Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 2

[mihaic]

Sorry, but Gradey Dick is untouchable. Masai just came out with the statement.

Why? Swapping Dick and Johnson is fair IMO.

[Rapsfan07]

I don't see the Raptors coughing up another first round pick nor do I see Indiana sending out a first round pick in addition to Mathurin as well...

That pick would be coming from Indiana. And if Indiana doesn't want to pay Mathurin and 1st for both Siakam and Grant then I'm not sure anyone is going to be able to help them.

I'd expect if Indiana was getting Siakam and Grant, that the player they'd be shipping out would be Nesmith, not Mathurin. Grant would be their new SF.

I wouldn't be so sure.

I see no reason Nesmith can't simply be moved up to the SG slot and run Grant at SF and Siakam at PF. Hali's extension is kicking in next season and they'd need to re-up Siakam this upcoming off-season as well. I'd have to imagine they'd prefer Nesmith's defense and long term cost controlled deal over having to pay Mathurin.

I could be wrong though.

[Rapsfan07]

how does this imply they aren't gonna make a run at pascal?

Because Siakam, without a commitment, is a rental.

Siakam is not passing up the 5 year max, he aint a rental if he's offered it.

I agree. But whoever trades does Siakam is going to be in the same situation we are now where it's either they 5 year max him or lose him for nothing.

What if teams like him but don't want to pay the 5 year max and instead prefer the 4 year deal? Then there's a chance he walks to Philly, right?

So I think that's at least in part what is holding up a Siakam trade.

[Tor_Raps]

Are you referring to me here? I'm on the record saying Barnes is not a PG and should not treated as such. However, there is only one ball to go around. RJ and Murray are useless off-ball, so you relegate IQ and Scottie off ball to make this roster work. You're already seeing it with RJ in the lineup.

If our goal is to build around an IQ/Barnes core, why in the world would we relegate both in the offense to fit in RJ (a negative player his entire career so far outside his sophmore season) and Murray (an ok PG that has not shot it well from deep in any season outside the current one)?

Nah, I was talking about people in general who keep talking about guys taking away from Barnes like he needs to be babied all the time. We've seen him many times turn the switch on and off based on his mood.

Murray is a PG so he is used to having the ball in his hands but is also shooting 39% from 3 so he can also work off the ball. RJ is a wildcard because we have no clue what type of player he will be longterm but so far I love the potential.

Playing off-ball doesn't mean just to stand on the 3 point line and catch and shoot it. Having Murray in your lineup next to another ball dominant/initiator is not sustainable. The experiment don't work with Trae, why should it with IQ, Barnes and Barrett (hope he's getting traded asap).

But who is the Trae on our team and please don't say Barnes. Quickey currently is a below average playmaker BUT I can see the argument of trying to develop him into one. I thought Murray could be the primary ball handler with Barnes/IQ being secondary while RJ is more of a finisher/benefactor from the others.

I think Murray's name is more appealing to me than many of the other people mentioned simply because he's very skilled and is locked up to a good deal. We can always trade him if it doesn't workout.

[ArthurVandelay]

How bad do Sacramento want to get off Huerter and Barnes?

My understanding is that the Kings would still trade for Siakam even without the assurance that he’d re-sign, but his lack of commitment certainly changes the assets they’d be willing to give up alongside Harrison Barnes and Kevin Huerter.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/1/15/24038442/nba-trade-rumors-deadline-spurs-lakers-dejounte-murray-trae-young

[tdotrep2]

Because Siakam, without a commitment, is a rental.

Siakam is not passing up the 5 year max, he aint a rental if he's offered it.

I agree. But whoever trades does Siakam is going to be in the same situation we are now where it's either they 5 year max him or lose him for nothing.

What if teams like him but don't want to pay the 5 year max and instead prefer the 4 year deal? Then there's a chance he walks to Philly, right?

So I think that's at least in part what is holding up a Siakam trade.

I think if any team trades for him they are going to be willing to offer him the 5 year deal.

[WuTang_CMB]

How bad do Sacramento want to get off Huerter and Barnes?

My understanding is that the Kings would still trade for Siakam even without the assurance that he’d re-sign, but his lack of commitment certainly changes the assets they’d be willing to give up alongside Harrison Barnes and Kevin Huerter.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/1/15/24038442/nba-trade-rumors-deadline-spurs-lakers-dejounte-murray-trae-young

KOC not reporting anything new. SAC will trade their scraps for Siakam knowing he'd be a rental.

[Rapsfan07]

Siakam is not passing up the 5 year max, he aint a rental if he's offered it.

