Jaquez Jr SF Jamal Cain
SG Tyler Herro SG Josh Richardson SG Cole Swider
PG Dejounte Murray PG Kyle Lowry PG Patty Mills

If the Hawks don't want to eat so much money we can work out this deal to include Patty Mills and they end up eating Dru Smith's contract in the process. It would put us 1.725 million away from the super tax and allow for prorated signings of Swider and Cain. My first guess is the Heat will do everything possible to get the Hawks to eat as much money this year as possible keeping Mills out of the deal as Micky is probably having a hard time looking at his current 28 million dollar tax bill.


Miami Heat deals

SG/SF Duncan Robinson 18.1
SF Caleb Martin 6'8
PG Dru Smith(Contract dump) 1.8 million
2027 pick swap
2028 1st round pick
2030 1st round pick

25 million out

to Hawks for

PG Dejounte Murray
PG Patty Mills
Future 2nd round pick

26.7 million in

[insfo]

C Bam Adebayo C Thomas Bryant C Orlando Robinson
PF Nikola Jovic PF Kevin Love PF Haywood Highsmith
SF Jimmy Butler SF Jaime Jaquez Jr SF Jamal Cain
SG Tyler Herro SG Josh Richardson SG Cole Swider
PG Dejounte Murray PG Kyle Lowry PG Patty Mills

If the Hawks don't want to eat so much money we can work out this deal to include Patty Mills and they end up eating Dru Smith's contract in the process. It would put us 1.725 million away from the super tax and allow for prorated signings of Swider and Cain. My first guess is the Heat will do everything possible to get the Hawks to eat as much money this year as possible keeping Mills out of the deal as Micky is probably having a hard time looking at his current 28 million dollar tax bill.


Miami Heat deals

SG/SF Duncan Robinson 18.1
SF Caleb Martin 6'8
PG Dru Smith(Contract dump) 1.8 million
2027 pick swap
2028 1st round pick
2030 1st round pick

25 million out

to Hawks for

PG Dejounte Murray
PG Patty Mills
Future 2nd round pick

26.7 million in

While it’s nice to dream of someone like Murray being on the team, that news about interest in Mitchell means we are going to see a replay of last season…keep our powder dry as we wait for Mitchell, only to see him traded away to the Knicks. Book it!

[ZoStrong]

Murray is my #1 choice. I always liked him when he was in Spurs and he's really being misused in ATL

[MettaWorldPanda]

C Bam Adebayo C Thomas Bryant C Orlando Robinson
PF Nikola Jovic PF Kevin Love PF Haywood Highsmith
SF Jimmy Butler SF Jaime Jaquez Jr SF Jamal Cain
SG Tyler Herro SG Josh Richardson SG Cole Swider
PG Dejounte Murray PG Kyle Lowry PG Patty Mills

If the Hawks don't want to eat so much money we can work out this deal to include Patty Mills and they end up eating Dru Smith's contract in the process. It would put us 1.725 million away from the super tax and allow for prorated signings of Swider and Cain. My first guess is the Heat will do everything possible to get the Hawks to eat as much money this year as possible keeping Mills out of the deal as Micky is probably having a hard time looking at his current 28 million dollar tax bill.


Miami Heat deals

SG/SF Duncan Robinson 18.1
SF Caleb Martin 6'8
PG Dru Smith(Contract dump) 1.8 million
2027 pick swap
2028 1st round pick
2030 1st round pick

25 million out

to Hawks for

PG Dejounte Murray
PG Patty Mills
Future 2nd round pick

26.7 million in

While it’s nice to dream of someone like Murray being on the team, that news about interest in Mitchell means we are going to see a replay of last season…keep our powder dry as we wait for Mitchell, only to see him traded away to the Knicks. Book it!

