PG: Knicks unclutch fall to Magic, Randle and Divo miss crucial freethrows

[mpharris36]

Knicks pick this season will likely be around 20-25. So that is not a pick we should be too worried about surrendering in the right trade (especially with the Dallas pick likely to be in the same range).

Trading another one in two years is also likely not to represent a huge risk, assuming you are getting a long-term piece that takes your team to the next level.

Detroit will have roughly $60m in cap room next summer, so they are likely to throw big money at free agents. It is entirely possible that they will get significantly better next season (and thus that their pick conveys to us).

The question is: do you trust management to make these kinds of decisions? I am beginning to have my doubts.

the point is the team we are actually trade for a superstar wants those picks as well...

Saving assets we can afford to spend for a player who isn't even on the market is a dumb idea. We have three weeks to get a better trade asset with Evans salary. That won't come for free,

agreed they are trying to do that with Grimes and protected picks though...they arne't trading unprotected picks for DJM. That would be beyond dumb.

[duetta]

at this point DJM doesn't look realistic because ATL wants picks (seems like they aren't interested in protected picks). So that ship seems to have sailed with us trading IQ to TOR.

Knicks pick this season will likely be around 20-25. So that is not a pick we should be too worried about surrendering in the right trade (especially with the Dallas pick likely to be in the same range).

Trading another one in two years is also likely not to represent a huge risk, assuming you are getting a long-term piece that takes your team to the next level.

Detroit will have roughly $60m in cap room next summer, so they are likely to throw big money at free agents. It is entirely possible that they will get significantly better next season (and thus that their pick conveys to us).

The question is: do you trust management to make these kinds of decisions? I am beginning to have my doubts.

the point is the team we are actually trade for a superstar wants those picks as well...

Who is this player that we are supposed to be trading for? The best teams drafted their own players. Is Phoenix winning big with the famous Kevin Durant? No. Is Cleveland winning big with Mitchell? No. None of the players traded in these mega deals are worth what you give up to get them.

Denver just won an NBA championship with their best two players being a 2nd round pick and a player drafted with a #1 pick the Knicks surrendered in the Carmelo Anthony trade.

[mpharris36]

Knicks pick this season will likely be around 20-25. So that is not a pick we should be too worried about surrendering in the right trade (especially with the Dallas pick likely to be in the same range).

Trading another one in two years is also likely not to represent a huge risk, assuming you are getting a long-term piece that takes your team to the next level.

Detroit will have roughly $60m in cap room next summer, so they are likely to throw big money at free agents. It is entirely possible that they will get significantly better next season (and thus that their pick conveys to us).

The question is: do you trust management to make these kinds of decisions? I am beginning to have my doubts.

the point is the team we are actually trade for a superstar wants those picks as well...

Who is this player that we are supposed to be trading for? The best teams drafted their own players. Is Phoenix winning big with the famous Kevin Durant? No. Is Cleveland winning big with Mitchell? No. None of the players traded in these mega deals are worth what you give up to get them.

Denver just won an NBA championship with their best two players being a 2nd round pick and a player drafted with a #1 pick the Knicks surrendered in the Carmelo Anthony trade.

whether you like it or not this is the approach the FO took....they have been hording draft picks to trade for a STAR. They 100% don't believe in building through the draft and developing young players...they limited IQ minutes...they are limiting Grimes minutes for a vet in Donte D. The feel they can get vets to replicate young players production and they depreciate there own assets.

[HarthorneWingo]

Hit your damn FREE THROWS.

[sol537]

The best teams fill out their bench and future starters through the draft... see OKC, Denver, Boston...

[Deeeez Knicks]

like i said though, i can't remember a deal that looked like this. i guess gobert was mostly all picks but they did give up kessler. and vanderbilt was kind of young.

Harden to the Nets?

jarrett allen had a lot of value

Oh yea, forgot he was in there…Mitch might be close to Allen….

But I don’t really know how this plan will work out. They do need another big piece. Plus a lot depends on which Randle shows up.

I would prefer to keep Grimes. We are more than a better bench away. But will see what happens.

[duetta]

the point is the team we are actually trade for a superstar wants those picks as well...

Who is this player that we are supposed to be trading for? The best teams drafted their own players. Is Phoenix winning big with the famous Kevin Durant? No. Is Cleveland winning big with Mitchell? No. None of the players traded in these mega deals are worth what you give up to get them.

Denver just won an NBA championship with their best two players being a 2nd round pick and a player drafted with a #1 pick the Knicks surrendered in the Carmelo Anthony trade.

whether you like it or not this is the approach the FO took....they have been hording draft picks to trade for a STAR. They 100% don't believe in building through the draft and developing young players...they limited IQ minutes...they are limiting Grimes minutes for a vet in Donte D. The feel they can get vets to replicate young players production and they depreciate there own assets.

