Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 2

[PushDaRock]

I mean Vince quit on this team and New Jersey still traded for him. And he subsequently played like vintage Vince after the trade

Yeah and he was traded for the most trash package ever

And we’re about to get an underwhelming package for Siakam

you don't get much value for lazy divas

[Mack11]

hey guys maybe nobody told pascal he needed to play defence this year like that one time nobody told him hes the number 1 option.. cut the guy a break.

[pingpongrac]

He likely already has an agreement with someone. No way we get stuck in a crappy S&T again. Just take the rental package and move on.

Yup. The Sixers. Only team that makes sense. They upgrade from to Tobias Harris to Pascal, and atone for their mistake in not maxing out Butler.

Masai's goal now should be to clear as much cap space for the summer by trading Schroder and Boucher for expirings. It's the only way to start building a competitive team around Scottie, RJ and IQ going forward.

Funny considering Tobias cooks him every time they play

According to what? A single game earlier this season?

H2H for their careers, Siakam has averaged 20.3/7.1/4.4 – which includes some games where he played 20 minutes off the bench – while Harris has averaged 16.8/7.2/3.5 in 34 games. More recently, Siakam badly outplayed Harris in 21/22 (25/8/7 vs 15/9/4 in 9 games) as well as 22/23 (28/10/8 vs 12/6/3 in 3 games).

[Lord_Zedd]

Pascal walking for nothing in the offseason....have a feeling it happens

what is our cap situation like if he walks this summer? Can we try to go after a young RFA and/or UFA AND re-sign IQ?

We can do what Philly will be doing with Maxey this summer - agree to a contract extension with Quickley but not make it official until the Raptors finish shopping around.

Use the available cap space while holding onto Quickley's cap hold until the Raptors finish shopping around.

[Sandman88]

hey guys maybe nobody told pascal he needed to play defence this year like that one time nobody told him hes the number 1 option.. cut the guy a break.

Yeah nobody told him he could pick up a basketball during the pandemic either

[vulture]

It's always predictable that fans will just **** on every star player who plays for the raptors. There were people here who wanted to tank during the championship because Kawhi was load managing.

[tecumseh18]

From an overall effort standpoint, I do think the current Siakam is unmotivated out there compared to his normal self. Too many times he's not contesting shots, not boxing out and generally missing assignments on the defensive end. This situation to me looks like the last year of Chris Bosh in Toronto where Bosh mailed it in because his head was already in Miami.

Oh, no question. Even a usually positive guy like Samson Folk has suggested that Pascal, like OG before the trade, is "quiet quitting". Focusing on the offensive numbers to the exclusion of spending any effort on defence. It's no accident that our last fairly impressive game was the loss to the Clippers - with Pascal not playing.

The 2009-2010 season was a strange one for Bosh. He totally bulked himself up and was racking up the rebounds like crazy. He was an all-star again, and the team was actually in good shape going into the trade deadline. So trading Bosh wasn't an option. Then, after the ASB he got hurt, then he broke his face with a few weeks to go, and refused to come back with a mask to help us slip into the playoffs. Lebron didn't help by playing against us in the final week of the season, while resting against a competitor.

Then that summer he completely shed his weight (and stopped taking the 'roids, I assume) before starting with the Heat, and became a stretch 4/5. The perfect complementary player. What Bargs should have been.

[Basketball_Jones]

Surprising to see a 60ts this season, I don’t feel he’s as impactful out there. Maybe it’s the new offense I don’t know.

[Sandman88]

Yup. The Sixers. Only team that makes sense. They upgrade from to Tobias Harris to Pascal, and atone for their mistake in not maxing out Butler.

Masai's goal now should be to clear as much cap space for the summer by trading Schroder and Boucher for expirings. It's the only way to start building a competitive team around Scottie, RJ and IQ going forward.

Funny considering Tobias cooks him every time they play

According to what? A single game earlier this season?

H2H for their careers, Siakam has averaged 20.3/7.1/4.4 – which includes some games where he played 20 minutes off the bench – while Harris has averaged 16.8/7.2/3.5 in 34 games. More recently, Siakam badly outplayed Harris in 21/22 (25/8/7 vs 15/9/4 in 9 games) as well as 22/23 (28/10/8 vs 12/6/3 in 3 games).

And what are the shooting percentages? Efficiency matters. Also, Siakam is a number 1 option. Harris was a number 3 at the time. Big difference.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[DG88]

If Dallas is a team that Siakam is willing to re-sign with in the summer I'd want OMAX, Green, filler and draft compensation.

[Fairview4Life]

Funny considering Tobias cooks him every time they play

According to what? A single game earlier this season? :lol:

H2H for their careers, Siakam has averaged 20.3/7.1/4.4 – which includes some games where he played 20 minutes off the bench – while Harris has averaged 16.8/7.2/3.5 in 34 games. More recently, Siakam badly outplayed Harris in 21/22 (25/8/7 vs 15/9/4 in 9 games) as well as 22/23 (28/10/8 vs 12/6/3 in 3 games).

