Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 3.0

[IceColdCubano]

Outside of Jimmy and JJJ we basically have to spam Bam pick and roll/pop action to free guys up because we don’t have anyone that’s fast/explosive enough to beat their man consistently. Another somewhat minor thing that would open up so much for this team and especially Bam and the shooters.

It's definitely a glaring hole that's keeping this team from meeting it's final form that's for sure. It's trying to find the balance of bringing on another big salary that doesn't cripple our cap next year. Discussing these players fit on our team over Lowry is the easiest part of all this. Nobody wants to talk about the boring stuff that matters the most is how to get it too work under the current tax structure especially when you have a locked in guaranteed salary of Duncan at almost 19.4 million next year and Martin's impending free agency. You have Herro and Duncan making close to 50 million coming from the two guard spot.

It’s a very overlooked thing of one of the many benefits if we were to acquire Dame last summer. Everyone thinks of the deep 3s like his game winner the other night at the buzzer but his rim pressure is elite. I haven’t checked this season because he’s not being used right but last season he was top 10 or 5 in basically every metric when it came to attacking the basket.

It’s something that makes me want Mitchell even more. He will blow by his guy several times a game. I mean think about it, how many times a game do you see a guard blow by there defender forcing the defense to react leading to a wide open 3 in the corner or a simple dump off and dunk for Bam? It’s very rare. With someone like Mitchell you would see it multiple times a game. It’s little things like this that people don’t think about but do so much for a teams offense

Yeah agreed, its why when you see Jovic run down hill after a rebound without letting the defense set and catches the entire defense on their heels he gets our team open looks like crazy. Its also the reason why his +/- is always team leading in most games because of this. A speedy guard would triple the amount of times that generally happens specially if his ball handling is elite as well.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I'm tired of seeing every opponent get into the paint with ease seemingly every possession. Then on the other end Miami seems incapable of getting into the paint for extended chunks of time.

Outside of Jimmy and JJJ we basically have to spam Bam pick and roll/pop action to free guys up because we don’t have anyone that’s fast/explosive enough to beat their man consistently. Another somewhat minor thing that would open up so much for this team and especially Bam and the shooters.

As far as point of attack, it seem like the team has been making it a main point of emphasis. Tyler Herro seems to have improved his IQ on that front, we always say he is abysmal but apparently the stats are showing that not to be the case this year as the season goes on.

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He’s improved for sure, he’s holding guys 2% below their average, I’ll live with that (until I see him getting picked on in the 4th of a close game). For comparison, players shoot 3% better than their average when defended by JJJ and JRich. Both show signs of being solid defenders but have wrongfully been labeled as good defenders this year. 1% better when defended by Jimmy but he doesn’t care right now. 8% worse when defended by Bam who is having arguably his best season on both sides of the court

[greg4012]

I'm tired of seeing every opponent get into the paint with ease seemingly every possession. Then on the other end Miami seems incapable of getting into the paint for extended chunks of time.

Outside of Jimmy and JJJ we basically have to spam Bam pick and roll/pop action to free guys up because we don’t have anyone that’s fast/explosive enough to beat their man consistently. Another somewhat minor thing that would open up so much for this team and especially Bam and the shooters.

As far as point of attack, it seem like the team has been making it a main point of emphasis. Tyler Herro seems to have improved his IQ on that front, we always say he is abysmal but apparently the stats are showing that not to be the case this year as the season goes on.

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Herro has def improved on D. Glad to see the team's focus on it. Getting Haywood back in the lineup (and Jimmy and Caleb) has def been big for our defense the past few games.

But man, just last night the Nets seemed to get 2 feet in the paint every possession. The D would crash hard on them, but the number of open 3s that Miami gave away was less than ideal (can be mitigated with better POA defense). I think I read the Nets set a franchise record for missed 3s (a lot wide open) last night.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I am sure Hawks would ask for Herro for Dejounte.

