Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread

[89Magicfan]

I'd be working really hard towards Simons but likelier that we fall back to Tyus, Brogdon, or Rozier...who are all very available, IMO

Fultz, Harris, WCJ likeliest to go...picks hopefully added to make it a more significant move.

Have to look at ATL pretty much announcing they are open for business too...I really like Bogdonavic and AJ Griffin, Bogie could be available because he's old & expensive (maybe Capela too) and they might be looking for some financial flexibility despite his significant role. Griffin is somewhat out of the rotation since they acquired Bey. I could see ATL gear up at the TD for bigger summer retool...or maybe we pitch in towards them clearing room for Siakim?

Trading for Brogdon doesn’t make sense to me.

Differences in our commonly discussed targets, IMO...

Tyus Jones...will score 15ppg EVERY night, makes zero mistakes, solid but unspectacular floor general, poor defense, small, 5.6 apg
probably lowest price to trade, but also UFA making close to $15m - may want to contend next year

Brogdon...will score 17 ppg, but will go off for 30 on occasion, aggressive shooter, 31 yo, excellent defender, past injury history, 5 apg

Simons...will score 20ppg, but will go off for 30 a couple times per month, elite high-volume 3pt shooter, best shooter and best athlete of the bunch, youngest, poor defense, 5 apg...may not even be available.

Murray...will score 17 ppg, but will go off for 30 on occasion, aggressive defender - long, gets steals (that fits us), has avg 9 apg as PG

Simons and Murray are the only two on that list that I’d probably move for.

Seasons filled with injuries, last thing we should do is trade for another player with the same history.

Jones wouldn’t move the needle.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Trading for Brogdon doesn’t make sense to me.

Differences in our commonly discussed targets, IMO...

Tyus Jones...will score 15ppg EVERY night, makes zero mistakes, solid but unspectacular floor general, poor defense, small, 5.6 apg
probably lowest price to trade, but also UFA making close to $15m - may want to contend next year

Brogdon...will score 17 ppg, but will go off for 30 on occasion, aggressive shooter, 31 yo, excellent defender, past injury history, 5 apg

Simons...will score 20ppg, but will go off for 30 a couple times per month, elite high-volume 3pt shooter, best shooter and best athlete of the bunch, youngest, poor defense, 5 apg...may not even be available.

Murray...will score 17 ppg, but will go off for 30 on occasion, aggressive defender - long, gets steals (that fits us), has avg 9 apg as PG

Simons and Murray are the only two on that list that I’d probably move for.

Seasons filled with injuries, last thing we should do is trade for another player with the same history.

Jones wouldn’t move the needle.

You can’t say with a straight face Jones wouldn’t move the needle. 10-15 PPG and 5.6 APG is almost double what we get nightly now. The gravity plus playmaking would massively improve our roster.

[CarraT]

Differences in our commonly discussed targets, IMO...

Tyus Jones...will score 15ppg EVERY night, makes zero mistakes, solid but unspectacular floor general, poor defense, small, 5.6 apg
probably lowest price to trade, but also UFA making close to $15m - may want to contend next year

Brogdon...will score 17 ppg, but will go off for 30 on occasion, aggressive shooter, 31 yo, excellent defender, past injury history, 5 apg

Simons...will score 20ppg, but will go off for 30 a couple times per month, elite high-volume 3pt shooter, best shooter and best athlete of the bunch, youngest, poor defense, 5 apg...may not even be available.

Murray...will score 17 ppg, but will go off for 30 on occasion, aggressive defender - long, gets steals (that fits us), has avg 9 apg as PG

Simons and Murray are the only two on that list that I’d probably move for.

Seasons filled with injuries, last thing we should do is trade for another player with the same history.

Jones wouldn’t move the needle.

You can’t say with a straight face Jones wouldn’t move the needle. 20 PPG and 5.6 APG is almost double what we get nightly now. The gravity plus playmaking would massively improve our roster.

Which Jones are you writing about? Tyus is avering 12.8 ppg. Carreer hight for him, btw.
Sad thing is, he still would be our best PG by far. Mainly because he never loses the ball, A/TO ratio is elite while shooting is decent.

[jezzerinho]

100 pages of a trade thread with zero trades!

Slowhand Jeff just keeps amblin' right along!!!

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Simons and Murray are the only two on that list that I’d probably move for.

Seasons filled with injuries, last thing we should do is trade for another player with the same history.

Jones wouldn’t move the needle.

You can’t say with a straight face Jones wouldn’t move the needle. 20 PPG and 5.6 APG is almost double what we get nightly now. The gravity plus playmaking would massively improve our roster.

Which Jones are you writing about? Tyus is avering 12.8 ppg. Carreer hight for him, btw.
Sad thing is, he still would be our best PG by far. Mainly because he never loses the ball, A/TO ratio is elite while shooting is decent.

Had his last weeks stats up so you’re correct 12 ppg. Good news is he’s pretty consistent and has sprinkled in 20+ point games.

[Knightro]

Tyus Jones in his career...

