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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#761 » by aminiaturebuddha » Mon Jan 15, 2024 1:57 am

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Not saying Dick isn't disappointing - and frankly i'd put the odds of Dick becoming a player as impactful as Jimmy Buckets at 5 percent - but it's way too early to give up on him becoming a rotation-level player (Huerter as a player comp). I feel like the NBA has become spoiled of late by rookies or generally young guys becoming immediate contributors to their teams and thus there's less patience when it comes to these young guys if they do struggle.

Yes it sucks to see other guys picked later thrive while Dick is struggling - I was pulling for Keyonte (who struggles with efficiency admittedly) but was ultimately fine with picking Dick 13th - however it's not out of the realm of possibility he bounces back after a disappointing rookie debut. Hell, Jabari Smith Jr. is doing just that in Houston. In fact there's a lot of similarities between Smith Jr,'s season and Dick i.e. being drafted for their shooting (Jabari was also coveted for his defense, Dick was noted to be a good passer) but the shots not falling in their first season.

Oh and for those wondering, Jimmy Buckets was 40.5% from the field, 18.2% from 3 and 76.8% from the line.


Butler was also 22 in his rookie season and had played 3 seasons at Marquette. Obviously not saying that Dick will become anywhere near the player that Butler has been and yes he looks terrible so far, but your point is a good one - players develop differently and on different timelines. It's usually by a player's third year in the league that we really get a better sense of the kind of player they'll be.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#762 » by Coco Costanza » Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:41 am

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Mr. Perfect wrote:Until now the pick looks terrible. There's more than a handful of players picked after him that are contributing right now and have higher ceilings than Gradey as well.

Question is was Gradey a Masai pick or Bobby pick? Feels like Bobby had the call here since Gradey isn't exactly Masai's type. We've never drafted a player with his profile before let alone using a lottery pick on him. I also suspect if it were up to Bobby we would have ended up with Jalen Suggs. Masai probably overruled and went with Barnes which makes sense why even our own local reporters thought we were going with Suggs that year.


Yeah, I have to wonder who championed drafting Dick, unless it was just a matter of pouncing on him once they saw he dropped to them. Still, it wasn't necessarily either Bobby or Masai, possibly someone lower down who convinced them on draft night.


It would be nice to know. Babcock relied on the raptor scouts to pick Hoffa instead of using his own intuition and picking Iggy or Nelson.

Here is the list of the Raptors scouts.(I thought there would be more)

Chad Sanders, Director, Scouting
Aleem Hassanali, Specialist, Amateur Scouting
Ben Uzoh, Pro Scout
Mike Akuboh, Scout
Abel Nson, Scout


https://www.nba.com/raptors/team/raptors-management

I still hope Gradey reaches his full potential.


Just going by the sounds of those names, I'm going to assume it was Chad Sanders...
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#763 » by whitehops » Mon Jan 15, 2024 4:31 pm

i still like gradey to be a solid player long-term but it kind of stings seeing how jordan hawkins has started his career. if the pistons didn't get another pick to grab him i would've loved him on the raptors. he's kind of perfect on the pelicans but you can run actions with him that very few other players can do - he's in the klay, curry, korver territory for that.

would've been a great weapon for barnes.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#764 » by Kevin Willis » Mon Jan 15, 2024 4:52 pm

MoneyBall wrote:I get some relief knowing that Scoot looks terrible too.


To be fair, even on this board there were doubts on Scoot. He looked bad when he played Raptors 905. His shot wasn't good. He didn't dominate. Portland is going to have to be patient with him.

The guys doing well now either were NBA ready or had an NBA skill PLUS they're getting an opportunity to play. They also had decent summer leagues. Even Nick Smith Jr. has been decent. Hopefully he gets it together in time to GT Jr's replacement.

I have noticed that when Dick plays for the Raptors or 905 they lose and when he doesn't they have a better winning percentage. :no:
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#765 » by johanliebert » Mon Jan 15, 2024 5:30 pm

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MoneyBall wrote:I get some relief knowing that Scoot looks terrible too.


To be fair, even on this board there were doubts on Scoot. He looked bad when he played Raptors 905. His shot wasn't good. He didn't dominate. Portland is going to have to be patient with him.

The guys doing well now either were NBA ready or had an NBA skill PLUS they're getting an opportunity to play. They also had decent summer leagues. Even Nick Smith Jr. has been decent. Hopefully he gets it together in time to GT Jr's replacement.

