PG: Thibs Game Plans for Kyrie ........ NOT !!!!

[cgf]

I will have to admit I was dead wrong about DiVincenzo

Dude has been an absolute steal of a pickup for us

I still have concerns about the long term viability of a Brunson/DDV backcourt on defense, but I don't even question it when he shoots, I just always assume it's going in, and that's something we haven't had in I don't know how long.

Totally agree when he shoots I fully expect it go in from deep. So as you look at this roster DOT - we needed a PG and got one in Brunson. Lacked knock down shooting and signed DDV. Needed a backup C in iHart at $8M whose value/production is now closer to a $16-17M center. For all the smack we talk about Josh Hart even he provided something we were missing from the team. We desperately needed a wing who can play D and shoot the 3 so we acquired OG. What would your next move be?

Someone to backfill for IQ like Bogdan Bogdanovic, and some Mitch insurance.

[Capn'O]

Was great to see two of the smoothest players in the league going at it.

Besides Kyrie being ridiculous, the Mavs had many bounces going their way and they were uncharacteristically feisty on the boards. Just like the Mavs lost to the depleted Grizzlies the other day, this was NY's turn to lay an egg and it took various things happening for the L to happen. Nothing to see here, the NBA has too many games and nights like this happen. I know, I'll gtfo now.

Do you see any nexus between Doncic being out and that feistiness? Sometimes teams play a little differently when their lead is out. We saw this with Phoenix too - Durant was out and the Suns came out swinging and Booker was good enough to make some key plays late.

[Jalen Bluntson]

The thing is, how does another playmaker help Randle not turn it over recklessly. He did it with IQ and RJ just as much. They are a lot better moving the ball but that’s not how he wants to play.

Oh well, broken record.

You make a fair point. But to play devils advocate - we’ve been having Randle run a lot with the 2nd unit and we have no other option when it comes to creating a play out of nothing. Randle tries to spray it out, but he also feels the pressure of having to be the guy to break down the defense. That’s why you’ll see a lot of dribbling into traffic, getting stripped with his back turned, offensive fouls and even just bail out shot attempts. When Brunson sits even for 10-12min our offense has a helter-skelter feel to it as there doesn’t appear to be any fluidity. We can leave the roster as it is but I’m not in love with the Hart-McBride-Grimes trio. One guy who can’t dribble, one guy who can’t shoot and another who can’t create. That’s not a Bond Martini we’re looking at.

This!
Hit the music!!!
Brogdon/Olynyk 2024
The change we need!!!

[WargamesX]

I think defensively the knicks really missed Mitch and his paint intimidation and offensively we really could have used a player who could have let both Randle and Brunson work off board.

The Mavs did what Miami did to beat the knicks they got physical and fought hard for rebounds. The new wrinkle they added was going three guard small and just attacking the paint.

Offensively, if the knicks had two ball handling guards the strategy of putting your best guard defender on Brunson becomes a lot less effective.

With that said there aren't a lot of teams that have groups of guards like this, but this wasn't a fluke they exploited the weaknesses on the roster and came in ready to get physical.

[Besart19]

Randle, Mitch and 4 picks for Embiid

Fournier, Flynn, Rokas and 4 picks for Mitchell

Embiid / Hart
Anunoby / draft
Grimes / Hart
Mitchell / Donte
Brunson / Deuce

[Deeeez Knicks]

The bigger question then another bench player/scorer is, can we contend with Randle and Brunson as our 2 best players? If the answer is no, then forget about trading assets for a bench guy. We need to save up for a legit top 2 option type.

[jvsimonetti0514]

All you guys can talk about is getting creators

We lost because our defense and rebounding was bad tonight

And our coach was truly clueless in what turned out to be a winnable game

We also lost because we didn’t have enough clean offense to get over the hump once we buckled down and started getting stops to make our run.

Another creator maybe means those 2 Randle charges in a row don’t happen cuz he doesn’t have to force it.

Another creator maybe means DDV doesn’t get that charge on the 2-on-1 break if he trusts another ballhandler to give the ball up to.

You have to have good enough play on both sides of the ball to win. Let’s not romanticize defense as the only crucial element. The Mavs illustrated you can win with great shotmaking ability too. Which is why we all respect Kyrie’s offense. Even if most don’t like HIM.

I really don’t know how this isn’t a MUCH bigger issue for people. It’s almost as if we purposely have short memories.

We just spent the last two months destroying RJ because he had zero chemistry with the 2nd unit. Countless times it was debated ad nauseam how he couldn’t thrive with the bench and ultimately stand out.

The second unit right now is like an orchestra with no conductor. We’re playing at a slower pace, using up 21 seconds of the shot clock and a lot of what we see are bail out shot attempts by Julius, rushed 3s by Grimes and J Hart pump-faking or driving into no man’s land. I like how McBride is showing confidence in his shot but he couldn’t run an offense if his life depended on it. It’s not even fair to knock him for that because he doesn’t see the court that way.

Again, when Randles sees doubles in the playoffs and Brunson has a ball hawking wing on him what is Thibs counter punch going to be? His answer is simply going to be to play them both 42min nightly. If this FO is smart they will prevent Tom from his own self sabotage.

