Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread

[KillMonger]

Oh lord no, he's our third best scorer why would we bench him? Out of love for AB?

Rookie Cole and rookie Suggs showed way more as rooks than Black has thus far

Have you seen him play last few weeks? Teams are targetting Cole almost everytime hes out there. And hes not even efficient at scoring.

Also have you forgot how bad Suggs was as a rookie?? Gotta give guys time.

He’s in a slump. Not having the gravity of Franz is super impactful. He’s actually been pretty good most of the season. I think this love for AB is astounding. Maybe he pans out but we need to capitalize on building around Franchero. I dont think he’s it

Love for AB is warranted in my eyes, maybe not enough to stop a good deal but for a rookie he has done what he's supposed to do, show flashes in year 1

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[fendilim]

We don't know what AB will be. I don't feel like he's been given the green light on offense, and he's still 19. I still believe he'll be a big time scorer

It would be pretty unprecedented for a guy who wasn't a good scorer in high school, wasn't a good scorer in college and hasn't been a good scorer as a rookie in the league to eventually become a big time scorer.

And that's ok!

It was never really about shooting or scoring with Black. It was about the fact he projected to do everything else at a potentially very high level, while being able to get the shooting/scoring piece to an acceptable level.

If Black can settle in to being like a 15 PPG guy who can create good shots for others, defend his ass off against multiple positions, rebound at a high level, make threes at high enough level, that's more than fine.

Lonzo Ball got $20M a year by averaging 14-5-6-1.5 with excellent defense. Ben Simmons got a max contract averaging 16-8-8-1.7.

But just because you like the guy doesn't mean you should just pretend he has some sort of insane upside that he really doesn't have.

He can also be a star the way he plays the game.

[thelead]

Im not trading for Murray. Despite our struggles, our vibes are actually good, and the vibes check dont click with me and Murray.

I've pushed for him as well out of desperation for a quality guard but I'd be lying if I didn't feel bad about it. I agree that the vibes don't check out with Murray. Seems like a guy that will pout if things don't go his way. Still intriguing if other guards are unattainable though.

This is what Im doing if Im GM.

Im using Wendell, Fultz and Gary and future draft picks and bring in a high quality guard. (Cole cant be traded because of extension right?)

And in offseason, Im targetting either Claxton or Hartenstein.

100% what I'm thinking as well. Cole can be traded now.

[Rainwater]

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Fultz being on the trade block should have been obvious since the offseason when they didn’t extend him.

[fendilim]

Trade gurus, what's the market value for Fultz?

Healthy sized expiring, not much upside for immediate rotation contributions or filling a long-term role.

2 2nds if by himself. hopefully this means we’re looking to include him with an asset to grab a lead guard. Jones Brogdon Simmons possibly?

We couldnt even get 2 2nds for a player on an expiring deal with a jumpshot.

He’d probably part of a salary dump.

[thelead]

Trade gurus, what's the market value for Fultz?

Healthy sized expiring, not much upside for immediate rotation contributions or filling a long-term role.

2 2nds if by himself. hopefully this means we’re looking to include him with an asset to grab a lead guard. Jones Brogdon Simmons possibly?

We couldnt even get 2 2nds for a player on an expiring deal with a jumpshot.

He’d probably part of a salary dump.

His value is his contract to match money for whoever we're trading for. He is a money-matching throw-in.

[thelead]

WCJ + Cole works for Dejounte
WCJ + Cole also works for Simons

[Knightro]

The most obvious and lowest risk move that wouldn't likely scare Weltman too much is Fultz and a pick for Tyus Jones.

[Rainwater]

I really do expect all assets to be on the table for the magic to get a third option on the perimeter. This includes expirings in Fultz and Harris. The young guys including WCJ, Black, and Jett. And both first round picks that the Magic have. With all that being said I doubt that Cole is traded they just signed the guy to a contract and he has been playing well this year.

[Rainwater]

WCJ + Cole works for Dejounte
WCJ + Cole also works for Simons

I really don’t see the Magic trading Cole, he has been good in his role this year and they just resigned him.

[Knightro]

WCJ + Cole works for Dejounte
WCJ + Cole also works for Simons

I really don’t see the Magic trading Cole, he has been good in his role this year.

