76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1

[eyeatoma]

I don't believe we'll engage in any trades that involve giving up our picks and compromising flexibility for future deals. Morey's approach is notably unhurried, especially now with his recent contract extension. There's no immediate pressure, allowing us to avoid the "wasting Embiid's prime" concern. Instead, the focus seems to be on elevating Embiid's status in the GOAT discussion (or back to back MVP), and Maxey being an allstar rather than solely pursuing a championship. Everyone’s happy, everyone is having their career year.

Unless a remarkable trade opportunity arises, it's unlikely we'll make any moves. This appears to be a transitional year, reminiscent of the 2020-2021 season, characterized by flirtations with NetRtg but lacking the firepower for playoff victory. I anticipate refraining from using picks for upgrades, with no inclination to offer them for players like Siakam or Dejounte. Perhaps, in the playoffs, a healthy Embiid could deliver a standout performance, preserving our ammunition for 1-2 significant moves in the following season.

Looking ahead to the offseason, I envision pursuing either Siakam or Paul George. The plan involves retaining our draft picks for future upgrades, maintaining flexibility in the process.

What you said could be true, but I don't see any indication of that on social media or from what Daryl has said. They have to know Paul George is giong to LA, and Siakim could easily be traded. Then what happens this offseason?

Too many what ifs for the offseason, for them to hedge all their bets there, and not make a splash now. You get your players you need through trades not Free agency. That has been the case for the last 5 to 10 years. Only one trade of significance has happend and that was for O.G, and that was a fairly mid trade. No big trades yet, and there are tons of rumors swirling in general for the NBA.

If Morey thinks brittle Embiid is giong to last another year, he is really taking a risk. It could all come crashing down relatively soon. With Maxey playing like he does it behooves us to not have a go.

[76ciology]

I don't believe we'll engage in any trades that involve giving up our picks and compromising flexibility for future deals. Morey's approach is notably unhurried, especially now with his recent contract extension. There's no immediate pressure, allowing us to avoid the "wasting Embiid's prime" concern. Instead, the focus seems to be on elevating Embiid's status in the GOAT discussion (or back to back MVP), and Maxey being an allstar rather than solely pursuing a championship. Everyone’s happy, everyone is having their career year.

Unless a remarkable trade opportunity arises, it's unlikely we'll make any moves. This appears to be a transitional year, reminiscent of the 2020-2021 season, characterized by flirtations with NetRtg but lacking the firepower for playoff victory. I anticipate refraining from using picks for upgrades, with no inclination to offer them for players like Siakam or Dejounte. Perhaps, in the playoffs, a healthy Embiid could deliver a standout performance, preserving our ammunition for 1-2 significant moves in the following season.

Looking ahead to the offseason, I envision pursuing either Siakam or Paul George. The plan involves retaining our draft picks for future upgrades, maintaining flexibility in the process.

What you said could be true, but I don't see any indication of that on social media or from what Daryl has said. They have to know Paul George is giong to LA, and Siakim could easily be traded. Then what happens this offseason?

Too many what ifs for the offseason, for them to hedge all their bets there, and not make a splash now. You get your players you need through trades not Free agency. That has been the case for the last 5 to 10 years. Only one trade of significance has happend and that was for O.G, and that was a fairly mid trade. No big trades yet, and there are tons of rumors swirling in general for the NBA.

If Morey thinks brittle Embiid is giong to last another year, he is really taking a risk. It could all come crashing down relatively soon. With Maxey playing like he does it behooves us to not have a go.

That's the two conflicting narratives that will determine our plan. Do we go "all in" this season due to uncertainty about when Embiid might break down, or do we exercise patience and aim to acquire players at a lower cost? I believe it's the latter, which is why there are rumors suggesting that we're primarily focused on making minor moves by the trade deadline.

The most significant move might involve trading for Tyus Jones (who is also on an expiring contract) with second-round picks rather than trading two first-round picks for Dejounte Murray. Where we wont have any flexibility if the fit fails (see Hawks) or to engage in a better trade if an opportunity arises.

I see Morey as someone who prefers to be aggressive when the odds are in his favor. This opportunity is likely to arise in this upcoming offseason, where we could be favorites to land any free agent (which he mentioned), while also considering the option of being able to trade two more first-round picks (2024&2031).

