Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 3.0

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I think Murray is being underestimated a bit. The fit in Atlanta has never been good, and he’s certainly not playing as a full time PG with a guy like Trae on board.

Check his numbers his final year in San Antonio. 21/8/9 with 2 steals per game. I’d say he’d have been considered a top 15 PG then, and I’d back him to get back to his better self in our system. That might mean a decrease in scoring to 17-18 a night, but an increase in defensive activity and playmaking responsibility.

The NBA is wide open right now. These are the last years of Jimmy’s prime. Atleast a guy like Murray fits both timelines, as he’s only 27.

He’s getting hella underestimated and I would guess those underestimating have watched little to none of his games outside of when he plays the Heat.

He’s a 27 year old former all star/all nba defender who fits Miamis 2 way play perfectly. We’re talking about a 6’5 PG with a 6’10 wingspan who is shooting 39% from 3 on 6 attempts (that is damn near Duncan/Herro levels of shooting) who is also going to get you a couple steals a game. A great rebounder for his position and a far better playmaker than he’s been able to show in Atlanta. Let’s not forget he would be replacing Kyle Lowry who can barely make it up and down the court quick enough for a possession these days lol. He would be a MASSIVE boost to this team

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Dejounte without Trae this season: 26-5-10

Dejounte without Trae last season: 25-6-8

[3ammy3uck3ts]

A guy who gets forgot about some and could potentially be available, Collin Sexton as a starter: 22-3-5 on 42% from 3.

Sexton and KO trade would work wonders for this team

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Then of course Scary Terry without Lamelo: 25-4-8 on 39% from 3

[greg4012]

I think Murray is being underestimated a bit. The fit in Atlanta has never been good, and he’s certainly not playing as a full time PG with a guy like Trae on board.

Check his numbers his final year in San Antonio. 21/8/9 with 2 steals per game. I’d say he’d have been considered a top 15 PG then, and I’d back him to get back to his better self in our system. That might mean a decrease in scoring to 17-18 a night, but an increase in defensive activity and playmaking responsibility.

The NBA is wide open right now. These are the last years of Jimmy’s prime. Atleast a guy like Murray fits both timelines, as he’s only 27.

He’s getting hella underestimated and I would guess those underestimating have watched little to none of his games outside of when he plays the Heat.

He’s a 27 year old former all star/all nba defender who fits Miamis 2 way play perfectly. We’re talking about a 6’5 PG with a 6’10 wingspan who is shooting 39% from 3 on 6 attempts (that is damn near Duncan/Herro levels of shooting) who is also going to get you a couple steals a game. A great rebounder for his position and a far better playmaker than he’s been able to show in Atlanta. Let’s not forget he would be replacing Kyle Lowry who can barely make it up and down the court quick enough for a possession these days lol. He would be a MASSIVE boost to this team

Getting that point of attack defense into our starting lineup would be an extremely underrated dynamic shift. Pair it with a guy who can keep Herro off-ball more and hopefully feed Bam in some big man spots all while being serviceable (at least) from 3 and can score at 3 levels.

He's not a superstar. But he's a great fit.

2 FRPs plus players of value might be too steep for me. But, that's not reason to completely dismiss the benefit of adding the player.

[MettaWorldPanda]

A guy who gets forgot about some and could potentially be available, Collin Sexton as a starter: 22-3-5 on 42% from 3.

Sexton and KO trade would work wonders for this team

I think the Jazz have gone on a pretty big winning streak lately the moment they put him and Dunn in the starting lineup. Not sure what the price is from the Jazz but it's going to take a lot more then Lowry and just a little lowly first round pick for him.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I think Murray is being underestimated a bit. The fit in Atlanta has never been good, and he’s certainly not playing as a full time PG with a guy like Trae on board.

Check his numbers his final year in San Antonio. 21/8/9 with 2 steals per game. I’d say he’d have been considered a top 15 PG then, and I’d back him to get back to his better self in our system. That might mean a decrease in scoring to 17-18 a night, but an increase in defensive activity and playmaking responsibility.

The NBA is wide open right now. These are the last years of Jimmy’s prime. Atleast a guy like Murray fits both timelines, as he’s only 27.

He’s getting hella underestimated and I would guess those underestimating have watched little to none of his games outside of when he plays the Heat.

He’s a 27 year old former all star/all nba defender who fits Miamis 2 way play perfectly. We’re talking about a 6’5 PG with a 6’10 wingspan who is shooting 39% from 3 on 6 attempts (that is damn near Duncan/Herro levels of shooting) who is also going to get you a couple steals a game. A great rebounder for his position and a far better playmaker than he’s been able to show in Atlanta. Let’s not forget he would be replacing Kyle Lowry who can barely make it up and down the court quick enough for a possession these days lol. He would be a MASSIVE boost to this team

Getting that point of attack defense into our starting lineup would be an extremely underrated dynamic shift. Pair it with a guy who can keep Herro off-ball more and hopefully feed Bam in some big man spots all while being serviceable (at least) from 3 and can score at 3 levels.

