Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 2

[StopitLeo]

Dal: Siakam, Poeltl
Tor: Lively, Green, G. Williams, R. Holmes, G. Harris, 25' Den 1st (via ORL), 26' Dal 1st
ORL: Hardaway Jr, Garrett Temple

Salary works based on the trade machine? Framework is there

Why is Orlando involved?

Could just do:

DAL gets: Siakam + Poeltl + McDaniels
TOR gets: Green + Lively + Holmes + THJ + Kleber

I don’t think Dallas can afford to trade Grant Williams.

[PD28]

Kuminga isn't a starter in this league. They can try to make him look better to raise his value, but he trash.

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[Zeno]

Can someone explain to me why Jarace Walker is so highly regarded around here? He’s played in 12 games in the NBA and proved literally nothing.

I’m just so confused even Woj said the Pacers wouldn’t trade Walker for Siakam? They wouldn’t trade a guy not playing for an all nba level player?

Am I missing something?

because of all the teams interested, and the plausible players to be had, he has the most potential.
basically best of the small subset.

Honestly it is probably just negotiation. You are trading for a guy who you are going to have to pay the max for 4 years that plays his position. Makes little sense.

[Spates]

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If we could get Grant Williams over Holmes, I think it's a win. Also, I figured in this deal Dallas would want OPJ over Temple.

Raps are moving towards have playmaking at every position. Lively doesn't necessary fit that mold.

[Tor_Raps]

If allstars/all nba players are so easy to get with the trash being offered to us, why can't be we include Dick/Trent/Boucher/Thad for one? Lol

[WuTang_CMB]

ya screech powers would like that dallas deal
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[LoveMyRaps]

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If we could get Grant Williams over Holmes, I think it's a win. Also, I figured in this deal Dallas would want OPJ over Temple.

Raps are moving towards have playmaking at every position. Lively doesn't necessary fit that mold.

If Tim Hardaway and Grant Williams are the main pieces we get back for Siakam, Masai needs to be fired on the spot.

[islandboy53]

Things in our favor:

Siakam looks like the best guy available
Traded OG means one less guy on mkt
Trading OG showed mkt the return he expects
Trading OG showed mkt the Raps WERE serious about trading, unlike other years
GSW getting ultimatum from Curry
Dallas feeling they are 1 big move away from winning it all

Masai has history of taking the chance on a UFA that was not likely to re-sign but did it and won a championship. He can try and convince teams that think Siakam is that missing piece since they already have their star in place. "If you think you can win, have the guts to go after it".

Indy does make sense...

They say no to Ben....then Walker is a must(assuming we believe in his future)
Hield due to cap
Nesmith to replace OG as 3&D is cheap and signed a few years

If we got that, it at least fits, gives us 2 young guys(1 very young) and we maybe could flip Hield for a 1st+filler...or try and get a young SG for the bench to replace GTJ...who we could also move for a few 2nds.

Hield doesn't work cap wise as a salary filler for a Walker+Nesmith base. Pacers have roughly 6.4M in cap space and Hield+Walker+Nesmith for Siakam is 6.9M more incoming salary than outgoing salary for the Pacers (Nesmith poison pill doesn't affect Pacers outgoing salary in a trade). If Bruce Brown is the salary filler instead it works though.

It works fine with Hield. The trade takes Indiana over the cap, so they operate as an over the cap team, meaning they can take back 125% of outgoing salaries. Check it on Fanspo.

[PhilBlackson]

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This is horrendous.
Lively AND OMax have to be part of the deal. Not one, BOTH!

I really don't think DAL will bend on Lively, he just makes Luka extremely hard to deal with in a PnR and anchors their defence when him & Kyrie are awful defenders (KI on rare occasion can lock in a lil bit) but he's pretty integral in how effective both guys are on either end of the court.

I would say however that maybe they could push for Hardy to be included. Green to me is just what I think Masai hoped Gary would be more like. Personally really not that interested in a deal with DAL, I'd obv put them over that garbage SAC package but I'll gladly take a GSW deal over this one and I don't even love it but I'm confident we could get what we'd want there. Ideally though we either do a deal with DET (Ausar) or IND (Walker). It's all about who has the best prospect for me.

[Raps in 4]

Dal: Siakam, Poeltl
Tor: Lively, Green, G. Williams, R. Holmes, G. Harris, 25' Den 1st (via ORL), 26' Dal 1st
ORL: Hardaway Jr, Garrett Temple

Salary works based on the trade machine? Framework is there

Why is Orlando involved?

Could just do:

DAL gets: Siakam + Poeltl + McDaniels
TOR gets: Green + Lively + Holmes + THJ + Kleber

I don’t think Dallas can afford to trade Grant Williams.

Throw in some FRPs and I'd do it.

[LoveMyRaps]

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This is horrendous.
Lively AND OMax have to be part of the deal. Not one, BOTH!

I really don't think DAL will bend on Lively, he just makes Luka extremely hard to deal with in a PnR and anchors their defence when him & Kyrie are awful defenders (KI on rare occasion can lock in a lil bit) but he's pretty integral in how effective both guys are on either end of the court.