[Bishop45]

Damn, sounds like they want Duncan Robinson

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Damn, sounds like they want Duncan Robinson

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Murray
Highsmith or JJJ
Jimmy
Lauri
Bam

[RexBoyWonder]

C Bam Adebayo C Thomas Bryant C Orlando Robinson
PF Nikola Jovic PF Kevin Love PF Haywood Highsmith
SF Jimmy Butler SF Jaime Jaquez Jr SF Jamal Cain
SG Tyler Herro SG Josh Richardson SG Cole Swider
PG Dejounte Murray PG Kyle Lowry PG Patty Mills

If the Hawks don't want to eat so much money we can work out this deal to include Patty Mills and they end up eating Dru Smith's contract in the process. It would put us 1.725 million away from the super tax and allow for prorated signings of Swider and Cain. My first guess is the Heat will do everything possible to get the Hawks to eat as much money this year as possible keeping Mills out of the deal as Micky is probably having a hard time looking at his current 28 million dollar tax bill.


Miami Heat deals

SG/SF Duncan Robinson 18.1
SF Caleb Martin 6'8
PG Dru Smith(Contract dump) 1.8 million
2027 pick swap
2028 1st round pick
2030 1st round pick

25 million out

to Hawks for

PG Dejounte Murray
PG Patty Mills
Future 2nd round pick

26.7 million in

I just can't stop thinking about the opportunity cost here.

Murray is a fine player, even if I don't like his game I'll admit he's a big upgrade over our current PGs.

But if we're giving all this package for him, you're just giving up on getting a D.Mitchell or any other real Allstar guard.

If we add just one more assets to this package, don't you think we can go after the real big fish?

This move just feels so..treadmilly.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

C Bam Adebayo C Thomas Bryant C Orlando Robinson
PF Nikola Jovic PF Kevin Love PF Haywood Highsmith
SF Jimmy Butler SF Jaime Jaquez Jr SF Jamal Cain
SG Tyler Herro SG Josh Richardson SG Cole Swider
PG Dejounte Murray PG Kyle Lowry PG Patty Mills

If the Hawks don't want to eat so much money we can work out this deal to include Patty Mills and they end up eating Dru Smith's contract in the process. It would put us 1.725 million away from the super tax and allow for prorated signings of Swider and Cain. My first guess is the Heat will do everything possible to get the Hawks to eat as much money this year as possible keeping Mills out of the deal as Micky is probably having a hard time looking at his current 28 million dollar tax bill.


Miami Heat deals

SG/SF Duncan Robinson 18.1
SF Caleb Martin 6'8
PG Dru Smith(Contract dump) 1.8 million
2027 pick swap
2028 1st round pick
2030 1st round pick

25 million out

to Hawks for

PG Dejounte Murray
PG Patty Mills
Future 2nd round pick

26.7 million in

I just can't stop thinking about the opportunity cost here.

Murray is a fine player, even if I don't like his game I'll admit he's a big upgrade over our current PGs.

But if we're giving all this package for him, you're just giving up on getting a D.Mitchell or any other real Allstar guard.

If we add just one more assets to this package, don't you think we can go after the real big fish?

This move just feels so..treadmilly.

You still have a 1st or 2, Herro, Murray to recoup assets if needed. We’d be able to work something out

[MettaWorldPanda]

C Bam Adebayo C Thomas Bryant C Orlando Robinson
PF Nikola Jovic PF Kevin Love PF Haywood Highsmith
SF Jimmy Butler SF Jaime Jaquez Jr SF Jamal Cain
SG Tyler Herro SG Josh Richardson SG Cole Swider
PG Dejounte Murray PG Kyle Lowry PG Patty Mills

If the Hawks don't want to eat so much money we can work out this deal to include Patty Mills and they end up eating Dru Smith's contract in the process. It would put us 1.725 million away from the super tax and allow for prorated signings of Swider and Cain. My first guess is the Heat will do everything possible to get the Hawks to eat as much money this year as possible keeping Mills out of the deal as Micky is probably having a hard time looking at his current 28 million dollar tax bill.


Miami Heat deals

SG/SF Duncan Robinson 18.1
SF Caleb Martin 6'8
PG Dru Smith(Contract dump) 1.8 million
2027 pick swap
2028 1st round pick
2030 1st round pick

25 million out

to Hawks for

PG Dejounte Murray
PG Patty Mills
Future 2nd round pick

26.7 million in

I just can't stop thinking about the opportunity cost here.

Murray is a fine player, even if I don't like his game I'll admit he's a big upgrade over our current PGs.

But if we're giving all this package for him, you're just giving up on getting a D.Mitchell or any other real Allstar guard.

