Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 2.0

[MettaWorldPanda]

Murray
Herro
Butler
Martin
Adebayo

Is a championship calibre 5. With Love, Rich, Jaquez and Jovic off the bench. I like it.

I’m also hoping Duncan and picks gets it done and we can keep Martin. That would be perfect world right there

[MettaWorldPanda]

But we're now squarely over the second apron and still need to add another player because we sent out three and only received two. That's not where we want to be.

How are we over the 2nd apron? I did the math already. Everything works out beautifully. Many variations to get away from the super tax this year and away from tax next year cause of Lowry’s expiring. We would have MLE money next year cause of Robinson’s deal coming off the books in the trade. If we include Bryant’s contract in the deal it’s another 2.5 off. The Murray trade offers better avenues then most.

This year, we're $25k below it but the trade presented adds $1.7 million by your numbers, and we'd still need to add another player to be roster compliant. How do we avoid it?

I worded the in and out incorrectly. We would be getting 1.7 millon away from super tax so we end up with 1.725 and can sign Swider and Cain to prorated deals.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’d move Herro for Murray.

Duncan is the better fit as the off-ball guard next to Murray.

Future cap considerations are also a factor.

I’d be trying to get Murray without Herro and possibly flipping Herro for another guy at the 4

why? Just trade Herro, then you Murray, Martin/Duncan, Butler, Jaquez and Bam to play. You seen how the team looked when Duncan replaced Herro

I’m not opposed, I’m on record here a few weeks ago saying I’d trade Herro for Murray. Duncan at the 2 would be a perfect fit next to him

[Beenie]

So Murray as the #2. If that's the commitment and goal then its worth it. Tyler would drop to a specialist 4th or 5th guy. Seeing Tyler compete for 10 shots a game with Jaquez would have his fan base revolting Civil War


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I’d move Herro for Murray.

Duncan is the better fit as the off-ball guard next to Murray.

Future cap considerations are also a factor.

I’d be trying to get Murray without Herro and possibly flipping Herro for another guy at the 4

Depends on who but I’m okay with a PF committee using the guys currently on the roster

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[MettaWorldPanda]

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How could we be surprised by this with Klutch pulling the strings. Feels like i wasted so much brain power trying to make Murray work here. Oh well i guess back to Scary Terry or Tyus Jones.

[DayofMourning]

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What he talkin bout revolving for?

[MettaWorldPanda]

Both Hachimura and Reaves become trade eligible on Jan 15th. Phuck Klutch

[DayofMourning]

Cant let Murray get away. We offering Lowry and a 2nd?

[MettaWorldPanda]

Cant let Murray get away. We offering Lowry and a 2nd?

Might not have a chance if Klutch Paul is brokering the deal.

[AirP.]

Both Hachimura and Reaves become trade eligible on Jan 15th. Phuck Klutch

They talked about this on the Lowe Post podcast, they were thinking about Murray trades, they said they could see this getting expanded with some of the parts being Murray and Bogdonvic going to the Lakers with Reaves, Hachimura, D-Lo, a 1st and possibly something else. They also mentioned the Lakers really don't want to move Reaves especially with him being on a great value contract.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Both Hachimura and Reaves become trade eligible on Jan 15th. Phuck Klutch

They talked about this on the Lowe Post podcast, they were thinking about Murray trades, they said they could see this getting expanded with some of the parts being Murray and Bogdonvic going to the Lakers with Reaves, Hachimura, D-Lo, a 1st and possibly something else. They also mentioned the Lakers really don't want to move Reaves especially with him being on a great value contract.

They’ll probably get it done without Reaves. Lebron probably requested Murray and well you know he is represented by Klutch.

[marson]

Forget the pipedreams folks. We all know the owner is cheap AF and will let Kyle Lowry's contract expire and mostly Jimmy won't let his BFF be traded.

Our best bet again would be via buyouts if there would be an available vet PG like how we got KLove last year.

[ThaFranchize84]

But we're now squarely over the second apron and still need to add another player because we sent out three and only received two. That's not where we want to be.

How are we over the 2nd apron? I did the math already. Everything works out beautifully. Many variations to get away from the super tax this year and away from tax next year cause of Lowry’s expiring. We would have MLE money next year cause of Robinson’s deal coming off the books in the trade. If we include Bryant’s contract in the deal it’s another 2.5 off. The Murray trade offers better avenues then most.

This year, we're $25k below it but the trade presented adds $1.7 million by your numbers, and we'd still need to add another player to be roster compliant. How do we avoid it?

To me you offer Robinson, Martin, 27 and 29 FRP for Murray and Bey

This lowers the Heat’s tax roll by a few million.

Murray fits great with Herro and is young enough to bridge both the Jimmy and Herro/Bam/Jaime/Jovic timelines. This balances the roster really well.

You might be able to buyout Dru Smith and sign a buyout shooter to replace Duncan or just sign Swider to that 3 yr non-guaranteed deal to be the next guy in the lineage of Heat shooters.


