Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24 – (Trade Deadline Feb. 8, 3PM, ET)

[Hal14]

BOS in: JaeSean Tate, Boban Marjanovic, Aaron Holiday
BOS out: Lamar Stevens, Svi Mykhailiuk, Dalano Banton, 2nds to Houston

HOU in: Lamar Stevens, Svi Mykhailiuk, Dalano Banton and 2nds from Boston
HOU out: JaeSean Tate, Boban Marjanovic, Aaron Holiday

Holiday is playing well and Houston is still in play-in contention, so not sure they'll let him go for minimal compensation but Tate seems like he's going to get squeezed out with the number of promising wings they've got so could be an option.

If Holiday isn't an option then maybe swing in Memphis for Konchar:

BOS in: JaeSean Tate, Boban Marjanovic, John Konchar
BOS out: Lamar Stevens, Svi Mykhailiuk, Dalano Banton, 2nds to Houston

HOU in: Lamar Stevens, Svi Mykhailiuk, 2nds from Boston
HOU out: JaeSean Tate, Boban Marjanovic

MEM in: Dalano Banton
MEM out: John Konchar

Not entirely sold that Konchar/Tate are actually better options than Svi/Stevens, but the latter pair doesn't seem like they've gotten any traction in terms of breaking through. I'd be fine paying a 2nd or two to swap them for flyers on alternative options (I consider it a plus that both are signed beyond this year just for the fact that they create salary slots to a make moves in the future).

Plus Boban would be really fun at the end of the bench as a mascot.

Interesting idea but I don't see why Houston does that (especially since they're trying to win and make the playoffs) and I'm not sure why Memphis would do it either..

[cl2117]

BOS in: JaeSean Tate, Boban Marjanovic, Aaron Holiday
BOS out: Lamar Stevens, Svi Mykhailiuk, Dalano Banton, 2nds to Houston

HOU in: Lamar Stevens, Svi Mykhailiuk, Dalano Banton and 2nds from Boston
HOU out: JaeSean Tate, Boban Marjanovic, Aaron Holiday

Holiday is playing well and Houston is still in play-in contention, so not sure they'll let him go for minimal compensation but Tate seems like he's going to get squeezed out with the number of promising wings they've got so could be an option.

If Holiday isn't an option then maybe swing in Memphis for Konchar:

BOS in: JaeSean Tate, Boban Marjanovic, John Konchar
BOS out: Lamar Stevens, Svi Mykhailiuk, Dalano Banton, 2nds to Houston

HOU in: Lamar Stevens, Svi Mykhailiuk, 2nds from Boston
HOU out: JaeSean Tate, Boban Marjanovic

MEM in: Dalano Banton
MEM out: John Konchar

Not entirely sold that Konchar/Tate are actually better options than Svi/Stevens, but the latter pair doesn't seem like they've gotten any traction in terms of breaking through. I'd be fine paying a 2nd or two to swap them for flyers on alternative options (I consider it a plus that both are signed beyond this year just for the fact that they create salary slots to a make moves in the future).

Plus Boban would be really fun at the end of the bench as a mascot.

Interesting idea but I don't see why Houston does that (especially since they're trying to win and make the playoffs) and I'm not sure why Memphis would do it either..

The Houston aspect was spurred on by this threat on the T&T board: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2347879

The idea effectively being that while Tate is solid, Cam Whitmore and Amen Thompson are the real upside plays for them at the wing position. You move Tate prior to him falling out of the rotation and/or to force Ime to give more minutes to that higher ceiling duo. They can still push for the playoffs but you're also giving better development opportunities to your young studs at the same time. Plus it shaves money off the overall cap for a guy who might get squeezed out of the rotation regardless, which is likely a plus for a team/owner that's widely considered to be cheap.

I think the Aaron Holiday element of the trade is the far less likely aspect. He's cheap, he's been productive and he's not realistically blocking anyone from getting those developmental minutes.