If we add just one more assets to this package, don't you think we can go after the real big fish?

This move just feels so..treadmilly.

You still have a 1st or 2, Herro, Murray to recoup assets if needed. We’d be able to work something out

THANK YOU!!!

[MettaWorldPanda]

C Bam Adebayo C Thomas Bryant C Orlando Robinson
PF Nikola Jovic PF Kevin Love PF Haywood Highsmith
SF Jimmy Butler SF Jaime Jaquez Jr SF Jamal Cain
SG Tyler Herro SG Josh Richardson SG Cole Swider
PG Dejounte Murray PG Kyle Lowry PG Patty Mills

If the Hawks don't want to eat so much money we can work out this deal to include Patty Mills and they end up eating Dru Smith's contract in the process. It would put us 1.725 million away from the super tax and allow for prorated signings of Swider and Cain. My first guess is the Heat will do everything possible to get the Hawks to eat as much money this year as possible keeping Mills out of the deal as Micky is probably having a hard time looking at his current 28 million dollar tax bill.


Miami Heat deals

SG/SF Duncan Robinson 18.1
SF Caleb Martin 6'8
PG Dru Smith(Contract dump) 1.8 million
2027 pick swap
2028 1st round pick
2030 1st round pick

25 million out

to Hawks for

PG Dejounte Murray
PG Patty Mills
Future 2nd round pick

26.7 million in

I just can't stop thinking about the opportunity cost here.

Murray is a fine player, even if I don't like his game I'll admit he's a big upgrade over our current PGs.

But if we're giving all this package for him, you're just giving up on getting a D.Mitchell or any other real Allstar guard.

If we add just one more assets to this package, don't you think we can go after the real big fish?

This move just feels so..treadmilly.

You still have a 1st or 2, Herro, Murray to recoup assets if needed. We’d be able to work something out

THANK YOU!!!

[wadenation305]

I'd take Murray depending on the cost just on the simple fact that when we go to a negotiating table just on the name it's already a lot more favorable than anything we have in the eyes of other FOs. It would be interesting to see the excuse for us having to include Murray, Herro, JJJ, and Jovic for Lavine (To start talks) lol

[twix2500]

I think the Hawks are trying to remodel around Trae not unload salaries. But I am very unsure how they want to remodel. However they are not just giving away players, and are likely still in a win now mode.

[AirP.]

Oh weird... another high minute guy probably out while another high minute guy is now probable. Not staying it's wrong but it's probably the best way to deal with player minutes without pinching someone's minutes.

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[twix2500]

Oh weird... another high minute guy probably out while another high minute guy is now probable. Not staying it's wrong but it's probably the best way to deal with player minutes without pinching someone's minutes.

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MORE point Jaime and Jovic

[greg4012]

C Bam Adebayo C Thomas Bryant C Orlando Robinson
PF Nikola Jovic PF Kevin Love PF Haywood Highsmith
SF Jimmy Butler SF Jaime Jaquez Jr SF Jamal Cain
SG Tyler Herro SG Josh Richardson SG Cole Swider
PG Dejounte Murray PG Kyle Lowry PG Patty Mills

If the Hawks don't want to eat so much money we can work out this deal to include Patty Mills and they end up eating Dru Smith's contract in the process. It would put us 1.725 million away from the super tax and allow for prorated signings of Swider and Cain. My first guess is the Heat will do everything possible to get the Hawks to eat as much money this year as possible keeping Mills out of the deal as Micky is probably having a hard time looking at his current 28 million dollar tax bill.


Miami Heat deals

SG/SF Duncan Robinson 18.1
SF Caleb Martin 6'8
PG Dru Smith(Contract dump) 1.8 million
2027 pick swap
2028 1st round pick
2030 1st round pick

25 million out

to Hawks for

PG Dejounte Murray
PG Patty Mills
Future 2nd round pick

26.7 million in

I just can't stop thinking about the opportunity cost here.

Murray is a fine player, even if I don't like his game I'll admit he's a big upgrade over our current PGs.

But if we're giving all this package for him, you're just giving up on getting a D.Mitchell or any other real Allstar guard.

If we add just one more assets to this package, don't you think we can go after the real big fish?

