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Post#101 » by AirP. » Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:44 pm

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SOOOOoooooo Sad, so for yall hoping to improve this trade deadline. Our cheap owner aint going over the 2nd Apron, so theres that.

Wait until next year when they have to be under the 1st apron too.

It's not terrible of an owner to want to stay out of the tax, at least he'll spend up to the tax line, there are owners out there who won't do that and will sell off players to make a bigger profit while being under the tax.
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Post#102 » by IceColdCubano » Mon Jan 15, 2024 4:00 pm

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SOOOOoooooo Sad, so for yall hoping to improve this trade deadline. Our cheap owner aint going over the 2nd Apron, so theres that.

Wait until next year when they have to be under the 1st apron too.

It's not terrible of an owner to want to stay out of the tax, at least he'll spend up to the tax line, there are owners out there who won't do that and will sell off players to make a bigger profit while being under the tax.

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Were already over the 1st Apron...
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Post#104 » by DayofMourning » Mon Jan 15, 2024 4:05 pm

twix2500 wrote:Seen an interesting lineup Spo ran last night.
J. Richardson - B. Adebayo - C. Martin - D. Robinson - H. Highsmith

That unit had a defensive rating of 64.7. It is the most played unit by Spo. It was absolutely smothering Rozier and Ball.

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Post#105 » by AirP. » Mon Jan 15, 2024 4:35 pm

IceColdCubano wrote:
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SOOOOoooooo Sad, so for yall hoping to improve this trade deadline. Our cheap owner aint going over the 2nd Apron, so theres that.

Wait until next year when they have to be under the 1st apron too.

It's not terrible of an owner to want to stay out of the tax, at least he'll spend up to the tax line, there are owners out there who won't do that and will sell off players to make a bigger profit while being under the tax.

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Were already over the 1st Apron...

Next year is what I said....

Not only would there be a tax, the repeater tax comes into play if Miami is in the tax next year.
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Post#107 » by twix2500 » Mon Jan 15, 2024 4:39 pm

DayofMourning wrote:
twix2500 wrote:Seen an interesting lineup Spo ran last night.
J. Richardson - B. Adebayo - C. Martin - D. Robinson - H. Highsmith

That unit had a defensive rating of 64.7. It is the most played unit by Spo. It was absolutely smothering Rozier and Ball.

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How many mins together?


They played 8 mins together
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Post#108 » by IceColdCubano » Mon Jan 15, 2024 4:44 pm

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So technically were actually over and in the Second Apron, however once certain things clear we would be only 2.3M under it. Disgusting.....why are we in this situation.... I know why, bad contacts to bad players.
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Post#109 » by Flash4thewin » Mon Jan 15, 2024 4:58 pm

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Nah time to put that pride to the side and go all in for Jimmy.


I think our FO unfortunately have gone passed the all in for Jimmy phase. He just doesn't have enough juice in him left for them to put their cards on the table for it anymore. Its a transition bridge to winning with the next crew, hoping to pull it off with what we got this year would be there hope but not an absolute. As a fan it sucks but that is what I feel like FO is in as headspace. They like their Bam, JJJ, Jovic, Herro core moving forward. with players like Duncan, JRich, Highsmith, Caleb filling in the rest.


When did we ever go all in for Jimmy? The closest I can answer that is spending 180 million on Lowry and Duncan, that to me is not an all in move, thats more a of an incompetent borderline neglectful move.
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Post#110 » by RexBoyWonder » Mon Jan 15, 2024 5:00 pm

Dumping Lowry for Rozier saves us a lot of money, upgrades the team, we get younger, we're clearing space to add more players (Williams and Swider and another vet Min)...

Just **** do it.
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Post#111 » by twix2500 » Mon Jan 15, 2024 5:04 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:Dumping Lowry for Rozier saves us a lot of money, upgrades the team, we get younger, we're clearing space to add more players (Williams and Swider and another vet Min)...

Just **** do it.



Why are many assuming Rozier is cheap? The Hornets are not in any cap related problems to want to pay to shed salary
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Post#112 » by twix2500 » Mon Jan 15, 2024 5:10 pm

Likely the only way the Heat are trading Lowry is one there is a star player availalbe or a team is willing to pay the Heat for Lowry salary relief.
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Post#113 » by IceColdCubano » Mon Jan 15, 2024 5:11 pm

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IceColdCubano wrote:
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Nah time to put that pride to the side and go all in for Jimmy.


I think our FO unfortunately have gone passed the all in for Jimmy phase. He just doesn't have enough juice in him left for them to put their cards on the table for it anymore. Its a transition bridge to winning with the next crew, hoping to pull it off with what we got this year would be there hope but not an absolute. As a fan it sucks but that is what I feel like FO is in as headspace. They like their Bam, JJJ, Jovic, Herro core moving forward. with players like Duncan, JRich, Highsmith, Caleb filling in the rest.


When did we ever go all in for Jimmy? The closest I can answer that is spending 180 million on Lowry and Duncan, that to me is not an all in move, thats more a of an incompetent borderline neglectful move.


Never said we ever did go all in, I am saying that time to go all in has expired, this should have happened long ago, too late in the game, Jimmy doesn't have another one of those Super Human Playoffs Beast modes in him anymore for the entire playoff run. Sad to say but his best was last year, and that's not coming back. He is far more injury prone, and a lot less available moving forward.
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Post#114 » by IceColdCubano » Mon Jan 15, 2024 5:17 pm

twix2500 wrote:Likely the only way the Heat are trading Lowry is one there is a star player availalbe or a team is willing to pay the Heat for Lowry salary relief.


