Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 3.0
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What do you think of Klay Thompson to the Heat? It would be foolish if Warriors does not move on from him while he has a bit of a value.
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LOL Miami was struggling to offer 2 FRP's for Lillard and Donovan let alone for Murray. If the price comes down to 1 FRP maybe to go for it, but that will limit their chances at going for Donovan or another max type guy later, so probably not a chance.
This is hilarious actually, when you realize that this is what the Nets want for DF-F'in-Smith

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Murray is just not guy you want him to be. He's not.
He's an inconsistent shooter, overaerated defender, average passer, can't get to the line, make pretty big money long term.
You don't go all in on a guy that isn't top 15 in his position, you just don't. Giving up 2 picks is going all in.
He's an inconsistent shooter, overaerated defender, average passer, can't get to the line, make pretty big money long term.
You don't go all in on a guy that isn't top 15 in his position, you just don't. Giving up 2 picks is going all in.
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RexBoyWonder wrote:Murray is just not guy you want him to be. He's not.
He's an inconsistent shooter, overaerated defender, average passer, can't get to the line, make pretty big money long term.
You don't go all in on a guy that isn't top 15 in his position, you just don't. Giving up 2 picks is going all in.
I agree, he isn't the guy whos going to make the type off difference we need and its going to cost both in assets and cap space to acquire. I think there are some cheaper options out there that could potentially make this team a whole lot better without giving way too much up and keeping ourselves below the 2nd Apron. Those things just hasn't presented themselves yet, I think the closer we get to the trade deadline we could see some things starting to pop out here and there.
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I think Murray is being underestimated a bit. The fit in Atlanta has never been good, and he’s certainly not playing as a full time PG with a guy like Trae on board.
Check his numbers his final year in San Antonio. 21/8/9 with 2 steals per game. I’d say he’d have been considered a top 15 PG then, and I’d back him to get back to his better self in our system. That might mean a decrease in scoring to 17-18 a night, but an increase in defensive activity and playmaking responsibility.
The NBA is wide open right now. These are the last years of Jimmy’s prime. Atleast a guy like Murray fits both timelines, as he’s only 27.
Check his numbers his final year in San Antonio. 21/8/9 with 2 steals per game. I’d say he’d have been considered a top 15 PG then, and I’d back him to get back to his better self in our system. That might mean a decrease in scoring to 17-18 a night, but an increase in defensive activity and playmaking responsibility.
The NBA is wide open right now. These are the last years of Jimmy’s prime. Atleast a guy like Murray fits both timelines, as he’s only 27.
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Wiltside wrote:I think Murray is being underestimated a bit. The fit in Atlanta has never been good, and he’s certainly not playing as a full time PG with a guy like Trae on board.
Check his numbers his final year in San Antonio. 21/8/9 with 2 steals per game. I’d say he’d have been considered a top 15 PG then, and I’d back him to get back to his better self in our system. That might mean a decrease in scoring to 17-18 a night, but an increase in defensive activity and playmaking responsibility.
The NBA is wide open right now. These are the last years of Jimmy’s prime. Atleast a guy like Murray fits both timelines, as he’s only 27.
You mean the year San Antonio went 10th in the West 34-48 Record?!?! Whos team consisted of Keldon Johnson, Derrick White, Jakob Poetl, Devin Vassell, Josh Richardson, Doug McDourmett, Lonnie Walker. That was a bad team, we always say that good stats on bad teams with bad efficiency can't be taken with a grain of salt. Also you have Coach Pop similar to Spo gets the most out of bad players, they don't tend to play the same once they leave the system. Look at JRich, averaging 11.4ppg and shooting 44% from three. I am not saying he may not fit all that well next to another shrimp sized Guard in Atlanta but the truth may lie somewhere in the middle.
Out of curiosity I went and pulled efficiency list since Murray has been in the league he has been in the outside the top 20 efficiency for PG/SG since entering the league consistently only outside of the top 10 once in his career in the teens, and 1st place the last year he played in San Antonio. Now just looking at that, tells me San Antonio sold high while his value was highest, because he was never ever near that level of player. Therefore caution everyone when a player only gets to the mountain top once, and has never been able to replicate it, San Antonio may have seen the same and got highest value when they didn't expect him to get there again.
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NightWatch wrote:What do you think of Klay Thompson to the Heat? It would be foolish if Warriors does not move on from him while he has a bit of a value.
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Robinson a 1st , a 2nd and a swap for Dejounte. MAKE IT HAPPEN RILEY! It makes so much sense.
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iamoti wrote:Robinson a 1st , a 2nd and a swap for Dejounte. MAKE IT HAPPEN RILEY! It makes so much sense.
That's problably as high as I would go on Murray is 1 FRP and Duncan, Id attach Caleb if I could knowing we won't have money to resign him next year and he is injury prone.
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IceColdCubano wrote:Wiltside wrote:I think Murray is being underestimated a bit. The fit in Atlanta has never been good, and he’s certainly not playing as a full time PG with a guy like Trae on board.