This move just feels so..treadmilly.

I def get where you're coming from, the idea of being stuck without trade-enticing assets for so long and building up just enough and then using them on something less than a lead scoring star guard that can go toe-to-toe with the top offensive guys in the league def stings. But, like some others have mentioned it's all about cost and being able to maintain some assets for supplementary future moves. It's a tough pill to swallow reasonably disqualifying Miami from any future sweepstakes for someone like Mitchell or Fox by exhausting some of the few FRPs we have. But, there are a lot of teams out there with A LOT of draft capital right now that can dwarf our offer today.

The other side of it is while Murray doesn't fit the bill of true lead scoring guard. He is the next best thing--a capable 3-level scorer that can actually run the offense AND serve as the point of attack defender this team has been sorely lacking this season. The fit makes a ton of sense in terms of both allowing Murray to play to his strengths AND allow the rest of our personnel to slot back into their more natural roles. Herro can play more off-ball, while still having some secondary playmaking. Bam can benefit from having more looks created for him while still serving as a secondary playmaker. Jimmy can pick his spots while allowing a true point to run the show. Miami's defensive personnel goes from a question mark of how much Bam and Haywood need to cover for weaker lineups to instead rarely hiding more than one defender. That dynamic point of attack defense allows Bam to prioritize more paint protection and turnovers, allows Jimmy to loosen up his burden and play more like a ballhawk safety.

In this hypo, I can realistically see Miami becoming the best defense in the NBA during a playoff run.

[twix2500]

C Bam Adebayo C Thomas Bryant C Orlando Robinson
PF Nikola Jovic PF Kevin Love PF Haywood Highsmith
SF Jimmy Butler SF Jaime Jaquez Jr SF Jamal Cain
SG Tyler Herro SG Josh Richardson SG Cole Swider
PG Dejounte Murray PG Kyle Lowry PG Patty Mills

If the Hawks don't want to eat so much money we can work out this deal to include Patty Mills and they end up eating Dru Smith's contract in the process. It would put us 1.725 million away from the super tax and allow for prorated signings of Swider and Cain. My first guess is the Heat will do everything possible to get the Hawks to eat as much money this year as possible keeping Mills out of the deal as Micky is probably having a hard time looking at his current 28 million dollar tax bill.


Miami Heat deals

SG/SF Duncan Robinson 18.1
SF Caleb Martin 6'8
PG Dru Smith(Contract dump) 1.8 million
2027 pick swap
2028 1st round pick
2030 1st round pick

25 million out

to Hawks for

PG Dejounte Murray
PG Patty Mills
Future 2nd round pick

26.7 million in

I just can't stop thinking about the opportunity cost here.

Murray is a fine player, even if I don't like his game I'll admit he's a big upgrade over our current PGs.

But if we're giving all this package for him, you're just giving up on getting a D.Mitchell or any other real Allstar guard.

If we add just one more assets to this package, don't you think we can go after the real big fish?

This move just feels so..treadmilly.

I def get where you're coming from, the idea of being stuck without trade-enticing assets for so long and building up just enough and then using them on something less than a lead scoring star guard that can go toe-to-toe with the top offensive guys in the league def stings. But, like some others have mentioned it's all about cost and being able to maintain some assets for supplementary future moves. It's a tough pill to swallow reasonably disqualifying Miami from any future sweepstakes for someone like Mitchell or Fox by exhausting some of the few FRPs we have. But, there are a lot of teams out there with A LOT of draft capital right now that can dwarf our offer today.

The other side of it is while Murray doesn't fit the bill of true lead scoring guard. He is the next best thing--a capable 3-level scorer that can actually run the offense AND serve as the point of attack defender this team has been sorely lacking this season. The fit makes a ton of sense in terms of both allowing Murray to play to his strengths AND allow the rest of our personnel to slot back into their more natural roles. Herro can play more off-ball, while still having some secondary playmaking. Bam can benefit from having more looks created for him while still serving as a secondary playmaker. Jimmy can pick his spots while allowing a true point to run the show. Miami's defensive personnel goes from a question mark of how much Bam and Haywood need to cover for weaker lineups to instead rarely hiding more than one defender. That dynamic point of attack defense allows Bam to prioritize more paint protection and turnovers, allows Jimmy to loosen up his burden and play more like a ballhawk safety.