[eyeatoma]

I don't believe we'll engage in any trades that involve giving up our picks and compromising flexibility for future deals. Morey's approach is notably unhurried, especially now with his recent contract extension. There's no immediate pressure, allowing us to avoid the "wasting Embiid's prime" concern. Instead, the focus seems to be on elevating Embiid's status in the GOAT discussion (or back to back MVP), and Maxey being an allstar rather than solely pursuing a championship. Everyone’s happy, everyone is having their career year.

Unless a remarkable trade opportunity arises, it's unlikely we'll make any moves. This appears to be a transitional year, reminiscent of the 2020-2021 season, characterized by flirtations with NetRtg but lacking the firepower for playoff victory. I anticipate refraining from using picks for upgrades, with no inclination to offer them for players like Siakam or Dejounte. Perhaps, in the playoffs, a healthy Embiid could deliver a standout performance, preserving our ammunition for 1-2 significant moves in the following season.

Looking ahead to the offseason, I envision pursuing either Siakam or Paul George. The plan involves retaining our draft picks for future upgrades, maintaining flexibility in the process.

What you said could be true, but I don't see any indication of that on social media or from what Daryl has said. They have to know Paul George is giong to LA, and Siakim could easily be traded. Then what happens this offseason?

Too many what ifs for the offseason, for them to hedge all their bets there, and not make a splash now. You get your players you need through trades not Free agency. That has been the case for the last 5 to 10 years. Only one trade of significance has happend and that was for O.G, and that was a fairly mid trade. No big trades yet, and there are tons of rumors swirling in general for the NBA.

If Morey thinks brittle Embiid is giong to last another year, he is really taking a risk. It could all come crashing down relatively soon. With Maxey playing like he does it behooves us to not have a go.

That's the two conflicting narratives that will determine our plan. Do we go "all in" this season due to uncertainty about when Embiid might break down, or do we exercise patience and aim to acquire players at a lower cost? I believe it's the latter, which is why there are rumors suggesting that we're primarily focused on making minor moves by the trade deadline.

The most significant move might involve trading for Tyus Jones (who is also on an expiring contract) with second-round picks rather than trading two first-round picks for Dejounte Murray. Where we wont have any flexibility if the fit fails (see Hawks) or to engage in a better trade if an opportunity arises.

I see Morey as someone who prefers to be aggressive when the odds are in his favor. This opportunity is likely to arise in this upcoming offseason, where we could be favorites to land any free agent (which he mentioned), while also considering the option of being able to trade two more first-round picks (2024&2031).

I get what your saying but there isn't going to be anyone available. If Siakim is traded, that's it. If Paul George is traded that's it. Morey's plan can't be to hitch his wagon to an over the hill Klay Thompson. There are no marquee free agents. And as I said, when was the last time a free agent went somewhere else? Even better, when was the last time they chose Philly? I believe the only recent cases are Kawhi and KD.

As far as Philly you go to go all the way to Elton "Philly Max" Brand.

That' does not bode well for this plan working my friend.

[76ciology]

What you said could be true, but I don't see any indication of that on social media or from what Daryl has said. They have to know Paul George is giong to LA, and Siakim could easily be traded. Then what happens this offseason?

Too many what ifs for the offseason, for them to hedge all their bets there, and not make a splash now. You get your players you need through trades not Free agency. That has been the case for the last 5 to 10 years. Only one trade of significance has happend and that was for O.G, and that was a fairly mid trade. No big trades yet, and there are tons of rumors swirling in general for the NBA.

If Morey thinks brittle Embiid is giong to last another year, he is really taking a risk. It could all come crashing down relatively soon. With Maxey playing like he does it behooves us to not have a go.

That's the two conflicting narratives that will determine our plan. Do we go "all in" this season due to uncertainty about when Embiid might break down, or do we exercise patience and aim to acquire players at a lower cost? I believe it's the latter, which is why there are rumors suggesting that we're primarily focused on making minor moves by the trade deadline.

The most significant move might involve trading for Tyus Jones (who is also on an expiring contract) with second-round picks rather than trading two first-round picks for Dejounte Murray. Where we wont have any flexibility if the fit fails (see Hawks) or to engage in a better trade if an opportunity arises.

I see Morey as someone who prefers to be aggressive when the odds are in his favor. This opportunity is likely to arise in this upcoming offseason, where we could be favorites to land any free agent (which he mentioned), while also considering the option of being able to trade two more first-round picks (2024&2031).