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[SerialChiller]

I honestly think I'm at a point where I'd rather trade Herro than Duncan lol. At least Duncan rarely misses time and fits in any lineup. Herro is kind of out of place with the starters and doesn't want to play off the bench where he'd best help the team.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I honestly think I'm at a point where I'd rather trade Herro than Duncan lol. At least Duncan rarely misses time and fits in any lineup. Herro is kind of out of place with the starters and doesn't want to play off the bench where he'd best help the team.

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If you traded Herro for someone like a Murray and starter Duncan the boost to this team would be massive. Our best stretch of the season came without Herro. Every single season when Herro goes down and we’re forced to start a 3 point specialist (Strus/Duncan) this team instantly gets better and puts up their best stretch, like last season going from a play in team to the nba finals. Herro coming off the bench and we’re the 1st seed a couple seasons ago. Herro sprains his ankle and we go on the longest win streak in years this season and win like 10 out of 11 games.

It has happened far too many times to be a coincidence. I think there are still people who refuse to see it but I think even the majority who didn’t want to believe it at first have now seen it too many times to know it’s the truth at this point.

[Hoops3355]

Forget the pipedreams folks. We all know the owner is cheap AF and will let Kyle Lowry's contract expire and mostly Jimmy won't let his BFF be traded.

Our best bet again would be via buyouts if there would be an available vet PG like how we got KLove last year.

It has nothing to do with being cheap. Kyle expiring actually gives us some flexiblity for adding pieces to the roster. You get a full MLE + we can actually bring back Kyle on a reasonable deal. Imo it's waiting for the right piece at the right price because the CAP changes really can just leave you in a sea of mediocrity for years. We're already light years ahead of the squad we had before we added Jimmy if we're really long term planning then the move is to find your next 1A since Tyler isn't that guy and Murray certainly isn't that guy either so why are you wasting assets and cap space.

Edit: Full Tax payer MLE I believe is the proper exception.

[Hoops3355]

Both Hachimura and Reaves become trade eligible on Jan 15th. Phuck Klutch

They talked about this on the Lowe Post podcast, they were thinking about Murray trades, they said they could see this getting expanded with some of the parts being Murray and Bogdonvic going to the Lakers with Reaves, Hachimura, D-Lo, a 1st and possibly something else. They also mentioned the Lakers really don't want to move Reaves especially with him being on a great value contract.

They’ll probably get it done without Reaves. Lebron probably requested Murray and well you know he is represented by Klutch.

No chance. The Hawks aren't gonna just give him away. Rui, Reaves, and DLO is pretty beatable for a lot of teams. DLO is legit a negative asset on a winning team.

[dshearn]

I honestly think I'm at a point where I'd rather trade Herro than Duncan lol. At least Duncan rarely misses time and fits in any lineup. Herro is kind of out of place with the starters and doesn't want to play off the bench where he'd best help the team.

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If you traded Herro for someone like a Murray and starter Duncan the boost to this team would be massive. Our best stretch of the season came without Herro. Every single season when Herro goes down and we’re forced to start a 3 point specialist (Strus/Duncan) this team instantly gets better and puts up their best stretch, like last season going from a play in team to the nba finals. Herro coming off the bench and we’re the 1st seed a couple seasons ago. Herro sprains his ankle and we go on the longest win streak in years this season and win like 10 out of 11 games.

It has happened far too many times to be a coincidence. I think there are still people who refuse to see it but I think even the majority who didn’t want to believe it at first have now seen it too many times to know it’s the truth at this point.

I was going to post something similar last night...but decided to sleep on it....

I am not a trade people away kind of fan, but the Bam-Jovic-JJJ trio has me thinking about things in different ways. Our new found playmaking version of Duncan fits into that set really damn well. Duncan does not even appear to be nearly as trash on defense as he once was.

I have always really liked Herro...but...dude....come on....to me...it is plain as day....the future of this team needs that ball moving. If we can get that 10 assist version of Herro...then by all means we are set....if we get a ball stopping off balance bad shot taking Herro....maybe it it is time to move on.

Anyway....how many millions of dollars sat on the bench last night? Herro-Lowery-Butler? We had rotations played that don't even have months working together let alone years....and they were showing real flashes of talent.

[marson]

I honestly think I'm at a point where I'd rather trade Herro than Duncan lol. At least Duncan rarely misses time and fits in any lineup. Herro is kind of out of place with the starters and doesn't want to play off the bench where he'd best help the team.

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If you traded Herro for someone like a Murray and starter Duncan the boost to this team would be massive. Our best stretch of the season came without Herro. Every single season when Herro goes down and we’re forced to start a 3 point specialist (Strus/Duncan) this team instantly gets better and puts up their best stretch, like last season going from a play in team to the nba finals. Herro coming off the bench and we’re the 1st seed a couple seasons ago. Herro sprains his ankle and we go on the longest win streak in years this season and win like 10 out of 11 games.

It has happened far too many times to be a coincidence. I think there are still people who refuse to see it but I think even the majority who didn’t want to believe it at first have now seen it too many times to know it’s the truth at this point.

Starting to agree to trade Herro. Ball movement was better w/o Herro vs the Magic.

Jacquez, Duncan, and Bam's usage has gone up and it turns out pretty well for us.

Lost him last playoffs and the whole team played well, It's starting to get pretty obvious.