Yeah the math aint mathing. IF lowry goes out on a trade they need at minimum in return $16M of the $30M of those dollars to be expiring or all $30M of them. The only way to stay below the 2nd Apron with a trade is either Herro $30M or Duncan's $18M. Herro is not going anywhere outside of anything for another star player ie Donovan, level player. Duncan is the most feasible of them all, however that team would need a $20M next year increasing salary motion shooter necessity on their team, those are usually contenders, and there isn't any contenders with $18M worth of PG to give us at this time.
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Post#115 » by AirP. » Mon Jan 15, 2024 5:20 pm

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I think our FO unfortunately have gone passed the all in for Jimmy phase. He just doesn't have enough juice in him left for them to put their cards on the table for it anymore. Its a transition bridge to winning with the next crew, hoping to pull it off with what we got this year would be there hope but not an absolute. As a fan it sucks but that is what I feel like FO is in as headspace. They like their Bam, JJJ, Jovic, Herro core moving forward. with players like Duncan, JRich, Highsmith, Caleb filling in the rest.


When did we ever go all in for Jimmy? The closest I can answer that is spending 180 million on Lowry and Duncan, that to me is not an all in move, thats more a of an incompetent borderline neglectful move.


Never said we ever did go all in, I am saying that time to go all in has expired, this should have happened long ago, too late in the game, Jimmy doesn't have another one of those Super Human Playoffs Beast modes in him anymore for the entire playoff run. Sad to say but his best was last year, and that's not coming back. He is far more injury prone, and a lot less available moving forward.

What's interesting is that this has been said the last few years yet we're about half a year away from him putting up 56 against the #1 team in the playoffs.

His game will and is aging fine, his body is aging too where injuries last longer so if this organization could get a proven scorer in the playoffs to some pressure off of Butler where he can pick his spots to go all out (which also puts him in possibly injury situations based on his type of game), this team will be in a much better position for the next few years.
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Post#116 » by wadenation305 » Mon Jan 15, 2024 5:26 pm

Something to keep in mind when talking about Duncan Robinson's contract. The last year of it. Only 9 Mil of it is guaranteed. So after this season he only has 1 season at 19 guaranteed. And half of this season was already paid by the Heat.
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Post#117 » by IceColdCubano » Mon Jan 15, 2024 5:30 pm

wadenation305 wrote:Something to keep in mind when talking about Duncan Robinson's contract. The last year of it. Only 9 Mil of it is guaranteed. So after this season he only has 1 season at 19 guaranteed. And half of this season was already paid by the Heat.

Knowing him, hell play top notch that last year and keep Miami from trading him.... :lol: :lol:
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Re: Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 3.0 

Post#118 » by wadenation305 » Mon Jan 15, 2024 5:32 pm

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IceColdCubano wrote:
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When did we ever go all in for Jimmy? The closest I can answer that is spending 180 million on Lowry and Duncan, to me is not an all in move, thats more a of an incompetent borderline neglectful move.


Never said we ever did go all in, I am saying that time to go all in has expired, this should have happened long ago, too late in the game, Jimmy doesn't have another one of those Super Human Playoffs Beast modes in him anymore for the entire playoff run. Sad to say but his best was last year, and that's not coming back. He is far more injury prone, and a lot less available moving forward.

What's interesting is that this has been said the last few years yet we're about half a year away from him putting up 56 against the #1 team in the playoffs.

His game will and is aging fine, his body is aging too where injuries last longer so if this organization could get a proven scorer in the playoffs to some pressure off of Butler where he can pick his spots to go all out (which also puts him in possibly injury situations based on his type of game), this team will be in a much better position for the next few years.


Athleticism is part of Jimmy's game. He bullies people in the paint. But he first gives them a short burst on initial contact. And needs to get lift to get the shot off. Jimmy has been barely jumping over a sheet of paper this season. You can see it when he shoots the mid-range and 3s. It's why his shots look like laser beams, with 0 arch to them. There's going to come a time when the layups stop going in, and then tweak an ankle again then go out of action for another month, a month and a half.
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Post#119 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Jan 15, 2024 5:41 pm

wadenation305 wrote:Something to keep in mind when talking about Duncan Robinson's contract. The last year of it. Only 9 Mil of it is guaranteed. So after this season he only has 1 season at 19 guaranteed. And half of this season was already paid by the Heat.

Yeah but who in there right mind is going to eat a 10 million buyout for Duncan to go away. That’s admitting a huge mistake. He’ll get traded well before they use that bloated buy out
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Post#120 » by AirP. » Mon Jan 15, 2024 5:43 pm

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Never said we ever did go all in, I am saying that time to go all in has expired, this should have happened long ago, too late in the game, Jimmy doesn't have another one of those Super Human Playoffs Beast modes in him anymore for the entire playoff run. Sad to say but his best was last year, and that's not coming back. He is far more injury prone, and a lot less available moving forward.

What's interesting is that this has been said the last few years yet we're about half a year away from him putting up 56 against the #1 team in the playoffs.

His game will and is aging fine, his body is aging too where injuries last longer so if this organization could get a proven scorer in the playoffs to some pressure off of Butler where he can pick his spots to go all out (which also puts him in possibly injury situations based on his type of game), this team will be in a much better position for the next few years.


Athleticism is part of Jimmy's game. He bullies people in the paint. But he first gives them a short burst on initial contact. And needs to get lift to get the shot off. Jimmy has been barely jumping over a sheet of paper this season. You can see it when he shoots the mid-range and 3s. It's why his shots look like laser beams, with 0 arch to them. There's going to come a time when the layups stop going in, and then tweak an ankle again then go out of action for another month, a month and a half.

Wait, you don't think he's doing that on purpose, conserving energy or preserving his body(legs/knees)?

You think a guy who dunked on Giannis in the playoffs all of a sudden lost the ability to jump because he's 6 to 12 months older? Quickness and speed fade first, jumping maybe next and strength, you can have that for a long time.

He just did this last year.
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