I get what your saying but there isn't going to be anyone available. If Siakim is traded, that's it. If Paul George is traded that's it. Morey's plan can't be to hitch his wagon to an over the hill Klay Thompson. There are no marquee free agents. And as I said, when was the last time a free agent went somewhere else? Even better, when was the last time they chose Philly? I believe the only recent cases are Kawhi and KD.

As far as Philly you go to go all the way to Elton "Philly Max" Brand.

That' does not bode well for this plan working my friend.

I understand your point about Philadelphia's free agency strength. However, the discussion revolves around either signing a non-All-NBA player like Siakam, non-all star OG or a short-term rental of Paul George, making it likely that all 3 players might join us. Moreover, these options surpass the players we were considering in trades that would cost us atleast a couple of first rounders, such as Jerami Grant or Dejounte Murray.

Additionally, there's always the prospect of better opportunities, especially considering the current availability of talent and their relative costs.

For example, in the upcoming offseason, if we ever flopped on the FA market, here's a list of potential players we could trade for with a $40 million cap space and/or picks:
- Karl Towns
- Donovan Mitchell
- Jerami Grant
- Kevin Durant
- Anthony Davis (if LeBron departs)
- Zach Lavine and picks
- Zion Williamson
- Brandon Ingram
- Bridges
- CJ McCullom
- Lauri (by absorbing John Collins' contract)
- Trae Young
- Dejounte Murray
- Evan Mobley (if the Cavs decide to make significant changes).

[Kolkmania]

That's the two conflicting narratives that will determine our plan. Do we go "all in" this season due to uncertainty about when Embiid might break down, or do we exercise patience and aim to acquire players at a lower cost? I believe it's the latter, which is why there are rumors suggesting that we're primarily focused on making minor moves by the trade deadline.

The most significant move might involve trading for Tyus Jones (who is also on an expiring contract) with second-round picks rather than trading two first-round picks for Dejounte Murray. Where we wont have any flexibility if the fit fails (see Hawks) or to engage in a better trade if an opportunity arises.

I see Morey as someone who prefers to be aggressive when the odds are in his favor. This opportunity is likely to arise in this upcoming offseason, where we could be favorites to land any free agent (which he mentioned), while also considering the option of being able to trade two more first-round picks (2024&2031).

I get what your saying but there isn't going to be anyone available. If Siakim is traded, that's it. If Paul George is traded that's it. Morey's plan can't be to hitch his wagon to an over the hill Klay Thompson. There are no marquee free agents. And as I said, when was the last time a free agent went somewhere else? Even better, when was the last time they chose Philly? I believe the only recent cases are Kawhi and KD.

As far as Philly you go to go all the way to Elton "Philly Max" Brand.

That' does not bode well for this plan working my friend.

I understand your point about Philadelphia's free agency strength. However, the discussion revolves around either signing a non-All-NBA player like Siakam, non-all star OG or a short-term rental of Paul George, making it likely that all 3 players might join us. Moreover, these options surpass the players we were considering in trades that would cost us atleast a couple of first rounders, such as Jerami Grant or Dejounte Murray.

Additionally, there's always the prospect of better opportunities, especially considering the current availability of talent and their relative costs.

For example, in the upcoming offseason, if we ever flopped on the FA market, here's a list of potential players we could trade for with a $40 million cap space and/or picks:
- Karl Towns
- Donovan Mitchell
- Jerami Grant
- Kevin Durant
- Anthony Davis (if LeBron departs)
- Zach Lavine and picks
- Zion Williamson
- Brandon Ingram
- Bridges
- CJ McCullom
- Lauri (by absorbing John Collins' contract)
- Trae Young
- Dejounte Murray
- Evan Mobley (if the Cavs decide to make significant changes).

How would you trade for those players if you have no players left on your roster who:
a. make enough money in order to match salaries
b. have a positive contract value

And even it would be possible to acquire one of those guys with our entire pick collection, we have a trio of good players and absolute scraps surrounding them. Certainly with the new CBA situation you quickly lose a lot of flexibility when you have three max players on your roster.

Trading for Bogdanovic/Johnson (as I sketched before) as a way to maximize flexibility. You spread out your assets. Instead of having solely draft picks to trade, you have multiple contracts in the 10-30m/year range with players that are actually worth that money (or perhaps are even undervalued a bit). Obviously there's the risk of players underperforming and losing value, but the value of 1st round picks also depends on the standings.

