Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread

[Bensational]

Got to trade value to get value... Cole is gone if someone wants him and we're getting a legit starting guard back.

Doesn’t the poison pill make him harder to move? I can’t remember the conditions with that clause.

I don’t think Cole is going anywhere unless he wants to. Our FO has strong loyalty. My guess is if Fultz and WCJ are getting shopped it’s because the players can see they’re getting squeezed for minutes and they’ve indicated they would be happy to move on.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Have you seen him play last few weeks? Teams are targetting Cole almost everytime hes out there. And hes not even efficient at scoring.

Also have you forgot how bad Suggs was as a rookie?? Gotta give guys time.

He’s in a slump. Not having the gravity of Franz is super impactful. He’s actually been pretty good most of the season. I think this love for AB is astounding. Maybe he pans out but we need to capitalize on building around Franchero. I dont think he’s it

Love for AB is warranted in my eyes, maybe not enough to stop a good deal but for a rookie he has done what he's supposed to do, show flashes in year 1

Sent from the phone in my hands

I mean, sure. The hustle on D makes him a fan favorite. We’re playing 4 on 5 with no Franz

[Bergmaniac]

I really don’t see the Magic trading Cole, he has been good in his role this year.

Cole's role becomes less important if the Magic add a 32-35 MPG lead guard who can score like Murray or Simons.

Fultz could handle backup PG duties if he's not part of the trade.

I disagree, the Jazz years ago had a starting lineup of Mitchell and Conley and still had Clarkson and Joe coming off the bench. Cole will get his mins as a microwave scorer off the bench. I just don’t see the Magic trading Cole when they just resigned him in the offseason and he has been great so far. I really think the magic like Cole.

But Cole hasn't been great. Sure, his PPG look quite nice for a bench player, but his scoring efficiency is below league average and he is not much of a playmaker. On defence he tries hard usualy and is a very good rebounder, but is usually the weakest link in the defence and gets targeted. He has a negative net rating and the worst defensive rating on the team. A lot of the lineups in which he has played has been quite bad defensively (i.e. pretty much any lineup without Isaac in it, he has 119.17 DRTG in the minutes he's played this year without Isaac compared to 106.03 in the minutes he's played with him). He is doing fine for his contract, but he definitely should be in consideration for trades.

[jezzerinho]

I mean, if it doesnt hurt a bit to accept trading a guy, then he probably isn't that good and therefore that valuable as a trade chip.

If you want something good, youre gonna have to give something good in return.

For me, everyone bar Suggs, Franz, Paolo and Moritz should be on the potential block. Moe because keeping him around is good for Franz and hes earned it. Goga is tough, being a low salary expiring and due for a payday maybe his value is better if he stays and we see if we can afford him.

[VFX]

I'm not sure Fultz has ever really had much trade value for what he brings on the court. Not even last year.

This is kinda the cope though.

Yeah, WE know that he isn’t that great of a lead guard.

This time last season Fultz had played 24 games as a starter after missing the first 20 because he stubbed his toe. That player is worth significantly more on the market than a broken guy that hasn’t played at all on an expiring deal. Sure, some team will want the extra cap space but they aren’t giving Orlando real assets for him.

What was the downside? Weltman had to go find some stop gap guy or hand Cole the reigns for a few months? No. That requires actual work. Let’s settle back and get a Bol Bol return now because “let’s wait and see”.

[KillMonger]

He’s in a slump. Not having the gravity of Franz is super impactful. He’s actually been pretty good most of the season. I think this love for AB is astounding. Maybe he pans out but we need to capitalize on building around Franchero. I dont think he’s it

Love for AB is warranted in my eyes, maybe not enough to stop a good deal but for a rookie he has done what he's supposed to do, show flashes in year 1

Sent from the phone in my hands

I mean, sure. The hustle on D makes him a fan favorite. We’re playing 4 on 5 with no Franz

it's like that with fultz anyway...nothing new, difference is that the coaching staff trusts markelle more to handle the ball as opposed to making AB hand the ball off as soon as he crosses half court

[The-Stallion70]

If we trade for Tyus Jones, it's Cole Anthony who needs to be out of rotation. Not AB. Im regretting we ever signed Cole to an extension.

Im thinking I might even rather play a broken Fultz than Cole.

Oh lord no, he's our third best scorer why would we bench him? Out of love for AB?

Rookie Cole and rookie Suggs showed way more as rooks than Black has thus far

Have you seen him play last few weeks? Teams are targetting Cole almost everytime hes out there. And hes not even efficient at scoring.

Also have you forgot how bad Suggs was as a rookie?? Gotta give guys time.

I think Cole feels a bit slighted because he knows the Magic need a point guard and he has played well enough to get a shot at starting but still hasn't.