He's not a superstar. But he's a great fit.

2 FRPs plus players of value might be too steep for me. But, that's not reason to completely dismiss the benefit of adding the player.

It would be a massive boost, sort of like the boost Derrick White gave the Celtics when they acquired him in my opinion. That 3 and D ability with his size would go a long way and we’d have another guy to throw at elite guards in the playoffs.

Murray
Martin
Jimmy
Highsmith
Bam

That lineup when we needed to get a stop would lock other teams up

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Looks like Sexton is endearing himself to the coaching staff now that they unlocked him. Doesn't have the look of a player we could get for pennies on the dollar anymore.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

A guy who gets forgot about some and could potentially be available, Collin Sexton as a starter: 22-3-5 on 42% from 3.

Sexton and KO trade would work wonders for this team

I think the Jazz have gone on a pretty big winning streak lately the moment they put him and Dunn in the starting lineup. Not sure what the price is from the Jazz but it's going to take a lot more then Lowry and just a little lowly first round pick for him.

Maybe, maybe not. I doubt sextons value is more than cap relief and a 1st. I mean Westbrook and a 1st last year got the Lakers Beasley and Vanderbilt from the Jazz and DLo.

[greg4012]

I'm tired of seeing every opponent get into the paint with ease seemingly every possession. Then on the other end Miami seems incapable of getting into the paint for extended chunks of time.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I'm tired of seeing every opponent get into the paint with ease seemingly every possession. Then on the other end Miami seems incapable of getting into the paint for extended chunks of time.

Outside of Jimmy and JJJ we basically have to spam Bam pick and roll/pop action to free guys up because we don’t have anyone that’s fast/explosive enough to beat their man consistently. Another somewhat minor thing that would open up so much for this team and especially Bam and the shooters.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I'm tired of seeing every opponent get into the paint with ease seemingly every possession. Then on the other end Miami seems incapable of getting into the paint for extended chunks of time.

Outside of Jimmy and JJJ we basically have to spam Bam pick and roll/pop action to free guys up because we don’t have anyone that’s fast/explosive enough to beat their man consistently. Another somewhat minor thing that would open up so much for this team and especially Bam and the shooters.

It's definitely a glaring hole that's keeping this team from meeting it's final form that's for sure. It's trying to find the balance of bringing on another big salary that doesn't cripple our cap next year. Discussing these players fit on our team over Lowry is the easiest part of all this. Nobody wants to talk about the boring stuff that matters the most is how to get it too work under the current tax structure especially when you have a locked in guaranteed salary of Duncan at almost 19.4 million next year and Martin's impending free agency. You have Herro and Duncan making close to 50 million coming from the two guard spot.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I’ve been a big advocate of trying to deal Duncan and allocating his money towards a PG but i feel like dealing him at this point would do damage to team morale. If we do end up having to trade him it’s probably best to do it as a throw in for an impact player during the offseason. I’ve caved on dealing him at this point. He’s worth more to us now then probably what the league would give us for him anyway.

[IceColdCubano]

I'm tired of seeing every opponent get into the paint with ease seemingly every possession. Then on the other end Miami seems incapable of getting into the paint for extended chunks of time.

Outside of Jimmy and JJJ we basically have to spam Bam pick and roll/pop action to free guys up because we don’t have anyone that’s fast/explosive enough to beat their man consistently. Another somewhat minor thing that would open up so much for this team and especially Bam and the shooters.

As far as point of attack, it seem like the team has been making it a main point of emphasis. Tyler Herro seems to have improved his IQ on that front, we always say he is abysmal but apparently the stats are showing that not to be the case this year as the season goes on.

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[IceColdCubano]

I’ve been a big advocate of trying to deal Duncan and allocating his money towards a PG but i feel like dealing him at this point would do damage to team morale. If we do end up having to trade him it’s probably best to do it as a throw in for an impact player during the offseason. I’ve caved on dealing him at this point. He’s worth more to us now then probably what the league would give us for him anyway.

