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Post#821 » by Negrodamus » Thu Jan 11, 2024 5:09 pm

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youngcrev wrote:I'm probably just wrong for feeling this way, but I'd rather have Trey Murphy than Brandon Ingram on this team.


I feel like Herb Jones/Trey Murphy are the reasons Ingram could be attainable.


Agree, it's either Zion or Ingram that gets moved eventually. Most likely Ingram because despite all his personal flaws, Zion is too much of a talent to give up on.


It'd be in our best interest if the Pelicans go on a bad losing streak soon if Ingram is the target. The opposite is currently happening.
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Post#822 » by the_process » Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:53 pm

GSW gets Barnes and Korkmaz
PHI gets Wiggins, Huerter, Tyus, and Shamet
SAC gets Tobias and Melton
WSH gets Morris, Mitchell, Duarte, and 2026 OKC 1st

Duck the tax.

Maxey/Tyus/Beverley
Huerter/Shamet/Springer
Wiggins/Oubre/House
Batum/Covington/Martin
Embiid/Reed/Bamba
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Post#823 » by Stanford » Fri Jan 12, 2024 5:00 pm

May as well just keep Tobias if Ingram is the target.
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Post#824 » by LeonJordanJr24 » Fri Jan 12, 2024 5:33 pm

Jaden Springer,KJ Martin and Korkmaz for Malcolm Brogdan.


Add picks if needed.

Embiid/Reed/Bamb
Tobias/Morris/Roco
Batum/Oubre / House
Melton /brogdan
Maxey/ Bev
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Post#825 » by Negrodamus » Fri Jan 12, 2024 5:50 pm

I'll be alone on this.... but I'd definitely consider a Keldon Johnson trade now that he's coming off the bench. Is showing off secondary ball handler ability with a steadily increasing AST% each year. Athletic, long. Scored 22ppg last year, albeit on a trash team. Did the whole humble "I'll come off the bench" schtick Maxey did last year. Most importantly, he attacks the rim.

He's a nice buy low candidate on a fairly friendly contract. I wonder if he can get back up to 40% from three on a team with Joel Embiid and Tyrese Maxey pulling the defense away from him.
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Post#826 » by stormi » Fri Jan 12, 2024 11:33 pm

Nah I think I'm with you about Keldon Negrodamus.

I was jotting my thoughts over the past couple days from my assessments of the current landscape of the NBA, this was prior to the Celtics losing by 1000 to the Bucks, but I consider that an outlier due to their resume and the fact that it was as close to a schedule loss as there is.

The contrast between us and the Celtics, and watching them play is night and day. They’re suffocating defensively, they move in synchronized waves. They’re constantly creating high quality shots. They have numerous players that can put the ball on the floor effectively, that can also get a shot in the halfcourt and they shoot the ball on high volume and without sacrificing defensive competency. They look like an unstoppable machine right now.

Barring Embiid channeling divine power from above and going on a 2011 Dirk type run, I don’t think there are any sort of moves we could make realistically that could bridge that gap this season. We’re about two key players away from matching their current form (before they reinforce further). We play slow and soft. We settle for bad shots. We don’t shoot on high volume. That's about how I'd describe Tobias actually. We’re lackadaisical around the rim. We’re constantly allowing dribble penetration due to poor and/or old unathletic POA defenders. Or they're just undersized like Maxey and Melton.

I would say the best possible bet would be getting a singular multitooled plus athlete with a positive wingspan and shooting potential that’s also locked down for the next couple of years to add to the core of Embiid & Maxey. 



We need our Derrick White trade.

I don’t think we have the asset pool to chase a Lauri Markkanen and even if we did I doubt Ainge would be in a hurry to help us out. They're also playing tremendous basketball and in play-in range, 9-2 in their past 11 led by strong efforts from Lauri, Sexton, Keyonte, Collins, Clarkson etc.

I’m not tremendously moved by the possibilities of a Demar Derozan or Jerami Grant type trade with our assets. They don't feel like needle movers. Neither do moves for guys like Dinwiddie or Caruso. DFS is another top tier roleplayer, but he doesn't assist our fundamental issues. Bojan, age / athleticism concerns. Bogdan, sexy Hield? I could be sooner talked into a Zach Lavine trade for his shooting / dribbling scoring / athletic upside, but that contract and his health concerns are worrying. I also see him getting picked on in a Celtics series.
The Clippers star wings are off the market. Doubt Ingram is on the market. Don’t think Mikal is on the market either.