18 MPG on a 47-win team, +6.4 ON/OFF
21 MPG on a 56-win team, +8.0 ON/OFF
24 MPG on a 51-win team, +1.4 ON/OFF

He could help this team significantly.

[IllMagic04]

ORL sends Black, WCJ
DET sends Ivey, Bogdanovic

all about fit. Recent high draft picks placed in redundant positions on the teams that selected them. WCJ's versatility complements Duren and he's young enough to grow with Cade and company. ORL still maintains loads of expiring salary and picks to work with.

Not a chance the Pistons do this. I dont see how Black is a better fit for their team then Ivey. Ivey is showing some real flashes lately.

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[89Magicfan]

Differences in our commonly discussed targets, IMO...

Tyus Jones...will score 15ppg EVERY night, makes zero mistakes, solid but unspectacular floor general, poor defense, small, 5.6 apg
probably lowest price to trade, but also UFA making close to $15m - may want to contend next year

Brogdon...will score 17 ppg, but will go off for 30 on occasion, aggressive shooter, 31 yo, excellent defender, past injury history, 5 apg

Simons...will score 20ppg, but will go off for 30 a couple times per month, elite high-volume 3pt shooter, best shooter and best athlete of the bunch, youngest, poor defense, 5 apg...may not even be available.

Murray...will score 17 ppg, but will go off for 30 on occasion, aggressive defender - long, gets steals (that fits us), has avg 9 apg as PG

Simons and Murray are the only two on that list that I’d probably move for.

Seasons filled with injuries, last thing we should do is trade for another player with the same history.

Jones wouldn’t move the needle.

You can’t say with a straight face Jones wouldn’t move the needle. 10-15 PPG and 5.6 APG is almost double what we get nightly now. The gravity plus playmaking would massively improve our roster.

I just did.

He’s solid and I wouldn’t be against him being on this team but I’m not giving up good assets for what he offers at his age.

[CarraT]

Trade #1
In: T. Jones, Kispert, Gafford
Out: Fultz, Anthony, Okeke, Denver 1st

Trade #2
In: Simons
Out: Carter Jr, AB, 1st rounder

PG Suggs / Jones
SG Simons / Ingles / Houstan
SF Wagner / Kispert / Howard
PF Banchero / Isaac / Wagner
C Gafford / Goga

In offseason sign Malik Monk, Buddy Hield or Malik Beasly as new 6th man microwaver.

[Bergmaniac]

I disagree, the Jazz years ago had a starting lineup of Mitchell and Conley and still had Clarkson and Joe coming off the bench. Cole will get his mins as a microwave scorer off the bench. I just don’t see the Magic trading Cole when they just resigned him in the offseason and he has been great so far. I really think the magic like Cole.

But Cole hasn't been great. Sure, his PPG look quite nice for a bench player, but his scoring efficiency is below league average and he is not much of a playmaker. On defence he tries hard usualy and is a very good rebounder, but is usually the weakest link in the defence and gets targeted. He has a negative net rating and the worst defensive rating on the team. A lot of the lineups in which he has played has been quite bad defensively (i.e. pretty much any lineup without Isaac in it, he has 119.17 DRTG in the minutes he's played this year without Isaac compared to 106.03 in the minutes he's played with him). He is doing fine for his contract, but he definitely should be in consideration for trades.

Yes, trade Cole if a trade presents itself. However, I feel like people down play what Cole has done this season. Despite what the stats say, there are games where Cole has helped the Magic win especially in early part of the season. So much so he is a 6th man of year candidate. He and the bench are huge part of the reason why the Magic have been so good this season. I just don’t see the Magic trading him especially after resigning him in the offseason.

Sure, he's helped us win some games, I am not denying this, in fact there is a pretty high correlation between him playing well and the team winning (and vice versa which means he's lost us some games too). But I don't think this means he's played great overall, he's done well for his contract which makes him a trade asset, but far from someone who should only be moved if a crazy offer comes. To get someone good we need to trade some actual assets, and Cole is very much expendable in my eyes.

I'd take Tyus Jones over him any day of the week if we can arrange for him to sign a reasonable contract, this team badly need a PG who can keep the turnovers low while still creating a decent amount for his teammates. A massive advantage in turnover economy is more valuable than a few PPG.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Simons and Murray are the only two on that list that I’d probably move for.

Seasons filled with injuries, last thing we should do is trade for another player with the same history.

Jones wouldn’t move the needle.

You can’t say with a straight face Jones wouldn’t move the needle. 10-15 PPG and 5.6 APG is almost double what we get nightly now. The gravity plus playmaking would massively improve our roster.

I just did.

He’s solid and I wouldn’t be against him being on this team but I’m not giving up good assets for what he offers at his age.

I'm sure there will be some chatter around what it took to get him. Expiring and 2 2nd's or does he get Expiring and late future 1st. Will be fun times

[Knightro]

Here's my thought on Tyus...

If the Wizards are insisting on a late 1st like the Denver 2025 1st or the Magic's 2025 1st, I'd push for Kispert or Gafford to also be in the deal, or both.

Otherwise I'd do Fultz and multiple 2nds for Jones.

The Magic can just sign Jones outright this summer if they're so inclined, ya know?