I agree. But whoever trades does Siakam is going to be in the same situation we are now where it's either they 5 year max him or lose him for nothing.

What if teams like him but don't want to pay the 5 year max and instead prefer the 4 year deal? Then there's a chance he walks to Philly, right?

So I think that's at least in part what is holding up a Siakam trade.

I think if any team trades for him they are going to be willing to offer him the 5 year deal.

I agree - they should be prepared to pay it. But like I said earlier - that may be what is, at least in part, holding up a Siakam deal. If he's not dealt, then none of this matters anyway because it will be us paying that 5 year max.

[Dalek]

Sorry, but Gradey Dick is untouchable. Masai just came out with the statement.

Why? Swapping Dick and Johnson is fair IMO.

I agree Dick cannot swapped. I also think it has to be Warriors or bust. Toronto wants a trio of Dick-Kum-Quickley to win a title.

[PhilBlackson]

The ONLY way I'd "want" to trade for Dejounte is if there is NO young upside player available which I find damn near impossible to believe....

Just by virtue of DET having interest means there's at least one. Now maybe they're trying to position Ivey as the headline piece and we want Ausar or Duren. But I'd even take an Ivey deal over Murray. Has every bit the potential to be as good, if not better than Murray with more contractual control, higher upside and the lesser discussed part - but I still have some questions around Murray's personality/character but I'll leave that aside.

Also GSW is involved and they're obviously not proposing just a Wiggins swap, they are at minimum including Moody and I'd even take him long term over Murray because he's a MUCH cleaner fit and of course has a history with Scottie that should boost morale and most importantly....Murray takes up TOO MUCH USAGE and we all know it's most likely to effect Scottie but it will surely do the same with IQ and he's basically on the same timeline as Pascal. I rather not and for those who are saying we could trade him later...sure but for what?! lol ATL can barely get anything for him now, he's not some great trade chip.

However I simply do not believe that between IND & GSW that one of them won't give in and trade either Walker or Kuminga. Walker has long been my favourite with JJ off the table and who I hope we get the most. BUT I think there are so many posters here underselling Kuminga as a prospect. While I understand that AT TIMES he hasn't shown the best decision making (I attribute some of that to age) too many of you make a lazy comparison to Precious, I guess based on him being African & elite athleticism (although JK is even a notch above Precious) BUT he's SO FAR ahead of Precious skillwise. He's ALREADY a much better ball handler with a MUCH faster first step and showing the ability to use his left hand unlike Achuiwa. I'm not saying he can reach superstar level (because I don't think he has some of the natural instincts of that true superstars tend to have early on) BUT I do think he can be a star to some extent. He just will obviously need to continue to further improve his jumper and decision making which should happen as the game slows down, technically he's still the age of a 2nd year player so he's still a baby yet so incredibly explosive, think what that looks like in 4-5 years when he does barely starting to entire his prime....I just believe we'd turn him into something and at minimum it will be FAR more exciting than watching Murray take the ball out of your young core's hands.

I believe we can/will get one of Walker or Kuminga BUT if we're a week out and neither team has folded, the only way I take Murray is if DET & GSW rescind their offers. I'm not interested in anything from IND without one of Mathurin or Walker and quite frankly if we had to deal with ATL, I'd take AJ before I do Murray and ya'll can flame away idgaf lol. Murray only beats out SAC's offer for m, I'm not even sure he'd be ahead of DAL for me because even DAL will give more depth that I think would probably help us be a better team than just Murray.

[Raptors Realtor]

Sorry, but Gradey Dick is untouchable. Masai just came out with the statement.

Why? Swapping Dick and Johnson is fair IMO.

Yep, Dick = Johnson.

[WuTang_CMB]

Sorry, but Gradey Dick is untouchable. Masai just came out with the statement.

Why? Swapping Dick and Johnson is fair IMO.

Yep, Dick = Johnson.

Watch on YouTube

[Raptors Realtor]

Why? Swapping Dick and Johnson is fair IMO.

Yep, Dick = Johnson.

Watch on YouTube

Exactly what I thought about when I typed it lol.

[Public_Enemy101]

Besides Toronto, you think Pascal or his agent has told Masai where he wants play?

Or you think it’s complete radio science between the two sides?

[ash_k]

Spoiler:

The ONLY way I'd "want" to trade for Dejounte is if there is NO young upside player available which I find damn near impossible to believe....

Just by virtue of DET having interest means there's at least one. Now maybe they're trying to position Ivey as the headline piece and we want Ausar or Duren. But I'd even take an Ivey deal over Murray. Has every bit the potential to be as good, if not better than Murray with more contractual control, higher upside and the lesser discussed part - but I still have some questions around Murray's personality/character but I'll leave that aside.

