What wrong Raptors did to Siakam that he is giving such hard time to Raptors?

[LoganAndWade]

Seemed like the franchise prioritized individual goals for players before team objectives. They could say otherwise but the actions speak louder.

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[StopitLeo]

Yes. We can give him 8% raises while another team can only gife 5%. I believe it amounts to a difference of ~$7M over the life of the contract.

That 5th year is ~$56M.

So, is that $7M enough to prevent him from signing with a team like Philly where he may think he has more chance of success? Does a team like the Pacers have to commit to the 5th year? Hard to know at present.

the question is tho what is the hangup? if masai feels he doesn't deserve the max, then what is fair? og is expected to make 30-35 per year. then is siakam making 40-45 not fair? and if he is making around 47-48 is it such a massive overpayment when the lux tax is around 170M.
there are still a lot of missing pieces here.

Is it money? Is it years? Some reports suggest the issue is contract length.

In the CBA when they talk about extensions the term includes the remaining years on the current deal. Grange wrote that the team offered a 3-year extension at the beginning of the 2022-2023 season that he rejected. At that point Pascal had 2 years remaining on his contract (that season and the current season) so a 3-year extension would only add 1 new year beyond his current deal.

The only way a 3-year extension makes sense is if those 3-years refer to the new years. In that case it would mean the Raptors actually offered a 5-year extension. It is understandable that Pascal wouldn’t accept that deal when his free agency represents his last opportunity to sign a big contract.

So last year was the “selfish” year which is all Masai referred to when asked about why there hasn’t been an extension at the start of this season (per Grange). I interpret that as the team being unsure about Pascal long-term. It makes sense they wouldn’t want to give him more than the 3 new years that Grange had probably been referring to previously, which means at most they would be offering a 4-year extension right now.

I think there was a report that Pascal would sign an extension now if offered, which would have to mean a 5-year extension that adds 4 new years. That would be the same as signing a 4-year extension in the off-season.

So if the Raptors are willing to offer 4-years in the summer they could just offer him 5-years now. Seems like they aren’t prepared to just do that yet instead of contributing to explore trades.

If you’re Pascal and actually interested in staying with the Raptors I can see this as being pretty annoying unless both sides are way off on the actual money. I doubt that because a two time All-NBA player like Siakam should absolutely get the max (not super max).

In then end it seems like this is just the “NBA is a business” playing out and not that the Raptors have wronged Pascal or that he did something to offend them.

Seems like the Raptors aren’t clear whether there is more value in what Pascal can return in a trade or what he brings re-signed so they are doing their due diligence to find out with the trade market. The backstop is offering him the 4 years in the summer and if Pascal really wants to stay a Raptor he’ll take the money, even if it is just $7M. If it’s about total money for Pascal they team might just need to concede the 5th year.

[libertyYYZ]

You have to look at it this way, if this was a KD or Kawhi or Giannis or Tatum or any of the main top 20 players in the nba in their final year, we would be getting really good offers for them. The issue really is here that we treated Siakam like a max player and gave him the reigns. The league is not stupid, they know he should be paid around 35 Mil, and dont want to be stuck with a 5 year max contract for a non max player. This is why we are getting crappy offers. So all the blame is on Masai who has become a terrible talent evaluator. He propped him like a major star and now its coming to bite him

The younger Raptors on the championship team also watched Kyle Lowry run out the clock and hit free agency to see what was on offer. FVV who was strongly mentored by Lowry benefited big time with his contract. Siakim seeing what Lowry and FVV did is following the same playbook. Each of them had strong contributions on a championship team, so they were all in demand as free agents.

Expect more of the same with Siakim. He's on a losing team with limited upside, so he's running out the clock. It's better for him to be on the open market for a 4 or 5 year contract rather than taking a 2 year extension with a trading partner. Raptors have limited leverage on an expiring contract, so the take will be small since the only trade bidders with be teams with championship aspirations who will only give up weaker players and picks. So Masai's options are to go for picks, prospects or cap space since it's looking unlikely that Siakim is taking a team-friendly extension.

[alienchild]

Raptors have tried to trade Siakam multiple times but every time their effort has been torpedoed because Siakam's camp leaked that he will not resign with the new team and instead will test free agency. No team would trade for Siakam in this case.

What wrong Raptors did to Siakam that he is giving such hard time to Raptors?

Siakam has to take a pay cut if he want to stay as a Raptor
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Post#1 » by srhcan » Mon Feb 13, 2023 4:06 pm

This year he is being paid 35 millions, next year he will be paid almost 38 millions. This is too much money to spend on a player who is not a superstar. He has not been able to prove that he is that much worth. Its a massive overpay as it currently stands. If Raptors want to keep him then his next contract should be much lower than how much he making now. No more gravy train.

[ItsDanger]

Seemed like the franchise prioritized individual goals for players before team objectives. They could say otherwise but the actions speak louder.

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Huh? Have you been paying attention at all? Should we start at the beginning or pick it up at at a specific point? WTF.

[OakleyDokely]

This topic is so overrated.

Siakam will sign with the team that offers him the most money, and that will likely be the team that holds his bird rights. Max level players don't leave money on the table. it just doesn't happen.

If a team isn't willing to offer him the max, they really shouldn't be calling the Raps or Siakam.

Any organization that trades for his brid rights and is willing to pay market value will sign him, regardless of what the different sides are leaking.

[Raps in 4]

Nothing. It's just business.

Masai **** up by not trading him earlier. Most FOs don't wait until the very last minute to trade an expiring star player.

