Fultz Prediction

[VFX]

He is, and has been, THE move for this timid FO.

The FO isn't a "stop-gap" front office. Also, this team isn't contending for a title yet to make that sort of move.

They're out of a rebuilding situation with flexibility/capital. They just need to make the playoffs and go from there. If they trade for somebody at the deadline best believe they'll resign that person for a 3-4 year deal.

I don't view Tyus as a stop-gap. I see him as our starter for the next ~year or so until AB is ready. He then slides into Cole's role. Hardly, stop-gap.

Tyus is less of a stopgap than a guy like Rozier or Brogdon.

Unfortunately he’s also probably costlier as a trade asset assuming they don’t wait for free agency.

Yes, they’d resign whoever they trade for that happens to be expiring after this season. “Stop-gap” meaning it would be the interim starter so you don’t have to pay Fultz to be broken or AB to struggle playing 14-16 mpg in games the team expects to be winning.

As it was mentioned this offseason - You didn’t pick a lane, so now you have to do both. Paolo expects the playoffs and the clock is ticking. Nobody is waiting around for Jett and Black to develop into starters for multiple years we have guys still on value deals.

THEREFORE you pay a competent point guard that knows what the **** they are doing. And no, that isn’t Fultz 100% of the time or Cole 50% of the time.

[KillMonger]

The FO isn't a "stop-gap" front office. Also, this team isn't contending for a title yet to make that sort of move.

They're out of a rebuilding situation with flexibility/capital. They just need to make the playoffs and go from there. If they trade for somebody at the deadline best believe they'll resign that person for a 3-4 year deal.

I don't view Tyus as a stop-gap. I see him as our starter for the next ~year or so until AB is ready. He then slides into Cole's role. Hardly, stop-gap.

Tyus is less of a stopgap than a guy like Rozier or Brogdon.

Unfortunately he’s also probably costlier as a trade asset assuming they don’t wait for free agency.

Yes, they’d resign whoever they trade for that happens to be expiring after this season. “Stop-gap” meaning it would be the interim starter so you don’t have to pay Fultz to be broken or AB to struggle playing 14-16 mpg in games the team expects to be winning.

As it was mentioned this offseason - You didn’t pick a lane, so now you have to do both. Paolo expects the playoffs and the clock is ticking. Nobody is waiting around for Jett and Black to develop into starters for multiple years we have guys still on value deals.

THEREFORE you pay a competent point guard that knows what the **** they are doing. And no, that isn’t Fultz 100% of the time or Cole 50% of the time.

+1000 man, i don't think i've could've said this any better....this is what i was getting at when i said "stop-gap" and if i'm being transparent....it's kind of more or less what i saw in a van fleet move as well....someone who can help with some of our weaknesses while being able to carry some of the load offensively until paolo and franz are full ready to take over a team and be leaders...Tyus can be that to a lesser degree....someone who can effectively run the show while at the same time not adding to the spacing issues....also is a legit veteran and can pass on some knowledge to Anthony Black until he's ready to take over if he lives up to his potential

[Ugly0598]

Idk I don’t follow the Magic but they could use a healthy Fultz in the starting lineup averaging 13/5/4 or whatever Fultz used to bring.

Utah seems be playing well with Kris Dunn otherwise I’d say trade for an expiring Fultz.

[Skybox]

The FO isn't a "stop-gap" front office. Also, this team isn't contending for a title yet to make that sort of move.

They're out of a rebuilding situation with flexibility/capital. They just need to make the playoffs and go from there. If they trade for somebody at the deadline best believe they'll resign that person for a 3-4 year deal.

I don't view Tyus as a stop-gap. I see him as our starter for the next ~year or so until AB is ready. He then slides into Cole's role. Hardly, stop-gap.

Tyus is less of a stopgap than a guy like Rozier or Brogdon.

Unfortunately he’s also probably costlier as a trade asset assuming they don’t wait for free agency.

Yes, they’d resign whoever they trade for that happens to be expiring after this season. “Stop-gap” meaning it would be the interim starter so you don’t have to pay Fultz to be broken or AB to struggle playing 14-16 mpg in games the team expects to be winning.

As it was mentioned this offseason - You didn’t pick a lane, so now you have to do both. Paolo expects the playoffs and the clock is ticking. Nobody is waiting around for Jett and Black to develop into starters for multiple years we have guys still on value deals.

THEREFORE you pay a competent point guard that knows what the **** they are doing. And no, that isn’t Fultz 100% of the time or Cole 50% of the time.

Rozier scares me a bit but you could make a good argument for Brogdon to at least be on par with Tyus.

Tyus is great, don't get me wrong, but...