Also GSW is involved and they're obviously not proposing just a Wiggins swap, they are at minimum including Moody and I'd even take him long term over Murray because he's a MUCH cleaner fit and of course has a history with Scottie that should boost morale and most importantly....Murray takes up TOO MUCH USAGE and we all know it's most likely to effect Scottie but it will surely do the same with IQ and he's basically on the same timeline as Pascal. I rather not and for those who are saying we could trade him later...sure but for what?! lol ATL can barely get anything for him now, he's not some great trade chip.

However I simply do not believe that between IND & GSW that one of them won't give in and trade either Walker or Kuminga. Walker has long been my favourite with JJ off the table and who I hope we get the most. BUT I think there are so many posters here underselling Kuminga as a prospect. While I understand that AT TIMES he hasn't shown the best decision making (I attribute some of that to age) too many of you make a lazy comparison to Precious, I guess based on him being African & elite athleticism (although JK is even a notch above Precious) BUT he's SO FAR ahead of Precious skillwise. He's ALREADY a much better ball handler with a MUCH faster first step and showing the ability to use his left hand unlike Achuiwa. I'm not saying he can reach superstar level (because I don't think he has some of the natural instincts of that true superstars tend to have early on) BUT I do think he can be a star to some extent. He just will obviously need to continue to further improve his jumper and decision making which should happen as the game slows down, technically he's still the age of a 2nd year player so he's still a baby yet so incredibly explosive, think what that looks like in 4-5 years when he does barely starting to entire his prime....I just believe we'd turn him into something and at minimum it will be FAR more exciting than watching Murray take the ball out of your young core's hands.

I believe we can/will get one of Walker or Kuminga BUT if we're a week out and neither team has folded, the only way I take Murray is if DET & GSW rescind their offers. I'm not interested in anything from IND without one of Mathurin or Walker and quite frankly if we had to deal with ATL, I'd take AJ before I do Murray and ya'll can flame away idgaf lol. Murray only beats out SAC's offer for m, I'm not even sure he'd be ahead of DAL for me because even DAL will give more depth that I think would probably help us be a better team than just Murray.

At worst you have Dejoute as a great tradeable asset down the road.
All-Star (2022)+All-Defensive Second Team (2018)+steals leader (2022) => You have to respect that.
NO is a team that screams for that fit once they fully fail with that non-PG lineup.
I never got why ATL wanting him with Trae onboard.

[mtcan]

Sorry, but Gradey Dick is untouchable. Masai just came out with the statement.

Why? Swapping Dick and Johnson is fair IMO.

Swapping Dick for Johnson? 12 year old me had to chuckle when reading that.

[PhilBlackson]

Spoiler:

The ONLY way I'd "want" to trade for Dejounte is if there is NO young upside player available which I find damn near impossible to believe....

Just by virtue of DET having interest means there's at least one. Now maybe they're trying to position Ivey as the headline piece and we want Ausar or Duren. But I'd even take an Ivey deal over Murray. Has every bit the potential to be as good, if not better than Murray with more contractual control, higher upside and the lesser discussed part - but I still have some questions around Murray's personality/character but I'll leave that aside.

Also GSW is involved and they're obviously not proposing just a Wiggins swap, they are at minimum including Moody and I'd even take him long term over Murray because he's a MUCH cleaner fit and of course has a history with Scottie that should boost morale and most importantly....Murray takes up TOO MUCH USAGE and we all know it's most likely to effect Scottie but it will surely do the same with IQ and he's basically on the same timeline as Pascal. I rather not and for those who are saying we could trade him later...sure but for what?! lol ATL can barely get anything for him now, he's not some great trade chip.

However I simply do not believe that between IND & GSW that one of them won't give in and trade either Walker or Kuminga. Walker has long been my favourite with JJ off the table and who I hope we get the most. BUT I think there are so many posters here underselling Kuminga as a prospect. While I understand that AT TIMES he hasn't shown the best decision making (I attribute some of that to age) too many of you make a lazy comparison to Precious, I guess based on him being African & elite athleticism (although JK is even a notch above Precious) BUT he's SO FAR ahead of Precious skillwise. He's ALREADY a much better ball handler with a MUCH faster first step and showing the ability to use his left hand unlike Achuiwa. I'm not saying he can reach superstar level (because I don't think he has some of the natural instincts of that true superstars tend to have early on) BUT I do think he can be a star to some extent. He just will obviously need to continue to further improve his jumper and decision making which should happen as the game slows down, technically he's still the age of a 2nd year player so he's still a baby yet so incredibly explosive, think what that looks like in 4-5 years when he does barely starting to entire his prime....I just believe we'd turn him into something and at minimum it will be FAR more exciting than watching Murray take the ball out of your young core's hands.

