76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1

[76ciology]

John Collins is a bonehead. Who cares, so is Kelly Oubre.

What matters is that he's shooting 37% from three this year with rebounds, blocks, and he's athletic AF.

He's the PF we've dreamt about next to Embiid for a decade now.

-10 NetRtg OnCourt
+6 NetRtg OffCourt

I think he plays for himself than for the team.

[eyeatoma]

Absolute no way we get Lauri unless we give Maxey. Lauri is playing like a top 20 player in the league easily right now. Ainge will probably want a Gobert/Mitchell level haul.

[elchengue20]

Yeah I love Lauri here but a trade for him dont seem realistic. In moving away from that idea.

Its either Siakam or Murray this season. Or a minor move for a Brooklyn role player.

Murray apparently its close to Lakers. I guess they giving up Reaves, if not we can easily outbid them.

[Kobblehead]

John Collins is a bonehead. Who cares, so is Kelly Oubre.

What matters is that he's shooting 37% from three this year with rebounds, blocks, and he's athletic AF.

He's the PF we've dreamt about next to Embiid for a decade now.

-10 NetRtg OnCourt
+6 NetRtg OffCourt

I think he plays for himself than for the team.

Not surprised that his plus minus numbers are bad.

He plays a dependent position (F) and their PG play consists of Jordan Clarkson, Collin Sexton, and a rookie. Also, it's his first year in the organization so he has no chemistry or continuity with the group.

He's got the physical tools, the percentages, and the talent to thrive here and that's all I care about.

[Negrodamus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/196jrip/edwards_it_wouldnt_be_surprising_if_detroit_makes/

I think we can help Detroit not be a complete disaster with Tobias. Would likely require a third team with some value to send our way. Not sure Bojan Bogdanovic is going to improve our roster enough to warrant a straight up trade.

[Kobblehead]

Detroit's two biggest statistical weaknesses are three pointers (makes and percentage) and steals. And they have Marcus Sasser, a prospect who excelled in those exact traits, playing just 15 mpg. Put him on the court, you dopes.

KIllian Hayes is a bust, why is he playing nearly 25 mpg and ahead of Sasser?

[M2J]

Detroit's two biggest statistical weaknesses are three pointers (makes and percentage) and steals. And they have Marcus Sasser, a prospect who excelled in those exact traits, playing just 15 mpg. Put him on the court, you dopes.

KIllian Hayes is a bust, why is he playing nearly 25 mpg and ahead of Sasser?

Because they aren't trying to win. I can't be convinced otherwise. They want to find out what they have in players on rookie contracts that they may need to pay soon to have a new staff develop them or dump them. The younger talent has time for that.

[Zumramania]

I just hope we do make a trade and don't go into the playoffs with good ol' Tobias, this time expecting different results.

[elchengue20]

It's been 6 years of Tobias, Jesus, have mercy on us.

[Kolkmania]

Nearly halfway through the season and we're still 6th in offense and 2nd in defense. I would really like to see us double down on the Embiid and Maxey with 3&D players and see how we roll in the PO.

One wing/big guard with secondary playmaking and a replacement for Harris with worse shot creation but quicker trigger please (preferably a bit more consistency in its team defense).
Bogdan Bogdanovic and Cameron Johnson are my probably my favorite and semi-realistic targets.

[youngcrev]

Nearly halfway through the season and we're still 6th in offense and 2nd in defense. I would really like to see us double down on the Embiid and Maxey with 3&D players and see how we roll in the PO.

One wing/big guard with secondary playmaking and a replacement for Harris with worse shot creation but quicker trigger please (preferably a bit more consistency in its team defense).
Bogdan Bogdanovic and Cameron Johnson are my probably my favorite and semi-realistic targets.

I like both players and it would give them a better, more interesting lineup. My worry would be the lack of flexibility if it's not enough. I don't like the cap space plan, but that's obviously out the window. And you'd likely have to give a 1st for each of those guys, so you'd have less ammunition for a big deal.

Maybe it's enough, but I do think that puts a ceiling on your team and what you're capable of doing.

I think the more likely scenario would be you keep Tobias, and go for one or the other.

[zaz102]

Nearly halfway through the season and we're still 6th in offense and 2nd in defense. I would really like to see us double down on the Embiid and Maxey with 3&D players and see how we roll in the PO.

One wing/big guard with secondary playmaking and a replacement for Harris with worse shot creation but quicker trigger please (preferably a bit more consistency in its team defense).
Bogdan Bogdanovic and Cameron Johnson are my probably my favorite and semi-realistic targets.

I like both players and it would give them a better, more interesting lineup. My worry would be the lack of flexibility if it's not enough. I don't like the cap space plan, but that's obviously out the window. And you'd likely have to give a 1st for each of those guys, so you'd have less ammunition for a big deal.

Maybe it's enough, but I do think that puts a ceiling on your team and what you're capable of doing.