I have noticed that when Dick plays for the Raptors or 905 they lose and when he doesn't they have a better winning percentage. :no:

Scoot just doesnt know the game yet maybe skipping college is the cause of that but with his speed/strength he'll improve. Some of these kids just aren't ready from day one fans are too quick with the bust label.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#766 » by ItsDanger » Mon Jan 15, 2024 6:30 pm

aminiaturebuddha wrote:
CazOnReal wrote:Image

Not saying Dick isn't disappointing - and frankly i'd put the odds of Dick becoming a player as impactful as Jimmy Buckets at 5 percent - but it's way too early to give up on him becoming a rotation-level player (Huerter as a player comp). I feel like the NBA has become spoiled of late by rookies or generally young guys becoming immediate contributors to their teams and thus there's less patience when it comes to these young guys if they do struggle.

Yes it sucks to see other guys picked later thrive while Dick is struggling - I was pulling for Keyonte (who struggles with efficiency admittedly) but was ultimately fine with picking Dick 13th - however it's not out of the realm of possibility he bounces back after a disappointing rookie debut. Hell, Jabari Smith Jr. is doing just that in Houston. In fact there's a lot of similarities between Smith Jr,'s season and Dick i.e. being drafted for their shooting (Jabari was also coveted for his defense, Dick was noted to be a good passer) but the shots not falling in their first season.

Oh and for those wondering, Jimmy Buckets was 40.5% from the field, 18.2% from 3 and 76.8% from the line.


Butler was also 22 in his rookie season and had played 3 seasons at Marquette. Obviously not saying that Dick will become anywhere near the player that Butler has been and yes he looks terrible so far, but your point is a good one - players develop differently and on different timelines. It's usually by a player's third year in the league that we really get a better sense of the kind of player they'll be.

Butler's rookie stats mean nothing and provide no comparison for Dick. Why?

Coach: Tom Thibodeau
Record: 50-16
Rotation: Rose, Noah, Deng, Boozer, Hamilton, Brewer, Korver, Watson, Gibson, Asik.

Most rookies are just getting garbage time in that situation.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#767 » by aminiaturebuddha » Mon Jan 15, 2024 6:45 pm

ItsDanger wrote:
aminiaturebuddha wrote:
CazOnReal wrote:Image

Not saying Dick isn't disappointing - and frankly i'd put the odds of Dick becoming a player as impactful as Jimmy Buckets at 5 percent - but it's way too early to give up on him becoming a rotation-level player (Huerter as a player comp). I feel like the NBA has become spoiled of late by rookies or generally young guys becoming immediate contributors to their teams and thus there's less patience when it comes to these young guys if they do struggle.

Yes it sucks to see other guys picked later thrive while Dick is struggling - I was pulling for Keyonte (who struggles with efficiency admittedly) but was ultimately fine with picking Dick 13th - however it's not out of the realm of possibility he bounces back after a disappointing rookie debut. Hell, Jabari Smith Jr. is doing just that in Houston. In fact there's a lot of similarities between Smith Jr,'s season and Dick i.e. being drafted for their shooting (Jabari was also coveted for his defense, Dick was noted to be a good passer) but the shots not falling in their first season.

Oh and for those wondering, Jimmy Buckets was 40.5% from the field, 18.2% from 3 and 76.8% from the line.


Butler was also 22 in his rookie season and had played 3 seasons at Marquette. Obviously not saying that Dick will become anywhere near the player that Butler has been and yes he looks terrible so far, but your point is a good one - players develop differently and on different timelines. It's usually by a player's third year in the league that we really get a better sense of the kind of player they'll be.

Butler's rookie stats mean nothing and provide no comparison for Dick. Why?

Coach: Tom Thibodeau
Record: 50-16
Rotation: Rose, Noah, Deng, Boozer, Hamilton, Brewer, Korver, Watson, Gibson, Asik.

Most rookies are just getting garbage time in that situation.


You missed the point, but that's alright.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#768 » by ItsDanger » Mon Jan 15, 2024 6:50 pm

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Butler was also 22 in his rookie season and had played 3 seasons at Marquette. Obviously not saying that Dick will become anywhere near the player that Butler has been and yes he looks terrible so far, but your point is a good one - players develop differently and on different timelines. It's usually by a player's third year in the league that we really get a better sense of the kind of player they'll be.

Butler's rookie stats mean nothing and provide no comparison for Dick. Why?

Coach: Tom Thibodeau
Record: 50-16
Rotation: Rose, Noah, Deng, Boozer, Hamilton, Brewer, Korver, Watson, Gibson, Asik.