Cole's role becomes less important if the Magic add a 32-35 MPG lead guard who can score like Murray or Simons.

Fultz could handle backup PG duties if he's not part of the trade.

[VFX]

Not sure if I should be the one to say i **** told you so about moving Fultz prior to this season and was met by people saying “let’s wait and see” in his contract year instead of moving him in the middle of last season.

How’d that work out for them? Now he’s an expiring contract instead of a guy with 1.5 years left at likely double the value when Magic had nothing to gain this time last season. Womp womp.

Play stupid games.

[orlando_joe]

Not sure if I should be the one to say i **** told you so about moving Fultz prior to this season and was met by people saying “let’s wait and see” in his contract year instead of moving him in the middle of last season.

How’d that work out for them? Now he’s an expiring contract instead of a guy with 1.5 years left at likely double the value. Womp womp.

Play stupid games.

one could say more value as exp...lol

[thelead]

WCJ + Cole works for Dejounte
WCJ + Cole also works for Simons

I really don’t see the Magic trading Cole, he has been good in his role this year.

Cole's role becomes less important if the Magic add a 32-35 MPG lead guard who can score like Murray or Simons.

Fultz could handle backup PG duties if he's not part of the trade.

It also opens up trading for or signing a backup like Tyus.

Simons or Murray/Tyus
Suggs/AB

That would be one hell of an upgrade for us.

[VFX]

Not sure if I should be the one to say i **** told you so about moving Fultz prior to this season and was met by people saying “let’s wait and see” in his contract year instead of moving him in the middle of last season.

How’d that work out for them? Now he’s an expiring contract instead of a guy with 1.5 years left at likely double the value. Womp womp.

Play stupid games.

one could say more value as exp...lol

This time last season Fultz had the highest value he’s ever had. Too bad right? Sucks being so right all the time.

[orlando_joe]

Not sure if I should be the one to say i **** told you so about moving Fultz prior to this season and was met by people saying “let’s wait and see” in his contract year instead of moving him in the middle of last season.

How’d that work out for them? Now he’s an expiring contract instead of a guy with 1.5 years left at likely double the value. Womp womp.

Play stupid games.

one could say more value as exp...lol

This time last season Fultz had the highest value he’s ever had. Too bad right? Sucks being so right all the time.

really? what was it a 2nd and exp? he never had first value

[Rainwater]

WCJ + Cole works for Dejounte
WCJ + Cole also works for Simons

I really don’t see the Magic trading Cole, he has been good in his role this year.

Cole's role becomes less important if the Magic add a 32-35 MPG lead guard who can score like Murray or Simons.

Fultz could handle backup PG duties if he's not part of the trade.

I disagree, the Jazz years ago had a starting lineup of Mitchell and Conley and still had Clarkson and Joe coming off the bench. Cole will get his mins as a microwave scorer off the bench. I just don’t see the Magic trading Cole when they just resigned him in the offseason and he has been great so far. I really think the magic like Cole.

[Rainwater]

Not sure if I should be the one to say i **** told you so about moving Fultz prior to this season and was met by people saying “let’s wait and see” in his contract year instead of moving him in the middle of last season.

How’d that work out for them? Now he’s an expiring contract instead of a guy with 1.5 years left at likely double the value when Magic had nothing to gain this time last season. Womp womp.

Play stupid games.

I don’t know man. I think this whole thing worked fine for the magic. They weren’t really trying to win last year, so getting a guy of value wasn’t necessary. And now that the Magic are competitive Fultz does hold value as an expiring contract and a filler in a trade to get someone on the perimeter.

[Knightro]

I'm not sure Fultz has ever really had much trade value for what he brings on the court. Not even last year.

[Rainwater]

Not sure if I should be the one to say i **** told you so about moving Fultz prior to this season and was met by people saying “let’s wait and see” in his contract year instead of moving him in the middle of last season.

How’d that work out for them? Now he’s an expiring contract instead of a guy with 1.5 years left at likely double the value. Womp womp.

Play stupid games.

one could say more value as exp...lol

Yeah, I tend to agree with this he has more value as an expiring contract. As a player, he really is limited. I really don’t think many teams can use what he provides even if it was last year.