In this hypo, I can realistically see Miami becoming the best defense in the NBA during a playoff run.

Yall give too many people the 3 level scorer title. Some too satisfied with someone being mediocre or average at something. Elite wins not average. You don't look at a boxer and say he can win a chip because he average at everything. Being average at everything is not a recipe for a chip. You want to be elite at something that your weakness not something easy to expose. Find an identity and be elite at it.

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[MettaWorldPanda]

I think the Hawks are trying to remodel around Trae not unload salaries. But I am very unsure how they want to remodel. However they are not just giving away players, and are likely still in a win now mode.

Then you would think adding another non ball dominant shooter like Duncan and trying to retain Martin who helps there defense along with the picks there getting is exactly what they would be looking for. The best of both worlds. Getting seasoned players and picks.

[greg4012]

I just can't stop thinking about the opportunity cost here.

Murray is a fine player, even if I don't like his game I'll admit he's a big upgrade over our current PGs.

But if we're giving all this package for him, you're just giving up on getting a D.Mitchell or any other real Allstar guard.

If we add just one more assets to this package, don't you think we can go after the real big fish?

This move just feels so..treadmilly.

I def get where you're coming from, the idea of being stuck without trade-enticing assets for so long and building up just enough and then using them on something less than a lead scoring star guard that can go toe-to-toe with the top offensive guys in the league def stings. But, like some others have mentioned it's all about cost and being able to maintain some assets for supplementary future moves. It's a tough pill to swallow reasonably disqualifying Miami from any future sweepstakes for someone like Mitchell or Fox by exhausting some of the few FRPs we have. But, there are a lot of teams out there with A LOT of draft capital right now that can dwarf our offer today.

The other side of it is while Murray doesn't fit the bill of true lead scoring guard. He is the next best thing--a capable 3-level scorer that can actually run the offense AND serve as the point of attack defender this team has been sorely lacking this season. The fit makes a ton of sense in terms of both allowing Murray to play to his strengths AND allow the rest of our personnel to slot back into their more natural roles. Herro can play more off-ball, while still having some secondary playmaking. Bam can benefit from having more looks created for him while still serving as a secondary playmaker. Jimmy can pick his spots while allowing a true point to run the show. Miami's defensive personnel goes from a question mark of how much Bam and Haywood need to cover for weaker lineups to instead rarely hiding more than one defender. That dynamic point of attack defense allows Bam to prioritize more paint protection and turnovers, allows Jimmy to loosen up his burden and play more like a ballhawk safety.

In this hypo, I can realistically see Miami becoming the best defense in the NBA during a playoff run.

Yall give too many people the 3 level scorer title. Some too satisfied with someone being mediocre or average at something. Elite wins not average. You don't look at a boxer and say he can win a chip because he average at everything. Being average at everything is not a recipe for a chip. You want to be elite at something that your weakness not something easy to expose. Find an identity and be elite at it.

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What an elite post! Did you see me qualify that he's a "capable 3-level scorer"? Or did you just want a strawman towards which to orient your soap box?

You're saying that Murray wouldn't immediately be the best slashing guard on our roster the second he was added?

It's not about him being elite at it--which he clearly isn't. It's about another high usage player functioning in a manner that he can create rim pressure and generate offense from that, while not solely being limited to that. The SAS version of Murray was an above average slasher and impactful playmaker off that slashing.

IDK if you've paid any attention to Murray but he's actually a super effective midrange shooter. Over 35% of his FGA historically come from the midrange and he converts them at very healthy clips. The biggest question for me is if his 3 point shooting is real enough.

[twix2500]

I think the Hawks are trying to remodel around Trae not unload salaries. But I am very unsure how they want to remodel. However they are not just giving away players, and are likely still in a win now mode.

Then you would think adding another non ball dominant shooter like Duncan and trying to retain Martin who helps there defense along with the picks there getting is exactly what they would be looking for. The best of both worlds. Getting seasoned players and picks.

I assume they are looking to move a package to get a star. I did hear they are targeting Siakum. So they are probably targeting a go-too player. They have shooters.