The two names that best fit the bill that I’d be juggling between to add to our core that I’ve seen floated around, that also fit the age profile are Keldon Johnson and Dejounte Murray. But I'm not overly excited about it.

Dejounte has size at 6'5 with a 6'10 wingspan, he brings ball security and passing upside. 27 years old and locked down until 2028. Is the shooting leap real? 8.2 3s per 100 possessions at 39.4%. Been a steal magnet throughout his career, but he’s quite frail.
Can possibly match up against White/Holiday/Brown, but he's extremely skinny and all three are quite physical. I see White going right through Maxey's chest and taking him to the rim constantly, could also happen similarly to Dejounte.

Keldon also has size at 6’5 with a 6'9 wingspan, he's a lot more built at 220lbs, and is an elite athlete in transition, can finish in traffic and around the rim. An active POA defender and shoots on high volume. Also has the age aspect on his side.
He's also only 24! years old and locked down on a peach of a declining contract until 2027.


His shooting numbers have tailed off a bit since the last time I checked, however he's a willing shooter and a good free throw shooter. I would trust him a lot more confidently to match up against White/Holiday/Brown defensively. Shot creating two way upside? Or a reborn Josh Richardson.

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And my thoughts on Siakam from a month or two ago, which I still reiterate I guess.

stormi wrote:Siakam has his pull up shooting warts and he was overtasked, but I think if you put him in a role similar to when Kawhi was in Toronto (lots of corner 3s, lots of attacking in transition and attacking off the catch) he’s shown he can be a championship-caliber contributor.

Some Siakam pro qualities:

- Shooting 38.6% on corner 3 attempts since '18-'19
- Shot 72% on field goals within 4 ft on 300+ attempts (excellent for a forward on high volume)
- Elite at drawing fouls
- Very good on or off the ball in transition
- Elite AST% for forward

Some cons:

- Questionable shot selection at times, which can be related back to him being overtasked in TO as the main man (still achieved multi time All NBA)
- Not as disruptive enough a defender for a player as long and athletic as he is should be

An Embiid/Maxey/Siakam big three definitely piques my interest to a degree.


Just about spooled all of the word salad from my brain. I'm not feeling super optimistic, but I'm waiting tentatively to see what Morey does.

I think any of Keldon, Siakam or Dejounte (some more than others) at least help to bridge that gap a little bit. And allow us to keep adding to this core the way Boston have done when building around Tatum and Brown.
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Post#827 » by Kobblehead » Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:17 am

What ever happened to Aleksej Pokusevski? Did the Thunder just give up on him? I wonder if we get him for next to nothing.
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Post#828 » by PhillyFan11 » Sat Jan 13, 2024 1:36 am

Reed, Springer, Korkmaz, ‘26 1st & ‘24 2nd

To Bulls for:

Caruso, Drummond and Craig

It’s not sexy but I feel like it would solve multiple problems with the team this year and Caruso is a valuable cheap asset going forward offsetting the loss of the 1st
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Post#829 » by Kobblehead » Sat Jan 13, 2024 1:45 am

Terrible waste of draft capital, imo.
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Post#830 » by PhillyFan11 » Sat Jan 13, 2024 1:53 am

stormi wrote:Nah I think I'm with you about Keldon Negrodamus.

I was jotting my thoughts over the past couple days from my assessments of the current landscape of the NBA, this was prior to the Celtics losing by 1000 to the Bucks, but I consider that an outlier due to their resume and the fact that it was as close to a schedule loss as there is.

The contrast between us and the Celtics, and watching them play is night and day. They’re suffocating defensively, they move in synchronized waves. They’re constantly creating high quality shots. They have numerous players that can put the ball on the floor effectively, that can also get a shot in the halfcourt and they shoot the ball on high volume and without sacrificing defensive competency. They look like an unstoppable machine right now.

Barring Embiid channeling divine power from above and going on a 2011 Dirk type run, I don’t think there are any sort of moves we could make realistically that could bridge that gap this season. We’re about two key players away from matching their current form (before they reinforce further). We play slow and soft. We settle for bad shots. We don’t shoot on high volume. That's about how I'd describe Tobias actually. We’re lackadaisical around the rim. We’re constantly allowing dribble penetration due to poor and/or old unathletic POA defenders. Or they're just undersized like Maxey and Melton.