For Memphis it'd be to get a mulligan on Konchar's extension. He's having the worst statistical year of his career and looks like he might fall out of the rotation despite them being overwhelmed by injuries. If they can move him before his 3/18m extension kicks in (and Bane's extension kicks in as well), I think they could jump on it. If they wait too long and he continues to struggle, they'll be paying to get off that deal instead. Banton's got a cheap club option next year and they've got minutes to burn now at the PG position, so it's not a total salary dump.

I would think more apt question is whether it's worth it for us to give up 2nds and add a significant chunk of cost to the overall payroll for two guy's who aren't exactly shining on play-in teams. Lamar is similar to Tate and Svi to Konchar, so is the potential upgrade worth the 2nds and extra cash from ownership. I'm not sold, but Brad apparently was keeping tabs on Konchar and Tate seems like he could be a sneaky good fit, so who knows.

[RickyDizzle]

Pritchard, kornet, brissett, Walsh, 1st, two 2nds for Dejounte Murray.

He can be the super 6th man, knocking Hauser and Horford down to 7th and 8th men. Stevens and Queta step into the Kornet/Brissett minutes.

[Hal14]

I'd take either of them on the Celtics. But rumor has it Steph is untouchable so OPJ will do.

Read on Twitter

He knows how to win a ring. He can help us get one. That'll give us 2 guys on the team with a ring (OPJ and Jrue). Both battle tested, proven playoff performers. They got the job done when the lights were at their brightest and the pressure was the highest.

With that being said, while he fits in the TPE, his contract is a bit expensive for someone who is getting up there in age and has serious problems staying healthy. Someone else mentioned before that OPJ may be more of a buyout target and I'd probably agree.

I like that the highest % here is the one that was playoffs - tells me the bright lights and pressure don't faze him - he has actually shot better in the playoffs

Catch and shoot 3's
23-24 reg season, 15 games: 36.4%
22-23 reg season, 8 games: 37.5%
21-22 playoffs, 19 games: 40.9%
21-22 reg season, 63 games: 35.7%

[Celts17Pride]

Read on Twitter

Hasn’t this been the case for the last 5 years?

[brackdan70]

Pritchard, kornet, brissett, Walsh, 1st, two 2nds for Dejounte Murray.

He can be the super 6th man, knocking Hauser and Horford down to 7th and 8th men. Stevens and Queta step into the Kornet/Brissett minutes.

Does this work as legal trade?

Edit. Just checked. Murray makes over 18 million. That trade won’t work.

[brackdan70]

I’m down with OPJ. Not a bad use of the TPE imo. If he is a buy out guy that’s even better.

He is 30 and battle tested. Currently nursing a sore knee though. I think he could a much more effective and versatile Brissett for us, getting a sold 15-20 minutes.

[Dogen]

The more I see our guys and the guys that are out there, the more I'm warming up to the idea of seeing if Saddiq Bey can shake out of the hawk's claw.

He's not the perfect fit, but for the TPE + 2026 first would be a pretty good deal. He could be part of that bench squad with Horford, Hauser, and Pritchard. Dude has a pulse, and is another guy that can get on a hot streak, shoot a team back into the game (or out!), and give the Jays rest.

I'm not really expecting it to happen, but we'll see how Atlanta does in the next couple weeks.

So far I like Moody, then Bey and Konchar. Bey is a decent rebounder and bigger than the other guys, maybe not as versatile. Can't have everything.

I suppose I'd keep looking and see what else comes up, but give Atlanta a call and at least see if they have interest before the trade deadline.

[brackdan70]

The more I see our guys and the guys that are out there, the more I'm warming up to the idea of seeing if Saddiq Bey can shake out of the hawk's claw.

He's not the perfect fit, but for the TPE + 2026 first would be a pretty good deal. He could be part of that bench squad with Horford, Hauser, and Pritchard. Dude has a pulse, and is another guy that can get on a hot streak, shoot a team back into the game (or out!), and give the Jays rest.

I'm not really expecting it to happen, but we'll see how Atlanta does in the next couple weeks.

So far I like Moody, then Bey and Konchar. Bey is a decent rebounder and bigger than the other guys, maybe not as versatile. Can't have everything.

I suppose I'd keep looking and see what else comes up, but give Atlanta a call and at least see if they have interest before the trade deadline.