Duncan has been a key cog in our season where everyone else seems to be hurt, streaky or a bust. So dealing him for a say a PG would plug one hole and create another. Unfortunately what other wing from our bench has been consistent enough to provide the type of shooting, and playmaking we need when we have droughts in the offense or need a quick score. Caleb Martin isn't it, Jrich isn't it, Highsmith is just a 3&D wing at this point, Kevin Love doesn't play that role he's more of an outlet shooter and at this time the mojoirity of his minutes are from the back up center position. I guess we could theorize, that when everyone is healthy perhaps, JJJ would fill that role off the bench. Jovic looks like he is coming into his own but I feel like he is still 1-2 more years away form really unlock the potential we need in the front court. He might be ready to role with the bench unit as our 6th man next year, as a primary point forward, but we don't know if he is trade bait at this point.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I'm tired of seeing every opponent get into the paint with ease seemingly every possession. Then on the other end Miami seems incapable of getting into the paint for extended chunks of time.

Outside of Jimmy and JJJ we basically have to spam Bam pick and roll/pop action to free guys up because we don’t have anyone that’s fast/explosive enough to beat their man consistently. Another somewhat minor thing that would open up so much for this team and especially Bam and the shooters.

It's definitely a glaring hole that's keeping this team from meeting it's final form that's for sure. It's trying to find the balance of bringing on another big salary that doesn't cripple our cap next year. Discussing these players fit on our team over Lowry is the easiest part of all this. Nobody wants to talk about the boring stuff that matters the most is how to get it too work under the current tax structure especially when you have a locked in guaranteed salary of Duncan at almost 19.4 million next year and Martin's impending free agency. You have Herro and Duncan making close to 50 million coming from the two guard spot.

It’s a very overlooked thing of one of the many benefits if we were to acquire Dame last summer. Everyone thinks of the deep 3s like his game winner the other night at the buzzer but his rim pressure is elite. I haven’t checked this season because he’s not being used right but last season he was top 10 or 5 in basically every metric when it came to attacking the basket.

It’s something that makes me want Mitchell even more. He will blow by his guy several times a game. I mean think about it, how many times a game do you see a guard blow by there defender forcing the defense to react leading to a wide open 3 in the corner or a simple dump off and dunk for Bam? It’s very rare. With someone like Mitchell you would see it multiple times a game. It’s little things like this that people don’t think about but do so much for a teams offense

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’ve been a big advocate of trying to deal Duncan and allocating his money towards a PG but i feel like dealing him at this point would do damage to team morale. If we do end up having to trade him it’s probably best to do it as a throw in for an impact player during the offseason. I’ve caved on dealing him at this point. He’s worth more to us now then probably what the league would give us for him anyway.

It’s ALWAYS been Lowry, they have to find a way to get something done. Lakers gave the blueprint last year

[BadMofoPimp]

I am sure Hawks would ask for Herro for Dejounte.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I’ve been a big advocate of trying to deal Duncan and allocating his money towards a PG but i feel like dealing him at this point would do damage to team morale. If we do end up having to trade him it’s probably best to do it as a throw in for an impact player during the offseason. I’ve caved on dealing him at this point. He’s worth more to us now then probably what the league would give us for him anyway.

Duncan has been a key cog in our season where everyone else seems to be hurt, streaky or a bust. So dealing him for a say a PG would plug one hole and create another. Unfortunately what other wing from our bench has been consistent enough to provide the type of shooting, and playmaking we need when we have droughts in the offense or need a quick score. Caleb Martin isn't it, Jrich isn't it, Highsmith is just a 3&D wing at this point, Kevin Love doesn't play that role he's more of an outlet shooter and at this time the mojoirity of his minutes are from the back up center position. I guess we could theorize, that when everyone is healthy perhaps, JJJ would fill that role off the bench. Jovic looks like he is coming into his own but I feel like he is still 1-2 more years away form really unlock the potential we need in the front court. He might be ready to role with the bench unit as our 6th man next year, as a primary point forward, but we don't know if he is trade bait at this point.

I’ve been combing every teams depth chart from front to back and i consistently keep landing on the Wiz between there ability to take cap space and most likely there willingness to cash in Tyus for a pick while even taking on tax alleviating salary this year making it all the worthwhile for us to do it. Trading Lowry and pick for let’s say Jones and Shamet saves us 5.4 million this year. Shamet’s salary is fully non guaranteed. Toronto just ate 5.2 million in the recent trade with the Knicks.

[IceColdCubano]

I think Spo's wet dream would be to have Tyler be able to be successful at being more team oriented and get the team into sets instead of thinking scoring first, only when the opportunity presents itself. He could then be able to make Tyler the defacto starting PG on the team.

Having a starting lineup of Tyler, JJJ, Jimmy, Jovic, Bam. With the ability to turn to a Jrich, Caleb, Jimmy, Highsmith, Bam for stretches to choke the life out of the other team. Then blend in players like Duncan, Love here and there based on minutes to stagger lineups. However that has yet to manifest, it seems when one players gets back from injury another goes out. Heres to hoping we finish the season healthy.