Brogdon is much bigger
Brogdon is a much better defender
Brogdon is a much more explosive scorer
Brogdon is under contract-so we'd have certainty of retaining him
Tyus is a much better game manager, which is great, but maybe not our highest need from our backcourt
Both are high % 3pt shooters, but Brogdon is much more aggressive in shooting them
Brogdon's injury history is concerning for sure but he's played well and often the last few years.

I'd be happy with either...right behind Simons on my (maybe) realistic guard wish list.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Idk I don’t follow the Magic but they could use a healthy Fultz in the starting lineup averaging 13/5/4 or whatever Fultz used to bring.

Utah seems be playing well with Kris Dunn otherwise I’d say trade for an expiring Fultz.

I’m not sure we’ll see that Fultz again this year. He was roaring with confidence and had swag to end the year in 22/23.

His recent injury and likely shoulder flare up has him with no confidence and his hitch is back big time.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

I don't view Tyus as a stop-gap. I see him as our starter for the next ~year or so until AB is ready. He then slides into Cole's role. Hardly, stop-gap.

Tyus is less of a stopgap than a guy like Rozier or Brogdon.

Unfortunately he’s also probably costlier as a trade asset assuming they don’t wait for free agency.

Yes, they’d resign whoever they trade for that happens to be expiring after this season. “Stop-gap” meaning it would be the interim starter so you don’t have to pay Fultz to be broken or AB to struggle playing 14-16 mpg in games the team expects to be winning.

As it was mentioned this offseason - You didn’t pick a lane, so now you have to do both. Paolo expects the playoffs and the clock is ticking. Nobody is waiting around for Jett and Black to develop into starters for multiple years we have guys still on value deals.

THEREFORE you pay a competent point guard that knows what the **** they are doing. And no, that isn’t Fultz 100% of the time or Cole 50% of the time.

Rozier scares me a bit but you could make a good argument for Brogdon to at least be on par with Tyus.

Tyus is great, don't get me wrong, but...

Brogdon is much bigger
Brogdon is a much better defender
Brogdon is a much more explosive scorer
Brogdon is under contract-so we'd have certainty of retaining him
Tyus is a much better game manager, which is great, but maybe not our highest need from our backcourt
Both are high % 3pt shooters, but Brogdon is much more aggressive in shooting them
Brogdon's injury history is concerning for sure but he's played well and often the last few years.

I'd be happy with either...right behind Simons on my (maybe) realistic guard wish list.

Issue is I don’t think we’ve got good enough playable vet for Brogdon. They’re not going to want Cole, Gary & Isaac are useless for them

[MartinsIzAfraud]

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It's sad but it is clearly over for Fultz here.

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[pepe1991]

What to even expect in return if guy is expiring contract and has been hurt and is having disaster of a season?

Fultz numbers are painful. 8ppg, 45% TS.
0-3 for 3
sub 35% from mid range

What's selling point? You want Ben Simmons without size, defense, but on less idiotic contract? We have guy for you. He is as injury prone as Ben !

And as extra bonus, he this year shoots 4-10 from FT line.

Sample size is very small, 8 games, but you have 24 days to trade him

[Skybox]

His value is an expiring $17m piece of paper. The value will be what's attached (pick?, player?) or, who they get off their future payroll in return.

...on the bright side, so was Gary Harris when we traded AG for a first, RJ and matching expiring salary filler (who turned out pretty good).

[jezzerinho]

Yet again this FO blew the trading window for players.

Whats happening, imo, is they want to be loved by players. Small market destination, so they want to go above and beyond looking after players, in the hopes of attractimg them and retaining them.

Flawed logic, because they never bother to attract anyone, they miss out on totally obvious improvement options (like FVV and IQ), they waste a ton of money and they hamstring their success by having a roster stuffed with declining, oft-injured bargain basement players on inflated deals.

[Bergmaniac]

He never had much trade value. The GMs in this league are well aware that you aren't going anything in the NBA with a PG who refuses to take 3s and doesn't get to the line. And his contract was always an overpay.

[zaymon]

It was over long ago, just some didnt want to accept reality.

[Fortune Teller]

I think we missed the trade window on Fultz. He's become so worthless that he's just an expiring contract, and teams don't value those the way they used to. It would have to be for a contract that another team was really looking to unload and get off the books for the next 2 or 3 years. If you had to throw in a first-round kicker, what would be the point of doing that when his deal expires in a few months and we'll be done with him anyway?

The exception would be if the player the other team wants to unload actually fills a need for us despite arguably being overpaid. But we're well past the point of Fultz being viewed as an expiring deal who can also help the other team for the remainder of this season. He's essentially an expiring deal who would be cut.