Maybe, they’ll probably ask high to start negotiations with everyone but right now we know they’ll be satisfied with 2 1sts.

[IceColdCubano]

I’ve been a big advocate of trying to deal Duncan and allocating his money towards a PG but i feel like dealing him at this point would do damage to team morale. If we do end up having to trade him it’s probably best to do it as a throw in for an impact player during the offseason. I’ve caved on dealing him at this point. He’s worth more to us now then probably what the league would give us for him anyway.

It’s ALWAYS been Lowry, they have to find a way to get something done. Lakers gave the blueprint last year

The Lowry problem is that the incoming salary needs to be mostly expiring as well, which is what makes the Lowry situation difficult for the FO. Unless its for a Clear 1A or 1B guy that they would be willing to then deal with the 2nd Apron. With Miami it has never just been about winning in our FO its can you do it under the cap first, then the winning, and finding the right balance.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Asking price for Kuzma is also 2 1st being reported today. So Murray Kuzma and…….DFS are available for 2 1sts lol. I’d do it for Murray because I’m confident in the ability to recoup assets if we needed to with him. The other 2 not so much. I’ll never send 2 1sts for a bonafide role player.

[greg4012]

I’ve been a big advocate of trying to deal Duncan and allocating his money towards a PG but i feel like dealing him at this point would do damage to team morale. If we do end up having to trade him it’s probably best to do it as a throw in for an impact player during the offseason. I’ve caved on dealing him at this point. He’s worth more to us now then probably what the league would give us for him anyway.

Duncan has been a key cog in our season where everyone else seems to be hurt, streaky or a bust. So dealing him for a say a PG would plug one hole and create another. Unfortunately what other wing from our bench has been consistent enough to provide the type of shooting, and playmaking we need when we have droughts in the offense or need a quick score. Caleb Martin isn't it, Jrich isn't it, Highsmith is just a 3&D wing at this point, Kevin Love doesn't play that role he's more of an outlet shooter and at this time the mojoirity of his minutes are from the back up center position. I guess we could theorize, that when everyone is healthy perhaps, JJJ would fill that role off the bench. Jovic looks like he is coming into his own but I feel like he is still 1-2 more years away form really unlock the potential we need in the front court. He might be ready to role with the bench unit as our 6th man next year, as a primary point forward, but we don't know if he is trade bait at this point.

The answer is Herro shifting to a more efficient role for his game--while allowing the new PG addition to handle more on-ball work playmaking.

Plus hope Cole Swider is ready for the next step in his development. Losing Duncan would surely sting when he's playing so well and his exact impact won't be replicated easily. But that's the rub. Duncan is either a terrible contract when he's out of the lineup or in a shooting funk (no trade value) or he's a very valuable shooting piece with a really unique impact that has trade value.

[IceColdCubano]

I’ve been a big advocate of trying to deal Duncan and allocating his money towards a PG but i feel like dealing him at this point would do damage to team morale. If we do end up having to trade him it’s probably best to do it as a throw in for an impact player during the offseason. I’ve caved on dealing him at this point. He’s worth more to us now then probably what the league would give us for him anyway.

Duncan has been a key cog in our season where everyone else seems to be hurt, streaky or a bust. So dealing him for a say a PG would plug one hole and create another. Unfortunately what other wing from our bench has been consistent enough to provide the type of shooting, and playmaking we need when we have droughts in the offense or need a quick score. Caleb Martin isn't it, Jrich isn't it, Highsmith is just a 3&D wing at this point, Kevin Love doesn't play that role he's more of an outlet shooter and at this time the mojoirity of his minutes are from the back up center position. I guess we could theorize, that when everyone is healthy perhaps, JJJ would fill that role off the bench. Jovic looks like he is coming into his own but I feel like he is still 1-2 more years away form really unlock the potential we need in the front court. He might be ready to role with the bench unit as our 6th man next year, as a primary point forward, but we don't know if he is trade bait at this point.