[JRoy]

Trade #1
In: T. Jones, Kispert, Gafford
Out: Fultz, Anthony, Okeke, Denver 1st

Trade #2
In: Simons
Out: Carter Jr, AB, 1st rounder

PG Suggs / Jones
SG Simons / Ingles / Houstan
SF Wagner / Kispert / Howard
PF Banchero / Isaac / Wagner
C Gafford / Goga

In offseason sign Malik Monk, Buddy Hield or Malik Beasly as new 6th man microwaver.

I’d do that deal for POR. Would probably move AB to a 3rd team as FO can’t move Scoot and lose face (and their jobs). I like AB more than Scoot but the optics make this tough

[Knightro]

Trade #1
In: T. Jones, Kispert, Gafford
Out: Fultz, Anthony, Okeke, Denver 1st

Trade #2
In: Simons
Out: Carter Jr, AB, 1st rounder

This feels like a wild overpay for Simons.

I like trade 1 good enough though.

[CarraT]

Another Option:

Orlando Magic
In: Ayton, Simons, Kispert
Out: Harris, Fultz, Howard, Carter Jr, Okeke, two 1st rounder

Portland
In: Fultz, Harris, Gafford, Okeke, Howard, 1st Rounder
Out: Ayton, Simons,

Washington
In: Carter Jr, 1st Rounder
Out: Gafford, Kispert

Lineup
PG Suggs, Anthony
SG Simons, AB, Houstan
SF Wagner, Kispert, Ingles
PF Banchero, Isaac, Wagner
C Ayton, Goga

[CarraT]

Trade #1
In: T. Jones, Kispert, Gafford
Out: Fultz, Anthony, Okeke, Denver 1st

Trade #2
In: Simons
Out: Carter Jr, AB, 1st rounder

This feels like a wild overpay for Simons.

I like trade 1 good enough though.

Carter Jr is injury prone, AB is unproven and so far defensive role player with no offense, our 1st rounder are not going to be lottery picks, Simons is playing great this season. In Summer it wouldve been overpaying, think it matches quite well this season. You got to trade value to get value.

[BadMofoPimp]

ORL sends Black, WCJ
DET sends Ivey, Bogdanovic

all about fit. Recent high draft picks placed in redundant positions on the teams that selected them. WCJ's versatility complements Duren and he's young enough to grow with Cade and company. ORL still maintains loads of expiring salary and picks to work with.

Pistons really need outside shooting. There is no chance in hell they do this deal.

[cedric76]

Trade #1
In: T. Jones, Kispert, Gafford
Out: Fultz, Anthony, Okeke, Denver 1st

Trade #2
In: Simons
Out: Carter Jr, AB, 1st rounder

PG Suggs / Jones
SG Simons / Ingles / Houstan
SF Wagner / Kispert / Howard
PF Banchero / Isaac / Wagner
C Gafford / Goga

In offseason sign Malik Monk, Buddy Hield or Malik Beasly as new 6th man microwaver.

I’d do that deal for POR. Would probably move AB to a 3rd team as FO can’t move Scoot and lose face (and their jobs). I like AB more than Scoot but the optics make this tough

of course you would, daylight robbery

Only on realgm

[CarraT]

Trade #1
In: T. Jones, Kispert, Gafford
Out: Fultz, Anthony, Okeke, Denver 1st

Trade #2
In: Simons
Out: Carter Jr, AB, 1st rounder

PG Suggs / Jones
SG Simons / Ingles / Houstan
SF Wagner / Kispert / Howard
PF Banchero / Isaac / Wagner
C Gafford / Goga

In offseason sign Malik Monk, Buddy Hield or Malik Beasly as new 6th man microwaver.

I’d do that deal for POR. Would probably move AB to a 3rd team as FO can’t move Scoot and lose face (and their jobs). I like AB more than Scoot but the optics make this tough

of course you would, daylight robbery

Only on realgm

Yea, realgm, where Magic fans are so overrating there own players trade value.
Like I already said. Carter is injury prone. AB is not even in top 10 rookie ladder, despite playing big minutes. He is super bad on offense. Good on defense, but not a good fit for us, his profile is too similar to Suggs. And first rounder will be a late one. While Simons is having a career season.
I’d to that trade in a heartbeat. Win win situation for the teams, AB is a good fit there, Simons is a good fit here.

[thelead]

I’d do that deal for POR. Would probably move AB to a 3rd team as FO can’t move Scoot and lose face (and their jobs). I like AB more than Scoot but the optics make this tough

of course you would, daylight robbery

Only on realgm

Yea, realgm, where Magic fans are so overrating there own players trade value.
Like I already said. Carter is injury prone. AB is not even in top 10 rookie ladder, despite playing big minutes. He is super bad on offense. Good on defense, but not a good fit for us, his profile is too similar to Suggs. And first rounder will be a late one. While Simons is having a career season.
I’d to that trade in a heartbeat. Win win situation for the teams, AB is a good fit there, Simons is a good fit here.

You’re making the SAME EXACT mistake Bulls made when evaluating Vuc. Simons is good. He is not great. You’re overpaying by including AB.