The biggest weakness of this front office has been its inability to cut its losses before it's too late. Isaac, Fultz, Bamba, Fournier, Okeke all had value at one point, but we went well past that point on all of them. WCJ might be on that list too. Investing and re-investing in broken assets while hoping they fix themselves is never a good strategy.

[p0peye]

I think we missed the trade window on Fultz. He's become so worthless that he's just an expiring contract, and teams don't value those the way they used to. It would have to be for a contract that another team was really looking to unload and get off the books for the next 2 or 3 years. If you had to throw in a first-round kicker, what would be the point of doing that when his deal expires in a few months and we'll be done with him anyway?

The exception would be if the player the other team wants to unload actually fills a need for us despite arguably being overpaid. But we're well past the point of Fultz being viewed as an expiring deal who can also help the other team for the remainder of this season. He's essentially an expiring deal who would be cut.

The biggest weakness of this front office has been its inability to cut its losses before it's too late. Isaac, Fultz, Bamba, Fournier, Okeke all had value at one point, but we went well past that point on all of them. WCJ might be on that list too. Investing and re-investing in broken assets while hoping they fix themselves is never a good strategy.

We only deal or let go of player after we make sure there's absolutely no value in them. We double check and let it rest before making a final decision to go shop them for a first round pick. It's a trading strategy that never fails.

[zaymon]

I think we missed the trade window on Fultz. He's become so worthless that he's just an expiring contract, and teams don't value those the way they used to. It would have to be for a contract that another team was really looking to unload and get off the books for the next 2 or 3 years. If you had to throw in a first-round kicker, what would be the point of doing that when his deal expires in a few months and we'll be done with him anyway?

The exception would be if the player the other team wants to unload actually fills a need for us despite arguably being overpaid. But we're well past the point of Fultz being viewed as an expiring deal who can also help the other team for the remainder of this season. He's essentially an expiring deal who would be cut.

The biggest weakness of this front office has been its inability to cut its losses before it's too late. Isaac, Fultz, Bamba, Fournier, Okeke all had value at one point, but we went well past that point on all of them. WCJ might be on that list too. Investing and re-investing in broken assets while hoping they fix themselves is never a good strategy.

We only deal or let go of player after we make sure there's absolutely no value in them. We double check and let it rest before making a final decision to go shop them for a first round pick. It's a trading strategy that never fails.

We traded Vucevic at his peak value so its not always true. Lets be honest we didnt have world beaters to trade. Both WCJ and Fultz were damaged goods.
For our team interesting part starts now. I will be less forgiving from now on. Paolo and Franz are worth building around.

[p0peye]

I think we missed the trade window on Fultz. He's become so worthless that he's just an expiring contract, and teams don't value those the way they used to. It would have to be for a contract that another team was really looking to unload and get off the books for the next 2 or 3 years. If you had to throw in a first-round kicker, what would be the point of doing that when his deal expires in a few months and we'll be done with him anyway?

The exception would be if the player the other team wants to unload actually fills a need for us despite arguably being overpaid. But we're well past the point of Fultz being viewed as an expiring deal who can also help the other team for the remainder of this season. He's essentially an expiring deal who would be cut.

The biggest weakness of this front office has been its inability to cut its losses before it's too late. Isaac, Fultz, Bamba, Fournier, Okeke all had value at one point, but we went well past that point on all of them. WCJ might be on that list too. Investing and re-investing in broken assets while hoping they fix themselves is never a good strategy.

We only deal or let go of player after we make sure there's absolutely no value in them. We double check and let it rest before making a final decision to go shop them for a first round pick. It's a trading strategy that never fails.

We traded Vucevic at his peak value so its not always true. Lets be honest we didnt have world beaters to trade. Both WCJ and Fultz were damaged goods.
For our team interesting part starts now. I will be less forgiving from now on. Paolo and Franz are worth building around.

I know, it was a bit of exaggeration on my part to illustrate how inert our front office tends to be. On other hand, their hand was forced by injuries and trade requests.

[JoshuaPotter]

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The ship sailed and worse is that ship is taking its roster spot with him. If we can get through this without trading a core piece i'm gonna be impressed.

Fultz for a 2nd into cash considerations is just as likely as any other scenario we dream up. I can't think of one where a team hangs up the phone instantly the moment we name Fultz.

Maybe if we dangled our 1st unprotected this year, and the Denver pick. But my oh my what a risk that would be. (We don't need more rookies though.)

[BCS]

Fultz never really did have actual trade value. He was always a question mark that yes, was showing improvements, but unfortunately was never healthy to gain that value.

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