BRUNiNHO91 wrote:GoCeltics123 wrote:BRUNiNHO91 wrote:
He is nowhere near 15th. He is like Darvin Ham bad. Bottom 3 easily.
This is obviously mostly on the players, sure. But why though? It’s a system where if the 3’s don’t fall they have NOTHING else to land on, they don’t play defense if their 3pt shot doesn’t fall and hey..they don’t like teams that push back. It’s why they struggle with teams like Miami and all these teams like the Magic and Minny who come at them like they don’t give a ****.
People get mad when we complain about L’s in January..but it’s not about the L’s. A loss today would be normal. It’s because the L’s always highlight the reasons why we fall short every single damn year.
They would not be 29-9 if he was that bad and the players would've given up on him like they did Ham. Like, this is a joke dude.
Their counter for missing 3s all year was KP in the post and it's worked many times, they've won at least like 5-7 games this year where they've been outshot from 3. You are speaking about a last year thing, not this year.
Like I understand disliking Joe's style but putting him next to Darvin Ham is a complete insult to him, Ham is under .500 with a team that made the WCF last year and his players are openly quitting on him.
Also struggle with the Magic? The same team they blew out twice in Boston, once completely shorthanded? And the Wolves, who have the best defense in the league? Hell they were calling for Chris Finch to be fired last year now look at them.
Joe is not an elite coach but people that say he's a bottom 3 coach are hilarious dude, like if he's bottom 3, then guys like Ham, Vogel, Adrian Griffin, Quin Snyder, Jason Kidd, etc. should be coaching HS ball with the seasons they're having. Joe is average, not elite and people on here that don't watch the rest of the league say he's bottom 3 lmao
Players gave up on Brad Stevens and he was a brilliant **** coach. That makes no sense.
Orlando wiped the floor with them last year and beat their asses in the IST again before we got two on them. It’s a team we tend to struggle with, I never said we can’t beat them.
How many of those 5-7 games were against teams worth a damn?
I’m not a believer in the way this team plays and that they can win it with Mazzula. They still run too much iso, they still rely too much on talent, their drop coverage defense is still meh, the new zone thing they ran hasn’t been too effective. People want to talk about the back to back but when we beat Milwaukee last game they mopped us in the 4th and if we had to play another 45 seconds we probably would have lost that also.
We can bring up all the stats in the world to back up everything that has been done, but when the real games come around will those stats last? Because I had similar arguments last year and the stats got brought up, the ‘it’s only January’ excuses got brought up, the ‘they are the best in the NBA, Joe won coach of the month, they are top 2 in defense..bla bla bla. but we all saw what happened in the end and how they died a similar death once again. I want to be wrong, I really do, but I see them dying that death again. But yall do you.
Because honestly, Brad himself was checked out and the locker room was immature. The team brought in Ime to yell at them and call them losers for that reason, but he couldn't keep his dick in his pants and the team had to fire him.
Last year's team was coming off losing by 33 to Shai-less OKC at this point of the season, and were 3 wins worse. And again, THAT TEAM DID NOT HAVE KRISTAPS PORZINGIS. The Celtics have a counter to switching defense that they didn't have last year, period. The thing that doomed them against Miami was Miami switched everything and we had no counter to it since they didn't have an inside threat, this year they do. KP's been killing switches all season.
"When real games come around" is impossible to judge for this game because the circumstances for this game were brutal. The Celtics have had some bad endings to games this year, but if you look really, almost all of them have come without KP (@GS, @ORL he got hurt, @IND). KP's health (whole team's really but especially his) kinda determines the difference between this team winning a title and not imo.
I don't think Joe is a great coach by any means, he's average and definitely has flaws. But Mike Malone wasn't, Mike Budenholzer wasn't, hell Doc Rivers wasn't. The drop coverage is fine, because KP is limited and can't switch, and his job is rim protection. The zone worked great against Indy like a week ago, just not the Bucks.