Then they are idiots - and we are even bigger idiots for continuing to watch this team so long as this owner / management team is in charge.

[Buttah304]

evan is gonna write an award winning autobiography about his time here after he finally escapes his holding cell

Evan trying to leave MSG

[G_K_F]

The best teams fill out their bench and future starters through the draft... see OKC, Denver, Boston...

We aren’t and will never be one of those franchises with forward thinking under Dolan.

[rajajackal]

Hit your damn FREE THROWS.

that's my og

[HarthorneWingo]

Hit your damn FREE THROWS.

that's my og

[Jalen Bluntson]

the point is the team we are actually trade for a superstar wants those picks as well...

Saving assets we can afford to spend for a player who isn't even on the market is a dumb idea. We have three weeks to get a better trade asset with Evans salary. That won't come for free,

agreed they are trying to do that with Grimes and protected picks though...they arne't trading unprotected picks for DJM. That would be beyond dumb.

DAL pick IS protected but, will most likely convey this year. Ours will expire before we trade for a star as welI. There is no one on the market. I am not suggesting we have to trade them for Murray but, we have to use them before we can make a star trade. So however they want to do that is one thing. They absolutely HAVE TO do that in the next three weeks though. Otherwise they will have to use them in the draft and hope the players they get have the same value.

[mpharris36]

Saving assets we can afford to spend for a player who isn't even on the market is a dumb idea. We have three weeks to get a better trade asset with Evans salary. That won't come for free,

agreed they are trying to do that with Grimes and protected picks though...they arne't trading unprotected picks for DJM. That would be beyond dumb.

DAL pick IS protected but, will most likely convey this year. Ours will expire before we trade for a star as welI. There is no one on the market. I am not suggesting we have to trade them for Murray but, we have to use them before we can make a star trade. So however they want to do that is one thing. They absolutely HAVE TO do that in the next three weeks though. Otherwise they will have to use them in the draft and hope the players they get have the same value.

they can also you know make the selections...like Utah did with Kessler...and they can show out in SL and then be used as trade assets as well.

[dakomish23]

Those two things have nothing to do with each other

we gave quick's money to the nova boys

Absolutely true.

There is no hard cap. They chose to not pay IQ.

[duetta]

we gave quick's money to the nova boys

Absolutely true.

There is no hard cap. They chose to not pay IQ.

They are working as if there is a practical cap (trying to stay beneath the apron). They also did not believe that IQ was worth the $135m over 5 years that he was asking.

[thebuzzardman]

Thibs doesn't believe that children are the future

[sol537]

We should be dealing Hart away and keeping Grimes...

Grimes is a modern NBA 3&D guy who saved our season last year... Hart has value when he's "on" but he hasn't fit this season so far and the better long-term "play" is to keep Grimes over Hart IMO. But they're not likely to break up the Nova boys.

[Deeeez Knicks]

So much of what the Knicks do is based on Thibs circle of trust. That part is kinda ridiculous. He had Elf and Fournier in his circle of trust at one point. IQ never really could get in there for whatever reason. Randle is firmly in there. At one point Grimes was there but fell out.

Deuce maybe is earning it, but as soon as Brunson comes back he’ll be back to quick hooks. Crazy how Deuce couldn’t get 2 min and now playing 40….even with an injury

iHart wasn’t even starting over Sims. Took like 3 injuries for him to get there.

It’s all lunacy how fickle Thibs circle of trust is, and how quickly some move in and out, while others stay there no matter what.

[Jalen Bluntson]

agreed they are trying to do that with Grimes and protected picks though...they arne't trading unprotected picks for DJM. That would be beyond dumb.

DAL pick IS protected but, will most likely convey this year. Ours will expire before we trade for a star as welI. There is no one on the market. I am not suggesting we have to trade them for Murray but, we have to use them before we can make a star trade. So however they want to do that is one thing. They absolutely HAVE TO do that in the next three weeks though. Otherwise they will have to use them in the draft and hope the players they get have the same value.

they can also you know make the selections...like Utah did with Kessler...and they can show out in SL and then be used as trade assets as well.

Yeah...I mentioned that. It's dumb and risky. What if they draft busts?

[duetta]

So much of what the Knicks do is based on Thibs circle of trust. That part is kinda ridiculous. He had Elf and Fournier in his circle of trust at one point. IQ never really could get in there for whatever reason. Randle is firmly in there. At one point Grimes was there but fell out.

Deuce maybe is earning it, but as soon as Brunson comes back he’ll be back to quick hooks. Crazy how Deuce couldn’t get 2 min and now playing 40….even with an injury

iHart wasn’t even starting over Sims. Took like 3 injuries for him to get there.

It’s all lunacy how fickle Thibs circle of trust is, and how quickly some move in and out, while others stay there no matter what.

Thibs is in year four of his deal. He will be a lame-duck coach next season unless they extend him. He turns 66 tomorrow. How much longer do they go with him?