I would say the best possible bet would be getting a singular multitooled plus athlete with a positive wingspan and shooting potential that’s also locked down for the next couple of years to add to the core of Embiid & Maxey. 



We need our Derrick White trade.

I don’t think we have the asset pool to chase a Lauri Markkanen and even if we did I doubt Ainge would be in a hurry to help us out. They're also playing tremendous basketball and in play-in range, 9-2 in their past 11 led by strong efforts from Lauri, Sexton, Keyonte, Collins, Clarkson etc.

I’m not tremendously moved by the possibilities of a Demar Derozan or Jerami Grant type trade with our assets. They don't feel like needle movers. Neither do moves for guys like Dinwiddie or Caruso. DFS is another top tier roleplayer, but he doesn't assist our fundamental issues. Bojan, age / athleticism concerns. Bogdan, sexy Hield? I could be sooner talked into a Zach Lavine trade for his shooting / dribbling scoring / athletic upside, but that contract and his health concerns are worrying. I also see him getting picked on in a Celtics series.
The Clippers star wings are off the market. Doubt Ingram is on the market. Don’t think Mikal is on the market either.

The two names that best fit the bill that I’d be juggling between to add to our core that I’ve seen floated around, that also fit the age profile are Keldon Johnson and Dejounte Murray. But I'm not overly excited about it.

Dejounte has size at 6'5 with a 6'10 wingspan, he brings ball security and passing upside. 27 years old and locked down until 2028. Is the shooting leap real? 8.2 3s per 100 possessions at 39.4%. Been a steal magnet throughout his career, but he’s quite frail.
Can possibly match up against White/Holiday/Brown, but he's extremely skinny and all three are quite physical. I see White going right through Maxey's chest and taking him to the rim constantly, could also happen similarly to Dejounte.

Keldon also has size at 6’5 with a 6'9 wingspan, he's a lot more built at 220lbs, and is an elite athlete in transition, can finish in traffic and around the rim. An active POA defender and shoots on high volume. Also has the age aspect on his side.
He's also only 24! years old and locked down on a peach of a declining contract until 2027.


His shooting numbers have tailed off a bit since the last time I checked, however he's a willing shooter and a good free throw shooter. I would trust him a lot more confidently to match up against White/Holiday/Brown defensively. Shot creating two way upside? Or a reborn Josh Richardson.

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And my thoughts on Siakam from a month or two ago, which I still reiterate I guess.

stormi wrote:Siakam has his pull up shooting warts and he was overtasked, but I think if you put him in a role similar to when Kawhi was in Toronto (lots of corner 3s, lots of attacking in transition and attacking off the catch) he’s shown he can be a championship-caliber contributor.

Some Siakam pro qualities:

- Shooting 38.6% on corner 3 attempts since '18-'19
- Shot 72% on field goals within 4 ft on 300+ attempts (excellent for a forward on high volume)
- Elite at drawing fouls
- Very good on or off the ball in transition
- Elite AST% for forward

Some cons:

- Questionable shot selection at times, which can be related back to him being overtasked in TO as the main man (still achieved multi time All NBA)
- Not as disruptive enough a defender for a player as long and athletic as he is should be

An Embiid/Maxey/Siakam big three definitely piques my interest to a degree.


Just about spooled all of the word salad from my brain. I'm not feeling super optimistic, but I'm waiting tentatively to see what Morey does.

I think any of Keldon, Siakam or Dejounte (some more than others) at least help to bridge that gap a little bit. And allow us to keep adding to this core the way Boston have done when building around Tatum and Brown.


I don’t even know where to find the stat, but how many attempts per game is that 38% on corner 3’s for Siakam? Could be wrong, but just based on a quick glance at basic stats and the eye test I feel like that could be a misleading stat. 38% on like 1.5 attempts per game isn’t impressive and more than likely if you expand that to 3-4 attempts per game (like we need) the % would drop fairly drastically.

Personally I just don’t like the fit with Jo and Siakam. Having a dominant paint player really diminishes the value of a guy like Siakam who also needs to play within the 3 point line. I can see him being the next Tobias here if he were to be given a max contract. I don’t doubt Siakam could average 17/18 a game and 6/7 rebounds with solid D…but is that the smartest way to spend $42.5M per year?
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Post#831 » by PhillyFan11 » Sat Jan 13, 2024 2:09 am

Kobblehead wrote:Terrible waste of draft capital, imo.