Back up wing was such a huge issue for months and but there’s a lot of wait and see about needing a third creator. When it’s pretty clear that this is way bigger deal than that ever was. The blazers are able to hold us scoreless for like 7 minutes and we allowed the wizards back into the game too cuz we couldn’t score. It’s not really a Thibs issue, the front office put him in this position and they’ll have to get him out of it by making another trade.

[SelbyCobra]

The bigger question then another bench player/scorer is, can we contend with Randle and Brunson as our 2 best players? If the answer is no, then forget about trading assets for a bench guy. We need to save up for a legit top 2 option type.

Totally agree.

You can contend with those two, but not reliably or predictably - it would be a fluke/opportunistic/luck situation for it to actually work. Basically you'd have to have everything go perfectly for your roster, and then also catch breaks on matchups and opponents along the way.

That's why I advocate for Donovan Mitchell, even if I recognize the potential downside and/or shortcomings.

[robillionaire]

https://nypost.com/2023/05/12/knicks-battle-but-fall-in-season-ending-game-6-loss-to-heat/amp/

The Heat, thoroughly outplayed by a dominant Brunson in the first quarter, went on an 8-0 blitz as soon as the star guard finally got a breather in the second. Miami, which had been down as many as 14 points, took the lead and went on to eliminate the Knicks with a 96-92 Game 6 victory.

Does anybody want to see this again? We all thought IQ could spell Brunson in the playoffs and he looked more afraid of the bright lights than Jarrett Allen. We just gonna sit back and trust that Grimes/McBride will shine with larger roles? You want Josh Hart to do more? Be realistic here we have a glaring issue and it’s going to rear it’s ugly head again.

For the record this one wasn’t IQ he was injured in that game and it was McBride backing him up but your point stands

[3toheadmelo]

The bigger question then another bench player/scorer is, can we contend with Randle and Brunson as our 2 best players? If the answer is no, then forget about trading assets for a bench guy. We need to save up for a legit top 2 option type.

Totally agree.

You can contend with those two, but not reliably or predictably - it would be a fluke/opportunistic/luck situation for it to actually work. Basically you'd have to have everything go perfectly for your roster, and then also catch breaks on matchups and opponents along the way.

That's why I advocate for Donovan Mitchell, even if I recognize the potential downside and/or shortcomings.

only problem is that we will have to wait for the offseason because the cavs aren't entertaining any trade talks for him now. so do we go after dejounte murray now instead is the bigger question

[Deeeez Knicks]

https://nypost.com/2023/05/12/knicks-battle-but-fall-in-season-ending-game-6-loss-to-heat/amp/

The Heat, thoroughly outplayed by a dominant Brunson in the first quarter, went on an 8-0 blitz as soon as the star guard finally got a breather in the second. Miami, which had been down as many as 14 points, took the lead and went on to eliminate the Knicks with a 96-92 Game 6 victory.

Does anybody want to see this again? We all thought IQ could spell Brunson in the playoffs and he looked more afraid of the bright lights than Jarrett Allen. We just gonna sit back and trust that Grimes/McBride will shine with larger roles? You want Josh Hart to do more? Be realistic here we have a glaring issue and it’s going to rear it’s ugly head again.

For the record this one wasn’t IQ he was injured in that game and it was McBride backing him up but your point stands

The non-Brunson starters shot 5 for 30, shooting 17%. Deuce was not the reason we lost that game.

[Oscirus]

Dallas was smoking hot, the refs were on the Mavs side, and the Knicks still only lost by 1 rebound. What are people bitching about? These type of games happen. Whats with all this doom saying?

[Dirk]

Was great to see two of the smoothest players in the league going at it.

Besides Kyrie being ridiculous, the Mavs had many bounces going their way and they were uncharacteristically feisty on the boards. Just like the Mavs lost to the depleted Grizzlies the other day, this was NY's turn to lay an egg and it took various things happening for the L to happen. Nothing to see here, the NBA has too many games and nights like this happen. I know, I'll gtfo now.

Do you see any nexus between Doncic being out and that feistiness? Sometimes teams play a little differently when their lead is out. We saw this with Phoenix too - Durant was out and the Suns came out swinging and Booker was good enough to make some key plays late.

I think it's fair to ask if other players step up and assume more responsibility with his absence, but the Mavs had a great gutsy win against the Wolves just before being embarrassed by the Grizzlies, so it feels it's more like a result of the cliché "its a miss or make league". Mavs scored 44 in the 1st quarter. They couldnt hit anything the previous game.

I literally was expecting the Knicks to come back and win the whole way. The Mavs are too small and gimmicky right now, so that was a great win for them. But they probably drop the next one (Pels on a b2b).

[DaGawd]

The bigger question then another bench player/scorer is, can we contend with Randle and Brunson as our 2 best players? If the answer is no, then forget about trading assets for a bench guy. We need to save up for a legit top 2 option type.

then we need that guy to actually be available sometime soon

[Jalen Bluntson]

The bigger question then another bench player/scorer is, can we contend with Randle and Brunson as our 2 best players? If the answer is no, then forget about trading assets for a bench guy. We need to save up for a legit top 2 option type.