In this case we have not even discussed the possibility to maintain bird rights on Harris, Batum, Melton, Morris and Covington. All really valuable role players for a championship team. Replacing those guys will be hell if we let them all walk away.

[76ciology]

I get what your saying but there isn't going to be anyone available. If Siakim is traded, that's it. If Paul George is traded that's it. Morey's plan can't be to hitch his wagon to an over the hill Klay Thompson. There are no marquee free agents. And as I said, when was the last time a free agent went somewhere else? Even better, when was the last time they chose Philly? I believe the only recent cases are Kawhi and KD.

As far as Philly you go to go all the way to Elton "Philly Max" Brand.

That' does not bode well for this plan working my friend.

I understand your point about Philadelphia's free agency strength. However, the discussion revolves around either signing a non-All-NBA player like Siakam, non-all star OG or a short-term rental of Paul George, making it likely that all 3 players might join us. Moreover, these options surpass the players we were considering in trades that would cost us atleast a couple of first rounders, such as Jerami Grant or Dejounte Murray.

Additionally, there's always the prospect of better opportunities, especially considering the current availability of talent and their relative costs.

For example, in the upcoming offseason, if we ever flopped on the FA market, here's a list of potential players we could trade for with a $40 million cap space and/or picks:
- Karl Towns
- Donovan Mitchell
- Jerami Grant
- Kevin Durant
- Anthony Davis (if LeBron departs)
- Zach Lavine and picks
- Zion Williamson
- Brandon Ingram
- Bridges
- CJ McCullom
- Lauri (by absorbing John Collins' contract)
- Trae Young
- Dejounte Murray
- Evan Mobley (if the Cavs decide to make significant changes).

How would you trade for those players if you have no players left on your roster who:
a. make enough money in order to match salaries
b. have a positive contract value

And even it would be possible to acquire one of those guys with our entire pick collection, we have a trio of good players and absolute scraps surrounding them. Certainly with the new CBA situation you quickly lose a lot of flexibility when you have three max players on your roster.

Trading for Bogdanovic/Johnson (as I sketched before) as a way to maximize flexibility. You spread out your assets. Instead of having solely draft picks to trade, you have multiple contracts in the 10-30m/year range with players that are actually worth that money (or perhaps are even undervalued a bit). Obviously there's the risk of players underperforming and losing value, but the value of 1st round picks also depends on the standings.

In this case we have not even discussed the possibility to maintain bird rights on Harris, Batum, Melton, Morris and Covington. All really valuable role players for a championship team. Replacing those guys will be hell if we let them all walk away.

In my proposed scenario, we're utilizing our $40M cap space for the mentioned players. If exceeding this limit, we'd include Paul Reed's contract.

Your suggestion of trading for Bogdanovic and Johnson (cam johnson?), with most likely 2-3 first-rounders, would put us in a weaker position compared to offering $40M cap space, Paul Reed’s salary, and our full inventory of picks (4 picks and 3 swaps vs 2 picks and 3 swaps?).

I disagree with describing our potential roster as "scraps." Signing Oubre, Beverly, and Bamba with minimum contracts showcases the league's talent abundance. Previously, we've signed players like Drummond, Niang, and D12, emphasizing quality additions through minimum contracts as long as we give them playing time, as seen with Kelly Oubre.

Furthermore, there’s also option that remains to re-sign Harris, Batum, Melton, and Morris for depth around our three max players, providing essential role players around our 3 max players for a championship-caliber team. Whereas you probably would lose it if you wont have their bird rights if you trade them

[Stanford]

Apparently the asking price for Murray is 2 firsts. If one of those firsts is this year's and the other is protected, isn't this an obvious yes from us?

[M2J]

I understand your point about Philadelphia's free agency strength. However, the discussion revolves around either signing a non-All-NBA player like Siakam, non-all star OG or a short-term rental of Paul George, making it likely that all 3 players might join us. Moreover, these options surpass the players we were considering in trades that would cost us atleast a couple of first rounders, such as Jerami Grant or Dejounte Murray.

Additionally, there's always the prospect of better opportunities, especially considering the current availability of talent and their relative costs.