[mrdressup]

The more I've heard Siakam talk, the more I've not liked what I've heard from him. He's not realistic about who he is on a good team. He's put too much stock on who he was on a pretty bad team (ours). He's been disruptive of the trading process we've tried to engage in and that is never going to float well with the people who are tasked with maximizing the return on his hide. In many ways it's probably the management's fault too, because they've waited until the absolute last minute to try and get some sort of concessions on a deal. The trade just needs to happen. He' s a bad influence on our other players at this point. How he plays is not what we want leading our team by example.

[ruckus]

Just business. As for Pascal, I think it's not so much that he truly wants to remain a Raptor for life, I don't think he likes change.

The way the lockdown went for him, the bubble, he seems to be a guy that enjoys consistency. Prior to the Tampa season, there was a report that a particular player was upset because the team hadn't yet made a decision on where the team was playing and that this player needed time to get things set up prior to the season. I've always felt that was Pascal. It just seemed to fit the personality that we've gotten a glimpse of.

Not to mention that pretty much his whole family lives in Southern Ontario now.

Now if a team gives him a Fred-type deal where they pay him more than what anyone else is willing to pay him, Raps included, he'll get the bag but I truly believe that Toronto is options 1 and 2 for him. He just needs to max out what he can get.

[KP730]

I believe his preference is to get the bag and stay in Toronto.

You can't fault either of those. Players just don't do hometown discounts unless named Bosh and give a destination club a discount.

exactly, I don’t fault Siakam at all in this situation, nor the raps front office (other than the fact that we shoulda traded him earlier IMO, but will reserve judgement until I see what we end up getting…)

clear that he wants to secure the 5-year max bag, preferably in Toronto….but Toronto doesn’t want to sign him to that….so Siakam wants to go to a team that will fully max him out

at the end of the day, I’m convinced he’d even sign with Detroit if they offering fully maxed out 5 year contract. that’s what all this is about, and can’t fault him for trying to get that type of money. it’s all business

[LoganAndWade]

Seemed like the franchise prioritized individual goals for players before team objectives. They could say otherwise but the actions speak louder.

Huh?
How?
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Huh? Have you been paying attention at all? Should we start at the beginning or pick it up at at a specific point? WTF.

wow

[canada_dry]

So calling him selfish in the media and publicly chastising him, cutting him off completely in the summer and severely straining the relationship isnt enough of a reason for a guy to focus on doing what's best for himself?

Im a masai guy but come on. The way hes treated siakam is just not good.

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[HumbleRen]

Siakam is easily a max player, just not on a rebuilding team.

Tobias Harris makes more than Siakam and nobody gives a **** because he’s on a contender. We should of traded him as soon as Scottie won ROTY but alas, now we have to trade from a position of weakness.

[Indomitable]

Raptors have tried to trade Siakam multiple times but every time their effort has been torpedoed because Siakam's camp leaked that he will not resign with the new team and instead will test free agency. No team would trade for Siakam in this case.

What wrong Raptors did to Siakam that he is giving such hard time to Raptors?

He wants to make a lot more money. It is called being responsible.

[ishoy123]

Raptors have tried to trade Siakam multiple times but every time their effort has been torpedoed because Siakam's camp leaked that he will not resign with the new team and instead will test free agency. No team would trade for Siakam in this case.

What wrong Raptors did to Siakam that he is giving such hard time to Raptors?

He wants to make a lot more money. It is called being responsible.

He's making the same amount wherever he goes.

[GooniesNeverDie]

Siakam should just have no agency at all.. if he cares about the fans he should agree to an extension to wherever the FO ships him because….. why?


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[Raptaurus]

Masai and company just took too long to see the writing on the wall (“we got to see what we got”) instead of cashing in at least some of their chips. All that leverage he had disappeared when he didnt trade Siakam at last year’s deadline. Now Siakam is doing what any pending free agent does.

[SurgeIblocka]

Siakam is easily a max player, just not on a rebuilding team.

Tobias Harris makes more than Siakam and nobody gives a **** because he’s on a contender. We should of traded him as soon as Scottie won ROTY but alas, now we have to trade from a position of weakness.

Tobias harris is a toxic contract which philly has been trying to unload for a few years now. That is what Siakam’s contract will be in 2 years

[CazOnReal]

Siakam is easily a max player, just not on a rebuilding team.

Tobias Harris makes more than Siakam and nobody gives a **** because he’s on a contender. We should of traded him as soon as Scottie won ROTY but alas, now we have to trade from a position of weakness.

Tobias harris is a toxic contract which philly has been trying to unload for a few years now. That what siskams contract will be in 2 years

Good lord the hyperbole

No, Siakam is not falling that hard in 2 seasons, nor will he be as bad of a contract as Toby was/is right now. You can argue he might decline by the end of that contract but he's still going to be more valuable than the guy who was overpaid by about $20 million even at the time of signing.

[mdenny]

You have to look at it this way, if this was a KD or Kawhi or Giannis or Tatum or any of the main top 20 players in the nba in their final year, we would be getting really good offers for them. The issue really is here that we treated Siakam like a max player and gave him the reigns. The league is not stupid, they know he should be paid around 35 Mil, and dont want to be stuck with a 5 year max contract for a non max player. This is why we are getting crappy offers. So all the blame is on Masai who has become a terrible talent evaluator. He propped him like a major star and now its coming to bite him

jerami grant got paid 32; og will be paid around 35; if the league thinks he doesn't deserve more than 35, then that is severe underpayment.

Surge is just wrong here. The hangup for teams is not "we don't want to pay x for siakam". Many of them are lux tax teams. The issue is "how do we know siakam won't sign elsewhere". And siakam IS taking advantage of that dynamic which is his right.