I hate it, but Weaver absolutely has to be fired.

[Kilo]

Cliffs?

[kpt]

I just listened to the weaver part. Feels like a lot of empty words. He said all the right things in Buzz words like accountability, fit, injuries, failure is not an option, constant communication, turning over every stone, development. He spoke very highly of Cade and Duren and the vets game last game (it feels he expects Bog and Burks to shoot like that consistently, my words)

[whitehops]

yeah weaver rambled on a lot on but generally he said:

- we're relying on internal improvement from the young core
- we're going to be aggressive before the trade deadline and in the off season about putting players around the core
- we need shooting but defense is going to get us out of the basement
- they were really relying on the vets this year but injuries/harris being cooked squashed that idea.

funny woj asked him at one point how weaver has improved as a GM and what he can do to further improve and weaver just talked about self reflection, essentially avoiding the question. he also said he doesn't care about being right he just wants to make it right which is complete lip service without action.

to note: hayes, livers, sasser, bagley and wiseman were not mentioned. stewart got a very brief mention but *to me* it didn't sound like he included him in the core.

[Laimbeer]

Weaver sighting on the Woj Podcast

https://open.spotify.com/episode/0P3dqMzMQi5MJZwe0KhWTD?si=Iawt_B5FSHyhLkEG9VfEvw&nd=1&dlsi=f8cc1dc64ab54335

This was one of the most fascinating PR moves I’ve ever seen. Cade is a good dude for doing this and a keeper but wow.

Digusting that Weaver would drag Cade in to try and put a better face on the dumpster fire he created. I don't care if Cade agreed. One more nail in the Weaver coffin as far as I'm concerned.

[zeebneeb]

Weaver sighting on the Woj Podcast

https://open.spotify.com/episode/0P3dqMzMQi5MJZwe0KhWTD?si=Iawt_B5FSHyhLkEG9VfEvw&nd=1&dlsi=f8cc1dc64ab54335

This was one of the most fascinating PR moves I’ve ever seen. Cade is a good dude for doing this and a keeper but wow.

Digusting that Weaver would drag Cade in to try and put a better face on the dumpster fire he created. I don't care if Cade agreed. One more nail in the Weaver coffin as far as I'm concerned.

If anyone wants to know what a verbal human shield is like, listen to the podcast.

I'll bet anything the agreement to even do the podcast meant having both on, or not at all.

We'll see what happens, but I'm worried about what's coming down the pike.

extremely worried.

[breezypeezy]

I dont understand this thread title.
Why would anyone preface Weaver getting fired with
"I hate it" ?
Should probably read, "Cherish the day" , the architect of our destruction is being justly sacked!

[JNewton]

When you take a step back and think about it, it's really quite striking how little assets the Pistons have in year 4 of a rebuild, considering 3 straight top 5 picks, with 1 being first overall, and having had cap space to absorb contracts in exchange for asset gathering throughout. How Weaver is still here, yet alone being empowered by Gores to make more moves and probably tie up cap flexibility for the foreseeable future is quite depressing.

[whitehops]

it's not a secret i think weaver has done a terrible job building this team but i will give him credit for acquiring monte morris. it was the perfect move for what we needed, essentially a huge upgrade on cojo to have a veteran guard run the bench. it just sucks that he hasn't played a game. if we had monte playing we would definitely have more than 3 wins. having someone that can actually run an offense would help the bench lineup so much and we've lost a bunch of games because of those minutes.

[bstein14]

Tom Gores bought the PIstons in 2011... He literally fired Joe Dumars in 2014 to hire SVG... Dumars only got 3 years and he had previously won the team a championship in 04, was a franchise living legend, and he still had that team winning 29 games per year.

Tom Gores hired SVG in 2014 and he **** canned him in 2018 just months after allowing us to trade for Blake Griffin's massive 5 year contract.

Tom hired Weaver in June 2020 and we're now almost 4 years later we're a historically bad team with 3 wins on pace for a 7 win season we're looking like we might be lucky to have 5 wins by the all-star break... and it feels like Weaver has zero pressure on him right now. I think we could literally only win 8 games this season and Weaver would still be here making all the moves this summer and next year.

[Mr Peanut]

Tom Gores bought the PIstons in 2011... He literally fired Joe Dumars in 2014 to hire SVG... Dumars only got 3 years and he had previously won the team a championship in 04, was a franchise living legend, and he still had that team winning 29 games per year.

Tom Gores hired SVG in 2014 and he **** canned him in 2018 just months after allowing us to trade for Blake Griffin's massive 5 year contract.