Most rookies are just getting garbage time in that situation.


You missed the point, but that's alright.

No I didn't. People need to compare apples to apples. A 3 year college player should contribute right away. I expect very little from a freshman.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#769 » by Scase » Mon Jan 15, 2024 6:51 pm

mtcan wrote:However bad Gradey's shooting is today...remember...
Jalen Suggs shot 21% from 3 as a rookie...then 31% as a sophomore...now he's shooting 39.4% on 5.3 attempts a game.

Scottie shot 30% from 3 as a rookie...then 28% as a sophomore...now he's shooting 38.2% on 5.6 attempts a game.

Improvement is definitely possible.

Except neither of them were projected as the best shooter in the draft. Terrible comparison.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#770 » by The Duke » Mon Jan 15, 2024 7:30 pm

ItsDanger wrote:
aminiaturebuddha wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:Butler's rookie stats mean nothing and provide no comparison for Dick. Why?

Coach: Tom Thibodeau
Record: 50-16
Rotation: Rose, Noah, Deng, Boozer, Hamilton, Brewer, Korver, Watson, Gibson, Asik.

Most rookies are just getting garbage time in that situation.


You missed the point, but that's alright.

No I didn't. People need to compare apples to apples. A 3 year college player should contribute right away. I expect very little from a freshman.


Butler didn’t play because his team kicked ass out there. Dick is not playing because he is ass out there.

And that’s the point
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#771 » by MiamiSPX » Mon Jan 15, 2024 7:47 pm

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ItsDanger wrote:
aminiaturebuddha wrote:
You missed the point, but that's alright.

No I didn't. People need to compare apples to apples. A 3 year college player should contribute right away. I expect very little from a freshman.


Butler didn’t play because his team kicked ass out there. Dick is not playing because he is ass out there.

And that’s the point


The path to plenty of minutes was right there on a silver platter if he had shown something, anything. He isn't the first 20-year old to struggle mightily and he won't be the last but man, can't help seeing the golden opportunity he let get away.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#772 » by aminiaturebuddha » Mon Jan 15, 2024 8:24 pm

ItsDanger wrote:
aminiaturebuddha wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:Butler's rookie stats mean nothing and provide no comparison for Dick. Why?

Coach: Tom Thibodeau
Record: 50-16
Rotation: Rose, Noah, Deng, Boozer, Hamilton, Brewer, Korver, Watson, Gibson, Asik.

Most rookies are just getting garbage time in that situation.


You missed the point, but that's alright.

No I didn't. People need to compare apples to apples. A 3 year college player should contribute right away. I expect very little from a freshman.


No, the whole point was actually the exact opposite of comparing Dick to Butler or anyone else. The point is that players develop in wildly different ways, and so making judgements after 4 months might not give you any kind of accurate determination of a career trajectory for some players.

But yeah, I'd agree that a 3-year college player should in principle be closer to the player they'll become, but even then it isn't certain.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#773 » by HumbleRen » Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:23 pm

The issue with comparing Gradey to those other guys is all of them have built in upside to them. Jimmy was a long wing that projected to be a great wing defender. Suggs had an elite motor, even if his offence never came along, his floor was Marcus Smart.

Gradey doesn’t have that upside built into him, he’s either an elite shooter or will be out of the league by the time his rookie contract ends, there’s no in between.

We’ve been so talent starved for the last several years that people thought just because Gradey could make the obvious pass and rebound decently well meant that he was more than a shooter. He’s not, and never has been.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#774 » by Dalek » Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:04 pm

Just in case you were like at least we didn't draft Jett Howard he just had his third 30 point game.

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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#775 » by dozo » Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:04 pm

Being a triple threat is almost a prerequisite (minus centres) for every starter in todays NBA.

Majority of the poster have realistic expectations for Gradey's rookie yr.

Its his G-League play that has everyone questioning mgmts decision. Players have no control of which teams selects them. The cristism is directed at mgmt and co and not a 20 year kid. (Chad lol)

Reports say that he has a strong work ethic so their's a chance he reaches his potential.
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Post#776 » by TravisScott55 » Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:46 pm

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Post#777 » by Brinbe » Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:21 pm

He's been a complete zero so far but it's not as if he was some wildly off-the-board pick.

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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#778 » by changes » Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:49 pm

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i'd put the odds of Dick becoming a player as impactful as Jimmy Buckets at 5 percent


5%? :rofl:
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Post#779 » by Stromile12 » Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:58 pm

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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#780 » by DG88 » Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:10 am

Gradey has a sprained thumb just answer blow to his season
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