For example, in the upcoming offseason, if we ever flopped on the FA market, here's a list of potential players we could trade for with a $40 million cap space and/or picks:
- Karl Towns
- Donovan Mitchell
- Jerami Grant
- Kevin Durant
- Anthony Davis (if LeBron departs)
- Zach Lavine and picks
- Zion Williamson
- Brandon Ingram
- Bridges
- CJ McCullom
- Lauri (by absorbing John Collins' contract)
- Trae Young
- Dejounte Murray
- Evan Mobley (if the Cavs decide to make significant changes).

How would you trade for those players if you have no players left on your roster who:
a. make enough money in order to match salaries
b. have a positive contract value

And even it would be possible to acquire one of those guys with our entire pick collection, we have a trio of good players and absolute scraps surrounding them. Certainly with the new CBA situation you quickly lose a lot of flexibility when you have three max players on your roster.

Trading for Bogdanovic/Johnson (as I sketched before) as a way to maximize flexibility. You spread out your assets. Instead of having solely draft picks to trade, you have multiple contracts in the 10-30m/year range with players that are actually worth that money (or perhaps are even undervalued a bit). Obviously there's the risk of players underperforming and losing value, but the value of 1st round picks also depends on the standings.

In this case we have not even discussed the possibility to maintain bird rights on Harris, Batum, Melton, Morris and Covington. All really valuable role players for a championship team. Replacing those guys will be hell if we let them all walk away.

In my proposed scenario, we're utilizing our $40M cap space for the mentioned players. If exceeding this limit, we'd include Paul Reed's contract.

Your suggestion of trading for Bogdanovic and Johnson (cam johnson?), with most likely 2-3 first-rounders, would put us in a weaker position compared to offering $40M cap space, Paul Reed’s salary, and our full inventory of picks (4 picks and 3 swaps vs 2 picks and 3 swaps?).

I disagree with describing our potential roster as "scraps." Signing Oubre, Beverly, and Bamba with minimum contracts showcases the league's talent abundance. Previously, we've signed players like Drummond, Niang, and D12, emphasizing quality additions through minimum contracts as long as we give them playing time, as seen with Kelly Oubre.

Furthermore, there’s also option that remains to re-sign Harris, Batum, Melton, and Morris for depth around our three max players, providing essential role players around our 3 max players for a championship-caliber team. Whereas you probably would lose it if you wont have their bird rights if you trade them

That just becomes a lot harder to do with the free agency/cap space trade acquisition route. In order to create that cap space, essentially those bird rights are gone. If you trade for a Max guy now you could theoretically sign all of them too. Also, no bird rights on Oubre.... He either becomes a guy you pay with the cap space or mle regardless.... He's not going guy the minimum again.

They need to do it now, or have to take time to build depth. That method could work for a free agent destination that can max out 3 guys and pull in a Russell Westbrook for cheap and Daniel theis off a buyout. Philly got lucky with Oubre, because he'd been planning to go to free agent destination Miami, but they were waiting for Dame.

Fact of the matter is this trade deadline is the absolute best position they'll ever be in for the foreseeable future to create a contender around Joel. There are complimentary stars available, that shouldn't cost you all of the assets and your 2nd star is on a rookie deal. You could then have different versions of flexibility with desirable stars and draft capital. Murray for instance is showcasing that he's got skills that can be desired around the league, and has a great contract. He could be a piece that could be moved again, maybe for a better player with draft capital attached. Maxey will clearly be a desired asset league wide, and Joel can get you a haul anytime. Plus those 2 draft picks they get on draft night still come and those smaller moves can be made then.

[76ciology]

Apparently the asking price for Murray is 2 firsts. If one of thise firsts is this year's and the other is protected, isn't this an obvious yes from us?

You can’t trade our first this year until draft day.

And I wont trade two firsts for Dejounte. I’ll be saving ammunition for a big move in the offseason or trade flexibility if a big move flops (i.e Harden)

I’d rather just be conservative and go for Tyus Jones or Caruso instead.

Dejounte is not the type of guy who can help Maxey steal 1-2 game in a playoff series.

Dejounte is not a top 100 player in the league.

He is also a below average defender.

[76ciology]

How would you trade for those players if you have no players left on your roster who:
a. make enough money in order to match salaries
b. have a positive contract value

And even it would be possible to acquire one of those guys with our entire pick collection, we have a trio of good players and absolute scraps surrounding them. Certainly with the new CBA situation you quickly lose a lot of flexibility when you have three max players on your roster.