The answer is Herro shifting to a more efficient role for his game--while allowing the new PG addition to handle more on-ball work playmaking.

Plus hope Cole Swider is ready for the next step in his development. Losing Duncan would surely sting when he's playing so well and his exact impact won't be replicated easily. But that's the rub. Duncan is either a terrible contract when he's out of the lineup or in a shooting funk (no trade value) or he's a very valuable shooting piece with a really unique impact that has trade value.

The one thing I will say about Duncan this year, we may never have him at this much value ever again. So if a trade were to go down with a rival who has aspirations of playoff play, Duncan could be the missing piece that gets us the most bang for our buck in return.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Last nights matchup stats, guys are now shooting 5% better this season when defended by Lowry after a great defensive game from him last night. This dude has just been all around bad this year

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’d hate to see Duncan go, he’s finally put it all together this year and he’s probably the best on the team at finding Bam. I feel that 2 man action has been a massive staple of this team for years.

For the right piece you have to do it but idk what that right piece is.

[IceColdCubano]

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The kid is doing something right, that is making a positive impact on the team, and the reason why Spo has yet to pull him from the starting lineup. He isn't yet trusted for closing minutes, or clutch minutes like JJJ is but he is improving his chemistry with the team every game he gets under his belt as our starting PF next to Bam. You also see he makes Bams life easier because it allows him to move without the ball and make quick decisions, as before Bam would be the one running down the court passing it to a team mate then spend time trying to get positioning to receive a drop pass in the post. Now he runs down gets positioning, and if he isn't the receiver he is still positioned to get an offensive rebound for a putback.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I’d hate to see Duncan go, he’s finally put it all together this year and he’s probably the best on the team at finding Bam. I feel that 2 man action has been a massive staple of this team for years.

For the right piece you have to do it but idk what that right piece is.

It's tough man so many catch 22's

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Last nights matchup stats, guys are now shooting 5% better this season when defended by Lowry after a great defensive game from him last night. This dude has just been all around bad this year

Lowry's salary is an albatross right now. Dude is 38 and should be coming off the bench putting in 10 minutes a night offering up the young players some wisdom on a Haslem salary. He's being played out of necessity and of course his contract right now. Sure he'll have his nice veteran moments but at the cost of 30 million that's rough. Once again the issue remains is that most of his salary needs to come off the books. The moment Herro's contract increased it has made it a necessity. In order to truly work around this you either have to go cheap at the PG spot or you deal Duncan's close to 20 million dollar a year salary. Rozier makes around 23.

[RexBoyWonder]

I’d hate to see Duncan go, he’s finally put it all together this year and he’s probably the best on the team at finding Bam. I feel that 2 man action has been a massive staple of this team for years.

For the right piece you have to do it but idk what that right piece is.

It's tough man so many catch 22's

You're making more complicated then need be.

Duncan is playing great, and fits great.
Herro is playing good and improving.

Lowry is the only piece to move. You upgrade him to any other starting PG and we'll be better. Just don't overpay.

And I don't want to hear about next year's tax.
1 - we'll save alot money if we dump Lowry for Tyus/sexton/Rozier.
2 - Caleb Martin is not a reason not to upgrade at PG. Martin can walk, he's not a diffrence maker long term. He's getting way overrated here, we shouldn't be worrying about giving him a big long term deal, if he gets one from some team he can go just like Vincent did.

We need to trade our bad PG for a better one, and not overpay for the upgrade. It's that simple.

[ZoStrong]

Murray went on national TV and said he would welcome a trade back to the Spurs. It’s in the Hawks best interest to get the Spurs to give them their own picks back they originally gave up. Not get Lowry or Robinson and the Heat’s notoriously mid to late round picks.

Hey, maybe if Heat tell them our management will pick the players for them at mid 1sts, they might be agreeable

[MettaWorldPanda]

If we end up having to trade Duncan you essentially have to get back someone who can fill his role that are on expiring contracts. I'm guessing thinking along the lines of a Gordon Hayward, Bojan Bogdonovic, and Doug McDermott.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Murray went on national TV and said he would welcome a trade back to the Spurs. It’s in the Hawks best interest to get the Spurs to give them their own picks back they originally gave up. Not get Lowry or Robinson and the Heat’s notoriously mid to late round picks.