I think the more likely scenario would be you keep Tobias, and go for one or the other.

Still may not be the right/best move, but it can be done without trading Tobi. Something like

BBall + Morris + 1st for Cam J + Giles
RoCo + Furk + 1st for Bogdan + Wesley Matthews

Embiid / Bamba
Tobi & Cam J / Batum, Oubre
Maxey & Bogdan / Melton

Decent lineup for a playoff run. Then maybe you hope to sign Tobi or DDR for a decent price.

[Jailblazers7]

Detroit's two biggest statistical weaknesses are three pointers (makes and percentage) and steals. And they have Marcus Sasser, a prospect who excelled in those exact traits, playing just 15 mpg. Put him on the court, you dopes.

KIllian Hayes is a bust, why is he playing nearly 25 mpg and ahead of Sasser?

Monty Williams management of that guard rotation has been horrendous all year. He basically had to get publicly shamed into playing Jaden Ivey over Hayes & now the same is necessary for Sasser to get play time. Both have the tools to pair with Cade really well & need reps with him as an investment in the team’s future.

[youngcrev]

Nearly halfway through the season and we're still 6th in offense and 2nd in defense. I would really like to see us double down on the Embiid and Maxey with 3&D players and see how we roll in the PO.

One wing/big guard with secondary playmaking and a replacement for Harris with worse shot creation but quicker trigger please (preferably a bit more consistency in its team defense).
Bogdan Bogdanovic and Cameron Johnson are my probably my favorite and semi-realistic targets.

I like both players and it would give them a better, more interesting lineup. My worry would be the lack of flexibility if it's not enough. I don't like the cap space plan, but that's obviously out the window. And you'd likely have to give a 1st for each of those guys, so you'd have less ammunition for a big deal.

Maybe it's enough, but I do think that puts a ceiling on your team and what you're capable of doing.

I think the more likely scenario would be you keep Tobias, and go for one or the other.

Still may not be the right/best move, but it can be done without trading Tobi. Something like

BBall + Morris + 1st for Cam J + Giles
RoCo + Furk + 1st for Bogdan + Wesley Matthews

Embiid / Bamba
Tobi & Cam J / Batum, Oubre
Maxey & Bogdan / Melton

Decent lineup for a playoff run. Then maybe you hope to sign Tobi or DDR for a decent price.

I meant more from an asset and cap space/flexibility perspective than a keeping Tobias around one.

[zaz102]

I like both players and it would give them a better, more interesting lineup. My worry would be the lack of flexibility if it's not enough. I don't like the cap space plan, but that's obviously out the window. And you'd likely have to give a 1st for each of those guys, so you'd have less ammunition for a big deal.

Maybe it's enough, but I do think that puts a ceiling on your team and what you're capable of doing.

I think the more likely scenario would be you keep Tobias, and go for one or the other.

Still may not be the right/best move, but it can be done without trading Tobi. Something like

BBall + Morris + 1st for Cam J + Giles
RoCo + Furk + 1st for Bogdan + Wesley Matthews

Embiid / Bamba
Tobi & Cam J / Batum, Oubre
Maxey & Bogdan / Melton

Decent lineup for a playoff run. Then maybe you hope to sign Tobi or DDR for a decent price.

I meant more from an asset and cap space/flexibility perspective than a keeping Tobias around one.

Gotcha. Good point. That's the tough thing. Deplete your assets to get a couple guys that you hope can make a difference out there with team chemistry or hold onto your assets for the true difference maker.

[youngcrev]

Still may not be the right/best move, but it can be done without trading Tobi. Something like

BBall + Morris + 1st for Cam J + Giles
RoCo + Furk + 1st for Bogdan + Wesley Matthews

Embiid / Bamba
Tobi & Cam J / Batum, Oubre
Maxey & Bogdan / Melton

Decent lineup for a playoff run. Then maybe you hope to sign Tobi or DDR for a decent price.

I meant more from an asset and cap space/flexibility perspective than a keeping Tobias around one.

Gotcha. Good point. That's the tough thing. Deplete your assets to get a couple guys that you hope can make a difference out there with team chemistry or hold onto your assets for the true difference maker.

Yeah.

From a flexibility standpoint, I could see Bogdanovic being more attractive. You could dump Reed/Springer and end up with a similar amount of cap space.

He's also probably a slightly better player, as well as a better fit since he slots into a 6th man role pretty seamlessly and provides the secondary creation we need.

[Kolkmania]

Nearly halfway through the season and we're still 6th in offense and 2nd in defense. I would really like to see us double down on the Embiid and Maxey with 3&D players and see how we roll in the PO.

One wing/big guard with secondary playmaking and a replacement for Harris with worse shot creation but quicker trigger please (preferably a bit more consistency in its team defense).
Bogdan Bogdanovic and Cameron Johnson are my probably my favorite and semi-realistic targets.