A pick most likely in the 20’s 3 drafts from now and 1 of our 2 seconds this coming year…how much capital do you really think that represents? I think 1.5 years of Caruso outweighs that personally.
Reed hasn’t shown the ability to be a suitable backup to Jo in significant mins and Drummond is probably a better backup now. Shedding Reed’s 7.7M for next season isn’t the worst thing either.
Springer and Korkmaz are non-factors imo and Craig is a better depth option that Springer/Korkmaz/Martin/House

In my opinion I think people just see picks and panic sometimes…not all picks are equal, that ‘26 1st isn’t that valuable
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Post#832 » by stormi » Sat Jan 13, 2024 6:57 am

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stormi wrote:Nah I think I'm with you about Keldon Negrodamus.

I was jotting my thoughts over the past couple days from my assessments of the current landscape of the NBA, this was prior to the Celtics losing by 1000 to the Bucks, but I consider that an outlier due to their resume and the fact that it was as close to a schedule loss as there is.

The contrast between us and the Celtics, and watching them play is night and day. They’re suffocating defensively, they move in synchronized waves. They’re constantly creating high quality shots. They have numerous players that can put the ball on the floor effectively, that can also get a shot in the halfcourt and they shoot the ball on high volume and without sacrificing defensive competency. They look like an unstoppable machine right now.

Barring Embiid channeling divine power from above and going on a 2011 Dirk type run, I don’t think there are any sort of moves we could make realistically that could bridge that gap this season. We’re about two key players away from matching their current form (before they reinforce further). We play slow and soft. We settle for bad shots. We don’t shoot on high volume. That's about how I'd describe Tobias actually. We’re lackadaisical around the rim. We’re constantly allowing dribble penetration due to poor and/or old unathletic POA defenders. Or they're just undersized like Maxey and Melton.

I would say the best possible bet would be getting a singular multitooled plus athlete with a positive wingspan and shooting potential that’s also locked down for the next couple of years to add to the core of Embiid & Maxey. 



We need our Derrick White trade.

I don’t think we have the asset pool to chase a Lauri Markkanen and even if we did I doubt Ainge would be in a hurry to help us out. They're also playing tremendous basketball and in play-in range, 9-2 in their past 11 led by strong efforts from Lauri, Sexton, Keyonte, Collins, Clarkson etc.

I’m not tremendously moved by the possibilities of a Demar Derozan or Jerami Grant type trade with our assets. They don't feel like needle movers. Neither do moves for guys like Dinwiddie or Caruso. DFS is another top tier roleplayer, but he doesn't assist our fundamental issues. Bojan, age / athleticism concerns. Bogdan, sexy Hield? I could be sooner talked into a Zach Lavine trade for his shooting / dribbling scoring / athletic upside, but that contract and his health concerns are worrying. I also see him getting picked on in a Celtics series.
The Clippers star wings are off the market. Doubt Ingram is on the market. Don’t think Mikal is on the market either.

The two names that best fit the bill that I’d be juggling between to add to our core that I’ve seen floated around, that also fit the age profile are Keldon Johnson and Dejounte Murray. But I'm not overly excited about it.

Dejounte has size at 6'5 with a 6'10 wingspan, he brings ball security and passing upside. 27 years old and locked down until 2028. Is the shooting leap real? 8.2 3s per 100 possessions at 39.4%. Been a steal magnet throughout his career, but he’s quite frail.
Can possibly match up against White/Holiday/Brown, but he's extremely skinny and all three are quite physical. I see White going right through Maxey's chest and taking him to the rim constantly, could also happen similarly to Dejounte.

Keldon also has size at 6’5 with a 6'9 wingspan, he's a lot more built at 220lbs, and is an elite athlete in transition, can finish in traffic and around the rim. An active POA defender and shoots on high volume. Also has the age aspect on his side.
He's also only 24! years old and locked down on a peach of a declining contract until 2027.


His shooting numbers have tailed off a bit since the last time I checked, however he's a willing shooter and a good free throw shooter. I would trust him a lot more confidently to match up against White/Holiday/Brown defensively. Shot creating two way upside? Or a reborn Josh Richardson.

Read on Twitter


And my thoughts on Siakam from a month or two ago, which I still reiterate I guess.

stormi wrote:Siakam has his pull up shooting warts and he was overtasked, but I think if you put him in a role similar to when Kawhi was in Toronto (lots of corner 3s, lots of attacking in transition and attacking off the catch) he’s shown he can be a championship-caliber contributor.