I think Bey would be a great get, but a couple concerns about giving up a first for him. Do we sign him long term or match RFA offers in our current salary situation? Does he help us that much this year to be worth it? Maybe.

[BK_2020]

Bey is a three-point specialist who's shooting has plunged to 33.8% from the three this season. 100% of his threes are assisted and he shoots half of them from the corners. He's also shooting 63% at the rim as a 6'8 wing, which is actually above his career %.

All that is to say we don't have to worry about matching RFA offers because Bey will 100% accept the qualifying offer the second it's on the table.

[Hal14]

Bey is a three-point specialist.

I wouldn't call him that, per se.

Bey is a three-point specialist who's shooting has plunged to 33.8% from the three this season.

34% isn't *that* bad. With this plunging stuff, you'd think he was at 24%.

Also, I'm pretty sure Brad isn't basing these types of decisions on less than a half a season sample size of games. Especially a small sample size of games playing on a team that is headed into a downward spiral, where nobody has been playing particularly well.

A change of scenery would probably do him good.

If we look at a larger, more statistically significant sample size of games we see:

Catch and shoot 3's
23-24 reg season: 35.3%
22-23 playoffs: 42.9%
22-23 reg season: 38.2%
21-22 reg season: 38%

We get it. You don't like Bey. You've made that pretty clear at this point.

IMO, he's a pretty good player, on a cheap contract and at age 24, is likely still getting better with some untapped potential - yet already has played pretty well in a playoff setting for a Hawks team that gave us a tough series.

Bey might be the best player we can get, given our limited resources/assets/cap space to make a move.

[brackdan70]

Bey is a three-point specialist who's shooting has plunged to 33.8% from the three this season. 100% of his threes are assisted and he shoots half of them from the corners. He's also shooting 63% at the rim as a 6'8 wing, which is actually above his career %.

All that is to say we don't have to worry about matching RFA offers because Bey will 100% accept the qualifying offer the second it's on the table.

I haven’t watched him much at all but the advanced numbers suggest defense isn’t strong. Not sure if that is the situation he is in or not.
Assuming he has an agent, I don’t think anyone accepts the QA until they see what the market looks like. Is he a limited role player with minimal upside?…then maybe he signs on for a Pritchard type of deal. If teams thing he has more upside then I’d guess he gets some Grant Williams type of interest.

All in all I think I like a guy like OPJ that is more proven.

[Celts17Pride]

Nobody is doing the Celtics any favors. It will probably take the 2024 1st round pick (effectively a 2nd rounder) and another 1st round pick to get the Hawks interested in trading Saddiq Bey to the Celtics.

I would lower my expectations.

[Dogen]

Nobody is doing the Celtics any favors. It will probably take the 2024 1st round pick (effectively a 2nd rounder) and another 1st round pick to get the Hawks interested in trading Saddiq Bey to the Celtics.

I would lower my expectations.

If the Hawks expect to get two first rounders for Bey, they are the ones who should lower their expectations.

[brackdan70]

Well I now know we don’t need Tate.

[Dogen]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/8648234

What kind of picks would you include to get Avdija?

[Fierce1]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/8648234

What kind of picks would you include to get Avdija?

He'll just sit on the bench.

Cs need a player less talented than Avdija, but more experienced.

Like the PJ Brown signing back in 2008.

[KamikazeK]

Nobody is doing the Celtics any favors.

After the Jrue Holiday situation I'm not so sure about that anymore to be honest.

[Celts17Pride]

Nobody is doing the Celtics any favors. It will probably take the 2024 1st round pick (effectively a 2nd rounder) and another 1st round pick to get the Hawks interested in trading Saddiq Bey to the Celtics.

I would lower my expectations.

If the Hawks expect to get two first rounders for Bey, they are the ones who should lower their expectations.

2024 is not really a first round pick. Nobody wants it

[brackdan70]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/8648234

What kind of picks would you include to get Avdija?

He'll just sit on the bench.

Cs need a player less talented than Avdija, but more experienced.

Like the PJ Brown signing back in 2008.

That was only 16 years ago, I bet he can still play D and grab a board. What’s he up to?