It's important that you understand kiddo that Cole has been scoring more efficiently than Paolo this year and his ts% is basically the exact same as Franz. It's true he does get targeted on defense but when you consider that the other guards put no pressure on the defense you have to try it.

It's important that you check facts before coming up with nonsense like saying Cole isn't efficient.

We shouldn't overvalue Black just because he's young. Many young guys don't develop like Kevin Knox.

Luka was straight up young when he was drafted but he was still good, still averaged 20 and 5. We should value players who are good and not just young. That's how pat Riley scouts players, he'll take an older rookie like Jaquez, he only cares if the guy can play ball.

[tiderulz]

Cole's role becomes less important if the Magic add a 32-35 MPG lead guard who can score like Murray or Simons.

Fultz could handle backup PG duties if he's not part of the trade.

I disagree, the Jazz years ago had a starting lineup of Mitchell and Conley and still had Clarkson and Joe coming off the bench. Cole will get his mins as a microwave scorer off the bench. I just don’t see the Magic trading Cole when they just resigned him in the offseason and he has been great so far. I really think the magic like Cole.

But Cole hasn't been great. Sure, his PPG look quite nice for a bench player, but his scoring efficiency is below league average and he is not much of a playmaker. On defence he tries hard usualy and is a very good rebounder, but is usually the weakest link in the defence and gets targeted. He has a negative net rating and the worst defensive rating on the team. A lot of the lineups in which he has played has been quite bad defensively (i.e. pretty much any lineup without Isaac in it, he has 119.17 DRTG in the minutes he's played this year without Isaac compared to 106.03 in the minutes he's played with him). He is doing fine for his contract, but he definitely should be in consideration for trades.

probably doesnt help that with the injuries, the good bench players he was playing with are now starters and he is playing with a worse bench.

[tiderulz]

I mean, if it doesnt hurt a bit to accept trading a guy, then he probably isn't that good and therefore that valuable as a trade chip.

If you want something good, youre gonna have to give something good in return.

For me, everyone bar Suggs, Franz, Paolo and Moritz should be on the potential block. Moe because keeping him around is good for Franz and hes earned it. Goga is tough, being a low salary expiring and due for a payday maybe his value is better if he stays and we see if we can afford him.

the thing about Goga, he will get more than the minimum, but he hasnt played so well that multiple teams will throw big money at him. he is a young, serviceable big but thats about it

[meatwad4343]

Fultz has no value other than the expiring to match salary, wcj probably has less value than we think due to injuries but he is on a very good contract. I wonder what those two and a pick could bring Back?

[zaymon]

I mean, if it doesnt hurt a bit to accept trading a guy, then he probably isn't that good and therefore that valuable as a trade chip.

If you want something good, youre gonna have to give something good in return.

For me, everyone bar Suggs, Franz, Paolo and Moritz should be on the potential block. Moe because keeping him around is good for Franz and hes earned it. Goga is tough, being a low salary expiring and due for a payday maybe his value is better if he stays and we see if we can afford him.

the thing about Goga, he will get more than the minimum, but he hasnt played so well that multiple teams will throw big money at him. he is a young, serviceable big but thats about it

WCJ is better than Goga so question is what we can get for him. We shouldnt trade him just to make space for Goga. I think Carter will be better with veteran team, when he wont need to be a leader he is not.

[jezzerinho]

I mean, if it doesnt hurt a bit to accept trading a guy, then he probably isn't that good and therefore that valuable as a trade chip.

If you want something good, youre gonna have to give something good in return.

For me, everyone bar Suggs, Franz, Paolo and Moritz should be on the potential block. Moe because keeping him around is good for Franz and hes earned it. Goga is tough, being a low salary expiring and due for a payday maybe his value is better if he stays and we see if we can afford him.

the thing about Goga, he will get more than the minimum, but he hasnt played so well that multiple teams will throw big money at him. he is a young, serviceable big but thats about it

WCJ is better than Goga so question is what we can get for him. We shouldnt trade him just to make space for Goga. I think Carter will be better with veteran team, when he wont need to be a leader he is not.

Not sure I agree with that, when you factor in health and fit on the team. If WCJ could stay fit and available, hed be a big trade asset.

[The-Stallion70]

Both Black and Suggs are overrated. Suggs superhuman defense he plays 2x a year is not sustainable. Like people think that he shuts down Curry every single time we play the Warriors just because of that of that one game but we just played the Warriors a few weeks ago and Curry had no problem with him and hung 36 on him.

The objective of the game is to put the ball in the basket. Defense is overrated. This is how we keep piling up injuries.