Some Siakam pro qualities:

- Shooting 38.6% on corner 3 attempts since '18-'19
- Shot 72% on field goals within 4 ft on 300+ attempts (excellent for a forward on high volume)
- Elite at drawing fouls
- Very good on or off the ball in transition
- Elite AST% for forward

Some cons:

- Questionable shot selection at times, which can be related back to him being overtasked in TO as the main man (still achieved multi time All NBA)
- Not as disruptive enough a defender for a player as long and athletic as he is should be

An Embiid/Maxey/Siakam big three definitely piques my interest to a degree.


Just about spooled all of the word salad from my brain. I'm not feeling super optimistic, but I'm waiting tentatively to see what Morey does.

I think any of Keldon, Siakam or Dejounte (some more than others) at least help to bridge that gap a little bit. And allow us to keep adding to this core the way Boston have done when building around Tatum and Brown.


I don’t even know where to find the stat, but how many attempts per game is that 38% on corner 3’s for Siakam? Could be wrong, but just based on a quick glance at basic stats and the eye test I feel like that could be a misleading stat. 38% on like 1.5 attempts per game isn’t impressive and more than likely if you expand that to 3-4 attempts per game (like we need) the % would drop fairly drastically.

Personally I just don’t like the fit with Jo and Siakam. Having a dominant paint player really diminishes the value of a guy like Siakam who also needs to play within the 3 point line. I can see him being the next Tobias here if he were to be given a max contract. I don’t doubt Siakam could average 17/18 a game and 6/7 rebounds with solid D…but is that the smartest way to spend $42.5M per year?


So the "shooting" section of any players profile on bbref has the corner 3s stats further on the right of the chart. The frequency of them that are taken and the rate that they hit on them.

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Pascal's been shooting 50% from the corner this season so his accuracy over that time frame has gone up to 39.6% with about ~30% of his threes coming from the corner.

He's shot ~3.9 threes per game over that window with 28.2% of them coming from the corner, so about ~1.01 corner threes per game.

I went and checked Tobias' numbers over the same passage of time. ~4.2 threes per game with 24.1% of them coming from the corner (hitting them at a 41% clip).

So funnily enough also ~ 1.01 corner threes per game. So although it might seem like it, you're not in reality losing any shooting.

I agree with the rest of your concerns though. Ideally you'd have a shooting scoring big two way do it all wing alongside Joel and Maxey and not a up & down floor spacing PF that wants to crash and bang and shrink the floor on Joel when he's on the low block. But you have to draft and nurture those types of players (Tari Eason, Jalen Williams, Jalen Johnson).

It might be a case of the best of a bad bunch. I'd still rather get a multi-tooled plus athlete that can contribute in a lot of different ways and won't get played off the floor and can move the needle in those ugly slug fests against a Milwaukee or Boston as opposed to 'better' fitting flawed player like a Bogdan Bogdanovic that can shoot the lights out but might be resorted to a borderline net negative when he can't guard anyone out there and the skillset he brings to the table inevitably ebbs and flows like you know it's bound to happen in a Game 5 & 7 on the road @ TD Garden.
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Post#833 » by JRoy » Sat Jan 13, 2024 2:57 pm

LeonJordanJr24 wrote:Jaden Springer,KJ Martin and Korkmaz for Malcolm Brogdan.


Add picks if needed.

Embiid/Reed/Bamb
Tobias/Morris/Roco
Batum/Oubre / House
Melton /brogdan
Maxey/ Bev


Picks definitely needed because POR doesn’t want any of those guys.
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Post#834 » by Kobblehead » Sat Jan 13, 2024 3:40 pm

Jroy, why are the Blazers so adamant about playing Simons at SG and not at PG?

Why not just stick him at PG fulltime and let him continue to develop playmaking?

I thought they learned their lesson with McCollum that having a dynamic scoring, but severely undersized SG just isn't the way to go.
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Post#835 » by Monix » Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:54 pm

Kobblehead wrote:What ever happened to Aleksej Pokusevski? Did the Thunder just give up on him? I wonder if we get him for next to nothing.

he's terrible

maybe that team in Lithuania that signed the Ball brothers has a roster spot
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Post#836 » by Kobblehead » Sat Jan 13, 2024 5:01 pm

I mean, he's 22. 90% of the players in the league under 25 are terrible.