And what are the shooting percentages? Efficiency matters. Also, Siakam is a number 1 option. Harris was a number 3 at the time. Big difference.

Pascal was not a number 1 option for all of their head to head games. The head to head numbers start in Tobias's 5th season when Pascal was just a rookie, for example. There's a big ramp up for Pascal to catch up to where Harris started from in their H2H. Efficiency is basically the same regardless.

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&player_id1=siakapa01&player_id2=harrito02

If you start in Pascal's 3rd year, for example, the efficiency is basically identical with Pascal out producing him pretty handily.

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=forall&year_min=2019&year_max=2024&player_id1=siakapa01&player_id2=harrito02

[ArthurVandelay]

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A few days ago Hawks were best odds to get Wiggins

Not sure what those odds are now

[StopitLeo]

I like O-Max, but his upside is a role player. Green is a generic 3&D type SG/SF. it's not a great return as it lacks one piece with enticing upside. But what do we know, maybe it's the only decent offer.

I wouldn't say that his upside is a role player just like Delon Wright has become one. Tony Allen was a role player too, but a hell of one, Boris Diaw too. We need those guys, we can't always look for someone who maybe can get some nba accolades in the future. Josh Green in a Danny Green role ? I'll take that, low usage, high efficiency = success. O-Max, Green and a FRP or two maybe ? Sign me up.

I think what bothers me about it is in terms of shot creation on the team,we're left with Scottie, IQ, RJ. Barring other moves, that's not good enough. Trying to acquire more will be hard and take time. Trading Siakam is our quickest route to getting offensive talent.

3 shot creators is 2 more than we've had the past 2 years! It has literally been all on Pascal's shoulders. I think we'd be fine with Barnes, Quickley, and Barrett for now.

Obviously, if we trade Pascal it would be ideal to get someone back with comparable offensive ability but that's that's unlikely to happen (unless it's Dejounte Murray). You need high-floor role players for depth regardless and acquiring them in a Pascal trade could be easier than trying to sign multiple quality bench guys with the MLE and BAE.

Honestly, if you want an elite shot creator you may as well just keep Pascal.

[WuTang_CMB]

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A few days ago Hawks were best odds to get Wiggins

Not sure what those odds are now

seems all taken off even siakam

[Scase]

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That seems completely reasonable. Unless it's a team he specifically wants to play for there is no benefit to him making any promises.

This is all posturing, any single one of these teams gives him a 5 year commitment, his ass is buying a house before the ink dries.

[pingpongrac]

Funny considering Tobias cooks him every time they play

According to what? A single game earlier this season?

H2H for their careers, Siakam has averaged 20.3/7.1/4.4 – which includes some games where he played 20 minutes off the bench – while Harris has averaged 16.8/7.2/3.5 in 34 games. More recently, Siakam badly outplayed Harris in 21/22 (25/8/7 vs 15/9/4 in 9 games) as well as 22/23 (28/10/8 vs 12/6/3 in 3 games).

And what are the shooting percentages? Efficiency matters. Also, Siakam is a number 1 option. Harris was a number 3 at the time. Big difference.

Siakam wasn't the #1 option for about half of those head-to-head games. The fact that he has been the #1 option the last few seasons and their efficiency in H2H games is nearly identical though (56 TS% for Siakam and 55 TS% for Harris) is more than enough evidence that he hasn't been cooked by Harris more than two or three times out of ~30 games.

[djsunyc]

if we don't trade pascal and he signs somewhere else in free agency, we would have near $40 mil in cap space to spend before re-signing quickley. (that's also including renouncing gary). if we sign 2 rotation guys, then it's like trading pascal for those 2 rotation guys. anyways, here are some possible ufa's:

hayward
lowry
hield
joe harris
malik beasley
mcdermott
gary harris
olynyk
tht
monk
kyle anderson
house
oubre

[tecumseh18]

Honestly, if you want an elite shot creator you may as well just keep Pascal.

No, that's not what we want. We want Scottie, IQ and to a lesser extent RJ to be the ball handlers/shot creators. In exchange for Pascal, we want a propect forward who fits the timeline, and who can play defence and make shots (see sig). A version of OG who is happy with their role, in other words.

And ideally another rotation player or two, to help our depth. OG was the perfect trade. Another one like that, please.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

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That seems completely reasonable. Unless it's a team he specifically wants to play for there is no benefit to him making any promises.

This is all posturing, any single one of these teams gives him a 5 year commitment, his ass is buying a house before the ink dries.

It's awesome, a high calibre NBA player who wants to stay with us! I know all you cynics will say it only because of the money - but there are plenty of players who leave money on the table with a team, and leave for elsewhere. The point is he wants to stay, and has 4-5 years left of his prime.