I also sure hope we don't overpay Suggs this offseason. Hrs proven to be a good player but he's still injury prone and this is his first season of efficient scoring on not a very high volume.

[tiderulz]

Both Black and Suggs are become overrated. Suggs superhuman defense he plays 2x a year is not sustainable. Like people think that he shuts down Curry every single time we play the Warriors just because of that of that one game but we just played the Warriors a few weeks ago and Curry had no problem with him and hung 36 on him.

The objective of the game is to put the ball in the basket. Defense is overrated. This is how we keep piling up injuries.

I also sure hope we don't overpay Suggs this offseason. Hrs proven to be a good player but he's still injury prone and this is his first season of efficient scoring on not a very high volume.

and Suggs is putting the ball in the basket. and defense isnt overrated, unless you have an HOF on your team

[JoshuaPotter]

The year we want to get value from WCJ or Fultz is also the year their value is in the guttar. I do not know how this works well for us. I get it it is frustrating that the org has invested so much capspace in often injured players.

While I think we are shopping them. I do not think we will get a much better offer then a pick. Their value is just that low. Unless you dangle Suggs or Black the idea that we will get a servicable 20 MPG player in return isn't looking good.

[jezzerinho]

Dunno if he can share the floor with Franz and Paolo (I suspect he can), but Cam Johnson being put on the trade block is v interesting to me as a Magic fan. Brooklyn has some interesting players. Walker, Thomas, Johnson, Claxton and DFS. Depends what their motivation is and if theyd deal with a rival like Orlando.

[VFX]

Both Black and Suggs are overrated. Suggs superhuman defense he plays 2x a year is not sustainable. Like people think that he shuts down Curry every single time we play the Warriors just because of that of that one game but we just played the Warriors a few weeks ago and Curry had no problem with him and hung 36 on him.

The objective of the game is to put the ball in the basket. Defense is overrated. This is how we keep piling up injuries.

I also sure hope we don't overpay Suggs this offseason. Hrs proven to be a good player but he's still injury prone and this is his first season of efficient scoring on not a very high volume.

You will die on this hill bro.

The reality is that Suggs is better at home than away games. You forget that Suggs and Black are on rookie contracts. You can talk about how they are overpaid/overrated when compared to guys at their position making similar money. There isnt really a comparison right now.

Defense isnt overrated and he is scoring on good volume. You just arent knowledgable enough to take seriously when you make these comments.

Also, what you are talking about is a lack of point guard getting misplaced with the 3&D Suggs brings to the game. Black is a rookie point guard. The argument has been made ad nauseam that they need a stopgap point guard to run the show in the meantime. Cole is not that guy.

[The Effect]

Dunno if he can share the floor with Franz and Paolo (I suspect he can), but Cam Johnson being put on the trade block is v interesting to me as a Magic fan. Brooklyn has some interesting players. Walker, Thomas, Johnson, Claxton and DFS. Depends what their motivation is and if theyd deal with a rival like Orlando.

Cam has been one of my favorite players since his college days and i would love for him to be on the team
Not sure where he would plays since it seems like hes moved to PF in the NBA, but if he can go back to that SG\SF role he played in college, he would be a great fit with franz, paolo, suggs

[JoshuaPotter]

Dunno if he can share the floor with Franz and Paolo (I suspect he can), but Cam Johnson being put on the trade block is v interesting to me as a Magic fan. Brooklyn has some interesting players. Walker, Thomas, Johnson, Claxton and DFS. Depends what their motivation is and if theyd deal with a rival like Orlando.

Cam has been one of my favorite players since his college days and i would love for him to be on the team
Not sure where he would plays since it seems like hes moved to PF in the NBA, but if he can go back to that SG\SF role he played in college, he would be a great fit with franz, paolo, suggs

From a stat sheet perspective probably one of the better ideas out there.

Paolo + Franz + Cam Johnson + Suggs would be a decent starting 4. I would still like to see ball handler at the point but it does solve spacing problems. (Should Franz 3ball return to form.)

[Knightro]

This is kinda the cope though.

Yeah, WE know that he isn’t that great of a lead guard.

This time last season Fultz had played 24 games as a starter after missing the first 20 because he stubbed his toe. That player is worth significantly more on the market than a broken guy that hasn’t played at all on an expiring deal. Sure, some team will want the extra cap space but they aren’t giving Orlando real assets for him.

What was the downside? Weltman had to go find some stop gap guy or hand Cole the reigns for a few months? No. That requires actual work. Let’s settle back and get a Bol Bol return now because “let’s wait and see”.

They needed to get rid of him because he is a terrible fit with the guys they’re building around, not because he had any value IMO.

Maybe you think that’s cope, but I just don’t think anybody wanted Fultz for his on court contributions at any point.