All that really matters is if he has desirable traits and if he works hard. He's already a tremendous shotblocker and has some playmaking talent and might have a jumper (shot 36.5% from three last year) worth developing.

It seems like logjam is a major issue with a lot of players on that Thunder team. There's a nice handful of guys that are going to thrive on another roster. He may be one of them.
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Post#837 » by JRoy » Sat Jan 13, 2024 6:50 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Jroy, why are the Blazers so adamant about playing Simons at SG and not at PG?

Why not just stick him at PG fulltime and let him continue to develop playmaking?

I thought they learned their lesson with McCollum that having a dynamic scoring, but severely undersized SG just isn't the way to go.


He is a poor pg.

He is an undersized sg just like CJ with a lot of the same problems.

He could thrive on a team able to cover his weaknesses on d and playmaking and in need of his shot. Might be a solid fit in ORL.
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Post#838 » by PhillyFan11 » Sun Jan 14, 2024 12:26 am

stormi wrote:Nah I think I'm with you about Keldon Negrodamus.

I was jotting my thoughts over the past couple days from my assessments of the current landscape of the NBA, this was prior to the Celtics losing by 1000 to the Bucks, but I consider that an outlier due to their resume and the fact that it was as close to a schedule loss as there is.

The contrast between us and the Celtics, and watching them play is night and day. They’re suffocating defensively, they move in synchronized waves. They’re constantly creating high quality shots. They have numerous players that can put the ball on the floor effectively, that can also get a shot in the halfcourt and they shoot the ball on high volume and without sacrificing defensive competency. They look like an unstoppable machine right now.

Barring Embiid channeling divine power from above and going on a 2011 Dirk type run, I don’t think there are any sort of moves we could make realistically that could bridge that gap this season. We’re about two key players away from matching their current form (before they reinforce further). We play slow and soft. We settle for bad shots. We don’t shoot on high volume. That's about how I'd describe Tobias actually. We’re lackadaisical around the rim. We’re constantly allowing dribble penetration due to poor and/or old unathletic POA defenders. Or they're just undersized like Maxey and Melton.

I would say the best possible bet would be getting a singular multitooled plus athlete with a positive wingspan and shooting potential that’s also locked down for the next couple of years to add to the core of Embiid & Maxey. 



We need our Derrick White trade.

I don’t think we have the asset pool to chase a Lauri Markkanen and even if we did I doubt Ainge would be in a hurry to help us out. They're also playing tremendous basketball and in play-in range, 9-2 in their past 11 led by strong efforts from Lauri, Sexton, Keyonte, Collins, Clarkson etc.

I’m not tremendously moved by the possibilities of a Demar Derozan or Jerami Grant type trade with our assets. They don't feel like needle movers. Neither do moves for guys like Dinwiddie or Caruso. DFS is another top tier roleplayer, but he doesn't assist our fundamental issues. Bojan, age / athleticism concerns. Bogdan, sexy Hield? I could be sooner talked into a Zach Lavine trade for his shooting / dribbling scoring / athletic upside, but that contract and his health concerns are worrying. I also see him getting picked on in a Celtics series.
The Clippers star wings are off the market. Doubt Ingram is on the market. Don’t think Mikal is on the market either.

The two names that best fit the bill that I’d be juggling between to add to our core that I’ve seen floated around, that also fit the age profile are Keldon Johnson and Dejounte Murray. But I'm not overly excited about it.

Dejounte has size at 6'5 with a 6'10 wingspan, he brings ball security and passing upside. 27 years old and locked down until 2028. Is the shooting leap real? 8.2 3s per 100 possessions at 39.4%. Been a steal magnet throughout his career, but he’s quite frail.
Can possibly match up against White/Holiday/Brown, but he's extremely skinny and all three are quite physical. I see White going right through Maxey's chest and taking him to the rim constantly, could also happen similarly to Dejounte.

Keldon also has size at 6’5 with a 6'9 wingspan, he's a lot more built at 220lbs, and is an elite athlete in transition, can finish in traffic and around the rim. An active POA defender and shoots on high volume. Also has the age aspect on his side.
He's also only 24! years old and locked down on a peach of a declining contract until 2027.