Are there any on the market right now? If the answer is no, then we need to use the expiring assets we have(Evan/this years picks) to upgrade the bench. We have to roll over Evans salary no matter what the answer to your question is. Keeping him hostage is not the answer...as some have suggested.

If I were the GM...
HIT THE MUSIC!
BROGDON/OLYNYK 2024
THE CHANGE WE NEED!!!

[robillionaire]

https://nypost.com/2023/05/12/knicks-battle-but-fall-in-season-ending-game-6-loss-to-heat/amp/



Does anybody want to see this again? We all thought IQ could spell Brunson in the playoffs and he looked more afraid of the bright lights than Jarrett Allen. We just gonna sit back and trust that Grimes/McBride will shine with larger roles? You want Josh Hart to do more? Be realistic here we have a glaring issue and it’s going to rear it’s ugly head again.

For the record this one wasn’t IQ he was injured in that game and it was McBride backing him up but your point stands

The non-Brunson starters shot 5 for 30, shooting 17%. Deuce was not the reason we lost that game.

it’s not his fault we lost I didn’t even say that but Thibs didn’t trust him and still doesn’t trust him so Brunson is going to have to play 40+mpg from here on out and that’s probably not good

[robillionaire]

The bigger question then another bench player/scorer is, can we contend with Randle and Brunson as our 2 best players? If the answer is no, then forget about trading assets for a bench guy. We need to save up for a legit top 2 option type.

then we need that guy to actually be available sometime soon

Based on the fact we are just talking about some hypothetical guy we can conclude that they aren’t . I’d rather just improve the current team

[Capn'O]

Was great to see two of the smoothest players in the league going at it.

Besides Kyrie being ridiculous, the Mavs had many bounces going their way and they were uncharacteristically feisty on the boards. Just like the Mavs lost to the depleted Grizzlies the other day, this was NY's turn to lay an egg and it took various things happening for the L to happen. Nothing to see here, the NBA has too many games and nights like this happen. I know, I'll gtfo now.

Do you see any nexus between Doncic being out and that feistiness? Sometimes teams play a little differently when their lead is out. We saw this with Phoenix too - Durant was out and the Suns came out swinging and Booker was good enough to make some key plays late.

I think it's fair to ask if other players step up and assume more responsibility with his absence, but the Mavs had a great gutsy win against the Wolves just before being embarrassed by the Grizzlies, so it feels it's more like a result of the cliché "its a miss or make league". Mavs scored 44 in the 1st quarter. They couldnt hit anything the previous game.

I literally was expecting the Knicks to come back and win the whole way. The Mavs are too small and gimmicky right now, so that was a great win for them. But they probably drop the next one (Pels on a b2b).

I thought we were gonna too

Mavs best move was to come out with a nut punch and they did. As you say, it helped that the shots were falling. I don't think the Knicks anticipated that sort of energy. After that, it felt like Grant Williams was pulling some wily BS every other play and I was like "they can't keep getting away with this!" I really liked Green though. Seems like he's hit or miss but he played great yesterday.

[WargamesX]

The bigger question then another bench player/scorer is, can we contend with Randle and Brunson as our 2 best players? If the answer is no, then forget about trading assets for a bench guy. We need to save up for a legit top 2 option type.

Totally agree.

You can contend with those two, but not reliably or predictably - it would be a fluke/opportunistic/luck situation for it to actually work. Basically you'd have to have everything go perfectly for your roster, and then also catch breaks on matchups and opponents along the way.

That's why I advocate for Donovan Mitchell, even if I recognize the potential downside and/or shortcomings.

I think we're closer than most people realize. Especially with Mitch coming back . Then the main thing this teams needs to make it a defender is a 3rd scorer/bench PG. Thibs is only going to run a 8 man rotation (maybe 9)

Brunson
OG
Randle
IHart
DDV
Hart
Mitch

If they plug the right guy as the 8th guy then I think they got a legit chance. Especially if Mcbride is used in spurts to give opposing team guards trouble.

[robillionaire]

The bigger question then another bench player/scorer is, can we contend with Randle and Brunson as our 2 best players? If the answer is no, then forget about trading assets for a bench guy. We need to save up for a legit top 2 option type.

Totally agree.

You can contend with those two, but not reliably or predictably - it would be a fluke/opportunistic/luck situation for it to actually work. Basically you'd have to have everything go perfectly for your roster, and then also catch breaks on matchups and opponents along the way.

That's why I advocate for Donovan Mitchell, even if I recognize the potential downside and/or shortcomings.

I think we're closer than most people realize. Especially with Mitch coming back . Then the main thing this teams needs to make it a defender is a 3rd scorer/bench PG. Thibs is only going to run a 8 man rotation (maybe 9)

Brunson
OG
Randle
IHart
DDV
Hart
Mitch

If they plug the right guy as the 8th guy then I think they got a legit chance. Especially if Mcbride is used in spurts to give opposing team guards trouble.

So what you’re saying is we need to trade grimes