Hey, maybe if Heat tell them our management will pick the players for them at mid 1sts, they might be agreeable

This is great

[ZoStrong]

I'd part ways w Martin before Duncan. Duncan's been consistent n fits well here w Bam and others. We'll lose Martin definitely at the end of the year and who knows if we'll get the playoff Martin again this year or not

[IceColdCubano]

I’d hate to see Duncan go, he’s finally put it all together this year and he’s probably the best on the team at finding Bam. I feel that 2 man action has been a massive staple of this team for years.

For the right piece you have to do it but idk what that right piece is.

It's tough man so many catch 22's

You're making more complicated then need be.

Duncan is playing great, and fits great.
Herro is playing good and improving.

Lowry is the only piece to move. You upgrade him to any other starting PG and we'll be better. Just don't overpay.

And I don't want to hear about next year's tax.
1 - we'll save alot money if we dump Lowry for Tyus/sexton/Rozier.
2 - Caleb Martin is not a reason not to upgrade at PG. Martin can walk, he's not a diffrence maker long term. He's getting way overrated here, we shouldn't be worrying about giving him a big long term deal, if he gets one from some team he can go just like Vincent did.

We need to trade our bad PG for a better one, and not overpay for the upgrade. It's that simple.

Easier said than done, You have to receive the same amount of money give or take 5% back that you sent out, if you take a less expensive PG you need filler salary to get bundled coming back. The problem is some of that needs to Expiring, Lowry's 30M is not going to give us 30M in cap space when he expires only about 14-15M of it will. Its a math problem, sure our FO can put something together using multiple teams, that are willing to help each other where we get less salary back, and perhaps a small player who's expiring as filler. The problem is finding that situation, and getting all the teams to like what they get out of the trade.

Ok, ill do some quick Math - Terry Rozier makes 23M this year and 24M next year that won't work even with 7M in expiring returning cause like I said, only half of Lowry's salary is coming off the books.

Collin Sexton, makes 17M this year and 18M next year that one is a bit closer, still about 2M away, but its easier because we could make it so we receive less filler and perhaps just eack into under the 2nd Apron. So Collin could work in a multi team trade.

Tyus Jones, is makine 14M this year and is expiring. That is exactly the money contract size we would need to stay under the 2nd Apron, also he is a free agent next year which we could decide to make it work or not. This one is the most viable, now what can we give them to want to trade with us, and better yet, what filler do we get back.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I’d hate to see Duncan go, he’s finally put it all together this year and he’s probably the best on the team at finding Bam. I feel that 2 man action has been a massive staple of this team for years.

For the right piece you have to do it but idk what that right piece is.

It's tough man so many catch 22's

You're making more complicated then need be.

Duncan is playing great, and fits great.
Herro is playing good and improving.

Lowry is the only piece to move. You upgrade him to any other starting PG and we'll be better. Just don't overpay.

And I don't want to hear about next year's tax.
1 - we'll save alot money if we dump Lowry for Tyus/sexton/Rozier.
2 - Caleb Martin is not a reason not to upgrade at PG. Martin can walk, he's not a diffrence maker long term. He's getting way overrated here, we shouldn't be worrying about giving him a big long term deal, if he gets one from some team he can go just like Vincent did.

We need to trade our bad PG for a better one, and not overpay for the upgrade. It's that simple.

I think we should do everything we can to make Lowry for Rozier work. Yes I do agree it saves us 6.4 million in space this year and that equates to like 13 million in lux tax penalties this year savings. You let Martin walk next year unless it's on some value deal for under 10 million that keeps us from under the 1st apron. I think we are allowed to hover 6 million over the tax line for returning player if not mistaken.