His shooting numbers have tailed off a bit since the last time I checked, however he's a willing shooter and a good free throw shooter. I would trust him a lot more confidently to match up against White/Holiday/Brown defensively. Shot creating two way upside? Or a reborn Josh Richardson.

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And my thoughts on Siakam from a month or two ago, which I still reiterate I guess.

stormi wrote:Siakam has his pull up shooting warts and he was overtasked, but I think if you put him in a role similar to when Kawhi was in Toronto (lots of corner 3s, lots of attacking in transition and attacking off the catch) he’s shown he can be a championship-caliber contributor.

Some Siakam pro qualities:

- Shooting 38.6% on corner 3 attempts since '18-'19
- Shot 72% on field goals within 4 ft on 300+ attempts (excellent for a forward on high volume)
- Elite at drawing fouls
- Very good on or off the ball in transition
- Elite AST% for forward

Some cons:

- Questionable shot selection at times, which can be related back to him being overtasked in TO as the main man (still achieved multi time All NBA)
- Not as disruptive enough a defender for a player as long and athletic as he is should be

An Embiid/Maxey/Siakam big three definitely piques my interest to a degree.


Just about spooled all of the word salad from my brain. I'm not feeling super optimistic, but I'm waiting tentatively to see what Morey does.

I think any of Keldon, Siakam or Dejounte (some more than others) at least help to bridge that gap a little bit. And allow us to keep adding to this core the way Boston have done when building around Tatum and Brown.


Would you give up 2 1st’s for Keldon Johnson? I feel like the Spurs wouldn’t be that enticed to trade him for 1 1st and we don’t have all that much else to offer in terms of real value. I don’t see Springer exciting anyone enough to add significant value in a trade at this point, and the Spurs already have more 2nd’s than they’ll ever know what to do with.


Complete side note- if I were Morey I would also attempt to get Sandro Mamukelashvili in a Spurs trade. Dude is super talented and has a unique skill set for his size. Pretty shocking to me the Spurs aren’t able to get him any mins with the state of their season and team
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Post#839 » by Kolkmania » Sun Jan 14, 2024 10:08 am

Since the Nets desperately need a functional PG (Murray is certainly not the a championship caliber PG), but since they don't own their own picks they want to become/remain a functional team.

I wonder whether there's a realistic three-team framework present that sends Murray to Nets, Harris, Springer/talent and picks to Hawks and Bogdanovic and DFS/Cam Johnson to Sixers. Perhaps something like this

Sixers in:
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Cameron Johnson

Bogdanovic provides us a stable secondary creator that can also function next to Maxey and Embiid. Johnson is a plug and play type wing (perhaps slighly overpaid).
Maxey, Bogdanovic, Johnson, Batum and Embiid still relies a lot on Maxey and Embiid, but the shooting and IQ around them is the best support they have gotten in their careers. On draft night they have a lot of salaries and draft capital left to hunt for a better player if needed.

Hawks in:
Tobias Harris
Jaden Springer
Kelly Oubre
1st round pick from Nets
1st round pick from Sixers
2 2nd round picks from Sixers

Since they don't own their own draft pick they receive epxiring contracts but players that can contribute. With the additional picks and cap flexibility they can retool their roster for next year. Having bird rights (and rookie contract of Springer) on players they could potentially resign them for team friendly deals

Nets in:
Dejounte Murray
Marcus Morris

They add some playmaking/shot creation in exchange for one of their many 3&D wings and a single first round pick.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#840 » by 76ciology » Sun Jan 14, 2024 10:44 am

stormi wrote:
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stormi wrote:Nah I think I'm with you about Keldon Negrodamus.

I was jotting my thoughts over the past couple days from my assessments of the current landscape of the NBA, this was prior to the Celtics losing by 1000 to the Bucks, but I consider that an outlier due to their resume and the fact that it was as close to a schedule loss as there is.

The contrast between us and the Celtics, and watching them play is night and day. They’re suffocating defensively, they move in synchronized waves. They’re constantly creating high quality shots. They have numerous players that can put the ball on the floor effectively, that can also get a shot in the halfcourt and they shoot the ball on high volume and without sacrificing defensive competency. They look like an unstoppable machine right now.

Barring Embiid channeling divine power from above and going on a 2011 Dirk type run, I don’t think there are any sort of moves we could make realistically that could bridge that gap this season. We’re about two key players away from matching their current form (before they reinforce further). We play slow and soft. We settle for bad shots. We don’t shoot on high volume. That's about how I'd describe Tobias actually. We’re lackadaisical around the rim. We’re constantly allowing dribble penetration due to poor and/or old unathletic POA defenders. Or they're just undersized like Maxey and Melton.