Trading for Bogdanovic/Johnson (as I sketched before) as a way to maximize flexibility. You spread out your assets. Instead of having solely draft picks to trade, you have multiple contracts in the 10-30m/year range with players that are actually worth that money (or perhaps are even undervalued a bit). Obviously there's the risk of players underperforming and losing value, but the value of 1st round picks also depends on the standings.

In this case we have not even discussed the possibility to maintain bird rights on Harris, Batum, Melton, Morris and Covington. All really valuable role players for a championship team. Replacing those guys will be hell if we let them all walk away.

In my proposed scenario, we're utilizing our $40M cap space for the mentioned players. If exceeding this limit, we'd include Paul Reed's contract.

Your suggestion of trading for Bogdanovic and Johnson (cam johnson?), with most likely 2-3 first-rounders, would put us in a weaker position compared to offering $40M cap space, Paul Reed’s salary, and our full inventory of picks (4 picks and 3 swaps vs 2 picks and 3 swaps?).

I disagree with describing our potential roster as "scraps." Signing Oubre, Beverly, and Bamba with minimum contracts showcases the league's talent abundance. Previously, we've signed players like Drummond, Niang, and D12, emphasizing quality additions through minimum contracts as long as we give them playing time, as seen with Kelly Oubre.

Furthermore, there’s also option that remains to re-sign Harris, Batum, Melton, and Morris for depth around our three max players, providing essential role players around our 3 max players for a championship-caliber team. Whereas you probably would lose it if you wont have their bird rights if you trade them

That just becomes a lot harder to do with the free agency/cap space trade acquisition route. In order to create that cap space, essentially those bird rights are gone. If you trade for a Max guy now you could theoretically sign all of them too. Also, no bird rights on Oubre.... He either becomes a guy you pay with the cap space or mle regardless.... He's not going guy the minimum again.

They need to do it now, or have to take time to build depth. That method could work for a free agent destination that can max out 3 guys and pull in a Russell Westbrook for cheap and Daniel theis off a buyout. Philly got lucky with Oubre, because he'd been planning to go to free agent destination Miami, but they were waiting for Dame.

Fact of the matter is this trade deadline is the absolute best position they'll ever be in for the foreseeable future to create a contender around Joel.

It’s easy to build depth. Even the Pistons is quite deep.

Almost all teams in the league is deep. One starter gets injured, and you got a guy like Hartenstein playing like an allstar. The league is so deep that Hawks just dumped John Collins for a second rounder and they got Jalen Johnson who’s like 3x better than him.

We even got KJ Martin, who averaged 12.7ppg for the Rox last season.

Dont worry about depth.

[Stanford]

You can’t trade our first this year until draft day.

Nvm then.

[M2J]

In my proposed scenario, we're utilizing our $40M cap space for the mentioned players. If exceeding this limit, we'd include Paul Reed's contract.

Your suggestion of trading for Bogdanovic and Johnson (cam johnson?), with most likely 2-3 first-rounders, would put us in a weaker position compared to offering $40M cap space, Paul Reed’s salary, and our full inventory of picks (4 picks and 3 swaps vs 2 picks and 3 swaps?).

I disagree with describing our potential roster as "scraps." Signing Oubre, Beverly, and Bamba with minimum contracts showcases the league's talent abundance. Previously, we've signed players like Drummond, Niang, and D12, emphasizing quality additions through minimum contracts as long as we give them playing time, as seen with Kelly Oubre.

Furthermore, there’s also option that remains to re-sign Harris, Batum, Melton, and Morris for depth around our three max players, providing essential role players around our 3 max players for a championship-caliber team. Whereas you probably would lose it if you wont have their bird rights if you trade them

That just becomes a lot harder to do with the free agency/cap space trade acquisition route. In order to create that cap space, essentially those bird rights are gone. If you trade for a Max guy now you could theoretically sign all of them too. Also, no bird rights on Oubre.... He either becomes a guy you pay with the cap space or mle regardless.... He's not going guy the minimum again.

They need to do it now, or have to take time to build depth. That method could work for a free agent destination that can max out 3 guys and pull in a Russell Westbrook for cheap and Daniel theis off a buyout. Philly got lucky with Oubre, because he'd been planning to go to free agent destination Miami, but they were waiting for Dame.

Fact of the matter is this trade deadline is the absolute best position they'll ever be in for the foreseeable future to create a contender around Joel.

It’s easy to build depth. Even the Pistons is quite deep.