I would say however that maybe they could push for Hardy to be included. Green to me is just what I think Masai hoped Gary would be more like. Personally really not that interested in a deal with DAL, I'd obv put them over that garbage SAC package but I'll gladly take a GSW deal over this one and I don't even love it but I'm confident we could get what we'd want there. Ideally though we either do a deal with DET (Ausar) or IND (Walker). It's all about who has the best prospect for me.

Then they can see themselves out.
Hardy and Green are nothing special.

[alpngso]

Dal: Siakam, Poeltl
Tor: Lively, Green, G. Williams, R. Holmes, G. Harris, 25' Den 1st (via ORL), 26' Dal 1st
ORL: Hardaway Jr, Garrett Temple

Salary works based on the trade machine? Framework is there

Why is Orlando involved?

Could just do:

DAL gets: Siakam + Poeltl + McDaniels
TOR gets: Green + Lively + Holmes + THJ + Kleber

I don’t think Dallas can afford to trade Grant Williams.

I don't think DAL is trading Kleber, looks like he'll be a lifer over there like Nick Collison. Not saying he's untouchable or anything Heard Cuban and the org really really like him. ORL also could use some shooters, upgrade over Harris. Plus Raptors don't need him since GTJ still on the roster.

[LoveMyRaps]

Some of y'all need reminding as to who Pascal fkin Siakam is!

[First Step]

Some of y'all need reminding as to who Pascal fkin Siakam is!

Kyrie was traded for Spencer Dinwiddie and Dorian Finney Smith. When you have no leverage and your players contract is expiring, talent becomes a moot point.

[PhilBlackson]

This is horrendous.
Lively AND OMax have to be part of the deal. Not one, BOTH!

I really don't think DAL will bend on Lively, he just makes Luka extremely hard to deal with in a PnR and anchors their defence when him & Kyrie are awful defenders (KI on rare occasion can lock in a lil bit) but he's pretty integral in how effective both guys are on either end of the court.

I would say however that maybe they could push for Hardy to be included. Green to me is just what I think Masai hoped Gary would be more like. Personally really not that interested in a deal with DAL, I'd obv put them over that garbage SAC package but I'll gladly take a GSW deal over this one and I don't even love it but I'm confident we could get what we'd want there. Ideally though we either do a deal with DET (Ausar) or IND (Walker). It's all about who has the best prospect for me.

Then they can see themselves out.
Hardy and Green are nothing special.

Agreed.

That's why I said they're just barely a notch above that garbage SAC offer but they're still near the bottom of all potential deals for me. This deal for me would be like a worst case scenario. I just think IND is wasting time here because they have quite a bad poker face since they haven't labelled Jarace as "untouchable" but that they're "very determined to keep him"....just obvious means they're praying no one will offer their best prospect.

Problem for IND is I think GSW is the ACTUAL "worst case scenario" but they're just not ruling out DAL or SAC because of course it's more worrisome to have more competing bidders and that eventually someone else may break before you do & then TOR cashes out elsewhere. I personally don't think we're taking DAL all that serious and we "left the door" open with SAC to keep some level of leverage, that's all.

[Tripod]

Some of y'all need reminding as to who Pascal fkin Siakam is!

Kyrie was traded for Spencer Dinwiddie and Dorian Finney Smith. When you have no leverage and your players contract is expiring, talent becomes a moot point.

Being a head case matters too

[PhilBlackson]

Some of y'all need reminding as to who Pascal fkin Siakam is!

Kyrie was traded for Spencer Dinwiddie and Dorian Finney Smith. When you have no leverage and your players contract is expiring, talent becomes a moot point.

I don't think that comparison is apples to apples.

I understand at its surface it's an all-star level player with little time remaining on his contract that's also a flight risk but the character of each guy is also a massive difference. Kyrie was seen damn near toxic. He had a VERY limited market.

Pascal has no less than 5+ suitors and there's been rumblings of almost 10 teams already. That's a FAR more competitive market which should obviously also lead to better offers. I get that it's not as good as it would've/should've been had Masai done the right damn thing and moved him at last year's deadline but nonetheless Siakam is still far more sought after than Kyrie was and so it's not really worth trying to compare what KI got.

[LoveMyRaps]

Some of y'all need reminding as to who Pascal fkin Siakam is!

Kyrie was traded for Spencer Dinwiddie and Dorian Finney Smith. When you have no leverage and your players contract is expiring, talent becomes a moot point.

Kyrie was a big time question mark. He had a lot of off-court issues and a long history of bailing on teams. His reputation took a big time hit and he was even being ranked outside of the top 50 in player rankings (e.g., The Ringer). Not to mention, he was missing a ton of games (whether it be due to injury or load management).

With Siakam, you know what you're getting. One of the best PFs in the game, someone who has a relentless work ethic, steers clear of trouble, and just goes out there and hoops. Siakam has zero ego and doesn't mind being the second or even the third option, as long as it results in team wins.

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This is an awful trade.

F- grade from me.

[Raps in 4]

Can someone explain to me why Jarace Walker is so highly regarded around here? He’s played in 12 games in the NBA and proved literally nothing.

I’m just so confused even Woj said the Pacers wouldn’t trade Walker for Siakam? They wouldn’t trade a guy not playing for an all nba level player?

Am I missing something?

Because he scored 38 points that one time in the G-League.

The Pacers are absolutely willing to trade Walker, lol. I doubt Masai is interested in him though (a lot more would need be coming back than just Walker).