I would say the best possible bet would be getting a singular multitooled plus athlete with a positive wingspan and shooting potential that’s also locked down for the next couple of years to add to the core of Embiid & Maxey. 



We need our Derrick White trade.

I don’t think we have the asset pool to chase a Lauri Markkanen and even if we did I doubt Ainge would be in a hurry to help us out. They're also playing tremendous basketball and in play-in range, 9-2 in their past 11 led by strong efforts from Lauri, Sexton, Keyonte, Collins, Clarkson etc.

I’m not tremendously moved by the possibilities of a Demar Derozan or Jerami Grant type trade with our assets. They don't feel like needle movers. Neither do moves for guys like Dinwiddie or Caruso. DFS is another top tier roleplayer, but he doesn't assist our fundamental issues. Bojan, age / athleticism concerns. Bogdan, sexy Hield? I could be sooner talked into a Zach Lavine trade for his shooting / dribbling scoring / athletic upside, but that contract and his health concerns are worrying. I also see him getting picked on in a Celtics series.
The Clippers star wings are off the market. Doubt Ingram is on the market. Don’t think Mikal is on the market either.

The two names that best fit the bill that I’d be juggling between to add to our core that I’ve seen floated around, that also fit the age profile are Keldon Johnson and Dejounte Murray. But I'm not overly excited about it.

Dejounte has size at 6'5 with a 6'10 wingspan, he brings ball security and passing upside. 27 years old and locked down until 2028. Is the shooting leap real? 8.2 3s per 100 possessions at 39.4%. Been a steal magnet throughout his career, but he’s quite frail.
Can possibly match up against White/Holiday/Brown, but he's extremely skinny and all three are quite physical. I see White going right through Maxey's chest and taking him to the rim constantly, could also happen similarly to Dejounte.

Keldon also has size at 6’5 with a 6'9 wingspan, he's a lot more built at 220lbs, and is an elite athlete in transition, can finish in traffic and around the rim. An active POA defender and shoots on high volume. Also has the age aspect on his side.
He's also only 24! years old and locked down on a peach of a declining contract until 2027.


His shooting numbers have tailed off a bit since the last time I checked, however he's a willing shooter and a good free throw shooter. I would trust him a lot more confidently to match up against White/Holiday/Brown defensively. Shot creating two way upside? Or a reborn Josh Richardson.

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And my thoughts on Siakam from a month or two ago, which I still reiterate I guess.



Just about spooled all of the word salad from my brain. I'm not feeling super optimistic, but I'm waiting tentatively to see what Morey does.

I think any of Keldon, Siakam or Dejounte (some more than others) at least help to bridge that gap a little bit. And allow us to keep adding to this core the way Boston have done when building around Tatum and Brown.


I don’t even know where to find the stat, but how many attempts per game is that 38% on corner 3’s for Siakam? Could be wrong, but just based on a quick glance at basic stats and the eye test I feel like that could be a misleading stat. 38% on like 1.5 attempts per game isn’t impressive and more than likely if you expand that to 3-4 attempts per game (like we need) the % would drop fairly drastically.

Personally I just don’t like the fit with Jo and Siakam. Having a dominant paint player really diminishes the value of a guy like Siakam who also needs to play within the 3 point line. I can see him being the next Tobias here if he were to be given a max contract. I don’t doubt Siakam could average 17/18 a game and 6/7 rebounds with solid D…but is that the smartest way to spend $42.5M per year?


So the "shooting" section of any players profile on bbref has the corner 3s stats further on the right of the chart. The frequency of them that are taken and the rate that they hit on them.

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Pascal's been shooting 50% from the corner this season so his accuracy over that time frame has gone up to 39.6% with about ~30% of his threes coming from the corner.

He's shot ~3.9 threes per game over that window with 28.2% of them coming from the corner, so about ~1.01 corner threes per game.

I went and checked Tobias' numbers over the same passage of time. ~4.2 threes per game with 24.1% of them coming from the corner (hitting them at a 41% clip).

So funnily enough also ~ 1.01 corner threes per game. So although it might seem like it, you're not in reality losing any shooting.


Exactly. I posted something similar but not as technical as this post a month or two ago.
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