Almost all teams in the league is deep. One starter gets injured, and you got a guy like Hartenstein playing like an allstar. The league is so deep that Hawks just dumped John Collins for a second rounder and they got Jalen Johnson who’s like 3x better than him.

We even got KJ Martin, who averaged 12.7ppg for the Rox last season.

Dont worry about depth.

Not easy to build championship depth unless you trade for it. I agree it's not impossible to do, but the ability to do it will not be instantaneous if they make a max trade this summer and max Maxey. They could sign Oubre (maybe) to MLE and have minimum guys and young talent. You blow this season and next at least. Phoenix is showcasing this. Clippers have depth from a trade and being a free agent destination (Westbrook and theis)... They were deep before the trade with wing depth behind their wing stars, and the trade and free agency gave them guard and center depth too.

Perfect example is after the Harden trade, Philly lacked depth, and they would've stayed in a hole last season without Harden taking less and tampering to get Tucker and House. It's going to get even harder with the current cba.

[M2J]

You can’t trade our first this year until draft day.

Nvm then.

IMO that Clippers/OKC/Houston '26 pick should be traded asap. It's fools gold, it's a OKC pick in the 20s even they should be in their prime (but you never know with that cheap owner)

The 2028 pick from LAC, should be protected, but you mostly want to keep your own picks, so you can control them.

[Stanford]

The 2028 pick from LAC, should be protected, but you mostly want to keep your own picks, so you can control them.

True. That and a protected first would also be reasonable.

[youngcrev]

You can’t trade our first this year until draft day.

Nvm then.

IMO that Clippers/OKC/Houston '26 pick should be traded asap. It's fools gold, it's a OKC pick in the 20s even they should be in their prime (but you never know with that cheap owner)

The 2028 pick from LAC, should be protected, but you mostly want to keep your own picks, so you can control them.

The value of that pick on our end is simply the ability to put another pick in a deal. And not necessarily that one. Owning that would open up the ability to trade our own 2026 1st, which we otherwise cannot do since we currently owe picks in 25 and 27.

Individually I don't think it was ever looked at as a very valuable asset on its own. If we're trading a pick, that would certainly be the preferable one on our end though.

[youngcrev]

Apparently the asking price for Murray is 2 firsts. If one of those firsts is this year's and the other is protected, isn't this an obvious yes from us?

I don't think so. I mean, the price is right. And there's still a scenario where you could renounce everyone but Maxey and have around 37M in cap space (trading Reed and Springer). I'm just not sold on the fit. We freak out about Tobias being ineffective off ball, not sure Murray wouldn't have the same issues.

Seems like we'd want him to play a similar role to what Atlanta had in mind when they acquired him (take the tougher defensive assignment from Trae, secondary ball handler, primary initiator when Trae is off the floor)... And they're looking to trade him.

[Stanford]

This **** is so hard to keep track of

[Negrodamus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/19852yk/moore_pascal_siakam_has_told_teams_he_will_not/

Pascal tanking his value is such a delightful development. Can't think of a better fan base for this to happen to.

[Sixersftw]

Apparently the asking price for Murray is 2 firsts. If one of those firsts is this year's and the other is protected, isn't this an obvious yes from us?

I don't think so. I mean, the price is right. And there's still a scenario where you could renounce everyone but Maxey and have around 37M in cap space (trading Reed and Springer). I'm just not sold on the fit. We freak out about Tobias being ineffective off ball, not sure Murray wouldn't have the same issues.

Seems like we'd want him to play a similar role to what Atlanta had in mind when they acquired him (take the tougher defensive assignment from Trae, secondary ball handler, primary initiator when Trae is off the floor)... And they're looking to trade him.

Nailed it. The idea of Murray is better than the reality. He's not an off ball shooter, His defense isn't what it was in San Antonio and he's more of a probing PnR guard imo. He's not a great fit with Jo and Maxey as he's very Tobias like, team structure-wise. He has a 1st option's toolkit but he's not good enough to actually be a 1st option.

[the_process]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/19852yk/moore_pascal_siakam_has_told_teams_he_will_not/

Pascal tanking his value is such a delightful development. Can't think of a better fan base for this to happen to.

Siakam wants the five year supermax from Toronto. And Masai has no interest in giving it to him.

Masai also will not trade him at a discount. Which likely means he walks in FA. Maybe they get a 2nd back in a S&T