I believe we can/will get one of Walker or Kuminga BUT if we're a week out and neither team has folded, the only way I take Murray is if DET & GSW rescind their offers. I'm not interested in anything from IND without one of Mathurin or Walker and quite frankly if we had to deal with ATL, I'd take AJ before I do Murray and ya'll can flame away idgaf lol. Murray only beats out SAC's offer for m, I'm not even sure he'd be ahead of DAL for me because even DAL will give more depth that I think would probably help us be a better team than just Murray.

At worst you have Dejoute as a great tradeable asset down the road.
All-Star (2022)+All-Defensive Second Team (2018)+steals leader (2022) => You have to respect that.
NO is a team that screams for that fit once they fully fail with that non-PG lineup.
I never got why ATL wanting him with Trae onboard.

But that’s based on your personal opinion…what the market is saying is he can barely get some middling players from LA or NYK which means the reality is his trade value is minimal.

[Kingsway_fan]

Dick will be the new Flynn in the roster for the next 4 years....

[ash_k]

Spoiler:

The ONLY way I'd "want" to trade for Dejounte is if there is NO young upside player available which I find damn near impossible to believe....

Just by virtue of DET having interest means there's at least one. Now maybe they're trying to position Ivey as the headline piece and we want Ausar or Duren. But I'd even take an Ivey deal over Murray. Has every bit the potential to be as good, if not better than Murray with more contractual control, higher upside and the lesser discussed part - but I still have some questions around Murray's personality/character but I'll leave that aside.

Also GSW is involved and they're obviously not proposing just a Wiggins swap, they are at minimum including Moody and I'd even take him long term over Murray because he's a MUCH cleaner fit and of course has a history with Scottie that should boost morale and most importantly....Murray takes up TOO MUCH USAGE and we all know it's most likely to effect Scottie but it will surely do the same with IQ and he's basically on the same timeline as Pascal. I rather not and for those who are saying we could trade him later...sure but for what?! lol ATL can barely get anything for him now, he's not some great trade chip.

However I simply do not believe that between IND & GSW that one of them won't give in and trade either Walker or Kuminga. Walker has long been my favourite with JJ off the table and who I hope we get the most. BUT I think there are so many posters here underselling Kuminga as a prospect. While I understand that AT TIMES he hasn't shown the best decision making (I attribute some of that to age) too many of you make a lazy comparison to Precious, I guess based on him being African & elite athleticism (although JK is even a notch above Precious) BUT he's SO FAR ahead of Precious skillwise. He's ALREADY a much better ball handler with a MUCH faster first step and showing the ability to use his left hand unlike Achuiwa. I'm not saying he can reach superstar level (because I don't think he has some of the natural instincts of that true superstars tend to have early on) BUT I do think he can be a star to some extent. He just will obviously need to continue to further improve his jumper and decision making which should happen as the game slows down, technically he's still the age of a 2nd year player so he's still a baby yet so incredibly explosive, think what that looks like in 4-5 years when he does barely starting to entire his prime....I just believe we'd turn him into something and at minimum it will be FAR more exciting than watching Murray take the ball out of your young core's hands.

I believe we can/will get one of Walker or Kuminga BUT if we're a week out and neither team has folded, the only way I take Murray is if DET & GSW rescind their offers. I'm not interested in anything from IND without one of Mathurin or Walker and quite frankly if we had to deal with ATL, I'd take AJ before I do Murray and ya'll can flame away idgaf lol. Murray only beats out SAC's offer for m, I'm not even sure he'd be ahead of DAL for me because even DAL will give more depth that I think would probably help us be a better team than just Murray.

At worst you have Dejoute as a great tradeable asset down the road.
All-Star (2022)+All-Defensive Second Team (2018)+steals leader (2022) => You have to respect that.
NO is a team that screams for that fit once they fully fail with that non-PG lineup.
I never got why ATL wanting him with Trae onboard.

But that’s based on your personal opinion…what the market is saying is he can barely get some middling players from LA or NYK which means the reality is his trade value is minimal.

What do you mean it is my personal opinion, it is DEJOUTE MURRAY!
The year prior to be moved to the SG in ATL, he was 21.1ppg|9.2apg|8.3rpg @Spurs
Why do you think ATL had to give up so much? He is only 27.

[ash_k]

Inexcusable loss of the Warriors at depleted Memphis. They need Pascal badly