Tom hired Weaver in June 2020 and we're now almost 4 years later we're a historically bad team with 3 wins on pace for a 7 win season we're looking like we might be lucky to have 5 wins by the all-star break... and it feels like Weaver has zero pressure on him right now. I think we could literally only win 8 games this season and Weaver would still be here making all the moves this summer and next year.

Agree with a reasonable amount of the above, but it was pretty clear that Dumars had to go. Granted, he is a franchise legend and the architect of the 2004 team. But he had been terrible for years, starting with the Billups/Iverson trade and then signing Ben Gordon/Charlie Villanueva while also concurrently extending a declining Rip Hamilton (and then having to buy him out later). With the John Kuester era mutiny, a lot of fans were already on the fire Dumars train before Gores even bought the team.

My main criticism of Gores in that situation is that he clearly put a win now mandate to Dumars for a franchise that desperately needed to do a proper rebuild, which resulted in us trading Ben Gordon along with what became the #9 pick and then using the cap space to sign Josh Smith and trade for Brandon Jennings. Of course the rest is history. But it was pretty clear that by the time 2014 rolled around that Dumars was no longer the man to lead us forward (and unfortunately we still haven't found that person 10 years on).

[LaSheed]

I really think there are too many chefs in the kitchen.

[A_dub06]

I really think there are too many chefs in the kitchen.

That and the wrong chefs are in the kitchen

[SuperBad]

We just need two solid veterans that are considered a top 15-20 player for there position, particularly two shooters, I think you add that to Cade and Duran and then that’s 4 legit pieces, than with-all the swing for the fences players, the odds go up because the cornerstones of legitimate NBA roster is there, we always have a roster full of guys 6-9 rotation pieces. I think we will start win after we add two legitimate pieces to are trough of young talent, with winning there value will go up, we can use that to acquire the next Rasheed Wallace, or build the next up and coming thing that attracts free agents, but I don’t think we can continue to just draft, even lottery picks, and expect to be a winning team for another 2-3 years if we don’t go that route.

[Kalamazoo317]

We just need two solid veterans that are considered a top 15-20 player for there position, particularly two shooters, I think you add that to Cade and Duran and then that’s 4 legit pieces, than with-all the swing for the fences players, the odds go up because the cornerstones of legitimate NBA roster is there, we always have a roster full of guys 6-9 rotation pieces. I think we will start win after we add two legitimate pieces to are trough of young talent, with winning there value will go up, we can use that to acquire the next Rasheed Wallace, or build the next up and coming thing that attracts free agents, but I don’t think we can continue to just draft, even lottery picks, and expect to be a winning team for another 2-3 years if we don’t go that route.

Cade and Bojan are our only two top 100 players right now, so, yeah, adding two more of those would be good for us.

[Piston Pete]

We need to turn Bogey into younger assets/pieces.

But Weaver seems content to keep him.

[Kalamazoo317]

We need to turn Bogey into younger assets/pieces.

But Weaver seems content to keep him.

We don't have enough youth for you?

[Piston Pete]

Just need guys that will still be good 3-4 years from now, so when Cade/Ivey/Duren are ready to win

[Crymson]

It's beyond me why Weaver is being maintained after assembling this catastrophe of a roster. Best case scenario is keeping a guy in place who has proven himself to be extremely ineffective in his role. Worst case is backing him into a corner with demands for immediate improvement, which Gores did with his last two GMs with predictable results.

Seems he's going for a third time. He learns nothing.

[MortSahlfan]

I think many were thinking we'd be getting a guy with great talent evaluation, and people naturally assumed Weaver had a lot to do with Presti's success, but since he left OKC, he's drafted **** and OKC drafts guys, and they're now one of the best teams in the league, and still very young, and will be winning soon.

[bstein14]

We need to turn Bogey into younger assets/pieces.

But Weaver seems content to keep him.

We don't have enough youth for you?

From an asset management perspective, it makes sense to exchange Bojan for something else.

What do we do with him this summer? Pick up his $18 million option which means $18 million less in cap space? This seems like a lost chance to use that money to get someone who will be better for us in the long run. Or do we just let him leave and sign somewhere else. He isn't going to want to retire a Piston that is for certain. He was already told previously that this season we were adding a FA and had money to spend and that we were going to compete for the play-in / playoffs so he was already told a bag of lies by Weaver.

I feel like when you say "younger" it could be someone who is in their prime like 28, 29, etc it doesn't mean a kid on a rookie contract.