Check his numbers his final year in San Antonio. 21/8/9 with 2 steals per game. I’d say he’d have been considered a top 15 PG then, and I’d back him to get back to his better self in our system. That might mean a decrease in scoring to 17-18 a night, but an increase in defensive activity and playmaking responsibility.
The NBA is wide open right now. These are the last years of Jimmy’s prime. Atleast a guy like Murray fits both timelines, as he’s only 27.
You mean the year San Antonio went 10th in the West 34-48 Record?!?! Whos team consisted of Keldon Johnson, Derrick White, Jakob Poetl, Devin Vassell, Josh Richardson, Doug McDourmett, Lonnie Walker. That was a bad team, we always say that good stats on bad teams with bad efficiency can't be taken with a grain of salt. Also you have Coach Pop similar to Spo gets the most out of bad players, they don't tend to play the same once they leave the system. Look at JRich, averaging 11.4ppg and shooting 44% from three. I am not saying he may not fit all that well next to another shrimp sized Guard in Atlanta but the truth may lie somewhere in the middle.
Out of curiosity I went and pulled efficiency list since Murray has been in the league he has been in the outside the top 20 efficiency for PG/SG since entering the league consistently only outside of the top 10 once in his career in the teens, and 1st place the last year he played in San Antonio. Now just looking at that, tells me San Antonio sold high while his value was highest, because he was never ever near that level of player. Therefore caution everyone when a player only gets to the mountain top once, and has never been able to replicate it, San Antonio may have seen the same and got highest value when they didn't expect him to get there again.
You are overrating Coach Pop greatly. He's like Bill Belichick who needed Brady for all his success. Pop's Brady was ofc Tim Duncan. Look at Derrick White. Got traded and became a big part of the best team rn. I think Murray is a better player than White if put in a right system. Ofc, you wanna get him for cheap without giving up much.
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NightWatch wrote:What do you think of Klay Thompson to the Heat? It would be foolish if Warriors does not move on from him while he has a bit of a value.
I'd rather keep Duncan tbh and I would feel disgusted typing this last season. Klay is damaged goods.
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NightWatch wrote:What do you think of Klay Thompson to the Heat? It would be foolish if Warriors does not move on from him while he has a bit of a value.
Doesn’t plug any holes, in fact, he only adds to the log jam.
Team needs a lead ball handler in the worst way, not another wing shooter.
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We dont even need a high volume scorer thats why Murray fits. He wont require 15-20shots a game. He is a good defender.
He will most likely be nr.4 option on offense and its not bad at all.
He will most likely be nr.4 option on offense and its not bad at all.
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AirP. wrote:MettaWorldPanda wrote:wadenation305 wrote:Something to keep in mind when talking about Duncan Robinson's contract. The last year of it. Only 9 Mil of it is guaranteed. So after this season he only has 1 season at 19 guaranteed. And half of this season was already paid by the Heat.
Yeah but who in there right mind is going to eat a 10 million buyout for Duncan to go away. That’s admitting a huge mistake. He’ll get traded well before they use that bloated buy out
You know, some teams could use outside shooting and a bad team like Detroit could possibly be incentivized to switch out an older 3pt shooting PF making around 19 mil for a 30 year old Robinson on around the same contract, maybe you even expand the trade to get someone like Morris, Burks and/or Harris. Detroit has some players that could help Miami, maybe not starters but definitely options Spoelstra could go to.
Only trade possibility with the Pistons seems to be Lowry for Bogi and Morris. It’s not worth trading Duncan there. I really don’t want Morris.
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iamoti wrote:We dont even need a high volume scorer thats why Murray fits. He wont require 15-20shots a game. He is a good defender.
He will most likely be nr.4 option on offense and its not bad at all.
I don’t think many are questioning the fit rather then we are most likely to get outbid or if the deals are similar the Hawks will undoubtedly look to trade him out west instead of alienating there star player Young even more by trading Murray directly to a division rival.
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Murray went on national TV and said he would welcome a trade back to the Spurs. It’s in the Hawks best interest to get the Spurs to give them their own picks back they originally gave up. Not get Lowry or Robinson and the Heat’s notoriously mid to late round picks.
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riles needs to make something happen. or else it's another playoff run with no ring.
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NightWatch wrote:What do you think of Klay Thompson to the Heat? It would be foolish if Warriors does not move on from him while he has a bit of a value.
You just answered your own question lol
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Last time the Heat acquired a player via trade: 8/6/21 (Lowry)
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MettaWorldPanda wrote:wadenation305 wrote:Something to keep in mind when talking about Duncan Robinson's contract. The last year of it. Only 9 Mil of it is guaranteed. So after this season he only has 1 season at 19 guaranteed. And half of this season was already paid by the Heat.
Yeah but who in there right mind is going to eat a 10 million buyout for Duncan to go away. That’s admitting a huge mistake. He’ll get traded well before they use that bloated buy out
The hope and expectation would definitely be to have him play at the current level that he's been showing. That dude is worth 19 mil in this day and age. But there's the upside that if you do want to move him to a team that needs salary space you now also have a 44% volume 3pt shooter that you can throw in a trade and offer the other team some savings too. Not the most ideal but the point is not anywhere near the worst contract, especially with this year