I like both players and it would give them a better, more interesting lineup. My worry would be the lack of flexibility if it's not enough. I don't like the cap space plan, but that's obviously out the window. And you'd likely have to give a 1st for each of those guys, so you'd have less ammunition for a big deal.

Maybe it's enough, but I do think that puts a ceiling on your team and what you're capable of doing.

I think the more likely scenario would be you keep Tobias, and go for one or the other.

As long as we maintain enough first round picks I think we have all the flexibility we want. Both Bogdanovic and Johnson have tradeable long term contracts while being decent players. If you want a big contract you combine those guys, but it also allows us to trade for smaller contracts. This is the kind of flexibility you don't have when you have a big 3.

In addition, I'd rather go into the summer with more long term contracts that allow us to resign Melton and perhaps RoCo (or Harris if he's still here) for more team friendly deals with their bird rights. That sound more appealing to me than signing a big contract with our cap space and fill out our 4-10 players on the rosters with MLE, and min. vet contracts.

I do think it would be tricky to acquire both with limited assets, but I think there's a chance that either the Hawks or Nets view Tobias Harris as a slighly positive asset (they need to maintain a roster that's able to compete since they don't own their first round pick). Combined with Springer, Martin, a 1st round pick and 2nd round picks we could assemble a package that resembles the value of 3/4 1st round picks.

[Kolkmania]

I meant more from an asset and cap space/flexibility perspective than a keeping Tobias around one.

Gotcha. Good point. That's the tough thing. Deplete your assets to get a couple guys that you hope can make a difference out there with team chemistry or hold onto your assets for the true difference maker.

Yeah.

From a flexibility standpoint, I could see Bogdanovic being more attractive. You could dump Reed/Springer and end up with a similar amount of cap space.

He's also probably a slightly better player, as well as a better fit since he slots into a 6th man role pretty seamlessly and provides the secondary creation we need.

Also Bogdanovic fills more of a need for us then Johnson. But it would be so good my personal well-being if can more wings that simply shoot, pass or drive when they catch the ball, instead of the back-to-the-basket ISO's of Harris. It has its value at times since he offers a reliable offensive option, but it also kills the flow of the offense so much.

[sixers hoops]

Nearly halfway through the season and we're still 6th in offense and 2nd in defense. I would really like to see us double down on the Embiid and Maxey with 3&D players and see how we roll in the PO.

One wing/big guard with secondary playmaking and a replacement for Harris with worse shot creation but quicker trigger please (preferably a bit more consistency in its team defense).
Bogdan Bogdanovic and Cameron Johnson are my probably my favorite and semi-realistic targets.

Yeah. I agree but have a hard time finding the right fit for now and the future. I don’t see Mikal, Lauri, or Ingram getting moved. And frankly, all the picks and swaps it would take makes me question it. I get dumping multiple firsts and swaps for a prime star, but these guys are great complementary pieces, so they have to be a perfect fit. Also, we could prob getting outbid for any of them.

If we had to move this year’s first for Bogdan, I might be able to stomach it, but I really don’t like moving future firsts. It usually doesn’t work out.

I would prob be happier if we could get a value player like a Finney-Smith for some seconds or something. If that’s not realistic, then maybe sit pat.

I get the debate of trading expirings and picks for a player now vs waiting for free-agency. I don’t think waiting for free-agency will yield much, but I don’t want to dump any first round picks for a move that doesn’t seriously improve our odds against the Celts, Bucks, etc. I don’t see a difference maker coming to Philly for expirings and the picks we can currently trade.

Ultimately, I think Mikal is ideal because I think Nurse could prob use him to solve a lot of our problems and he is still in his prime. He can shoot, defend, create some offense, etc. However, trading the max number of picks and swaps for a third option will eventually look like a disaster.

Morey has options, but they mostly involve overpaying for guys that ultimately won’t make us significantly better.

[76ciology]

I don't believe we'll engage in any trades that involve giving up our picks and compromising flexibility for future deals. Morey's approach is notably unhurried, especially now with his recent contract extension. There's no immediate pressure, allowing us to avoid the "wasting Embiid's prime" concern. Instead, the focus seems to be on elevating Embiid's status in the GOAT discussion (or back to back MVP), and Maxey being an allstar rather than solely pursuing a championship. Everyone’s happy, everyone is having their career year.

Unless a remarkable trade opportunity arises, it's unlikely we'll make any moves. This appears to be a transitional year, reminiscent of the 2020-2021 season, characterized by flirtations with NetRtg but lacking the firepower for playoff victory. I anticipate refraining from using picks for upgrades, with no inclination to offer them for players like Siakam or Dejounte. Perhaps, in the playoffs, a healthy Embiid could deliver a standout performance, preserving our ammunition for 1-2 significant moves in the following season.

Looking ahead to the offseason, I envision pursuing either Siakam or Paul George. The plan involves retaining our draft picks for future upgrades, maintaining flexibility in the process.