Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 2

[billy_hoyle]

If Dallas is a team that Siakam is willing to re-sign with in the summer I'd want OMAX, Green, filler and draft compensation.

The only Dallas deal I do is:

Out: Yak, Skillz, McDaniels & Koloko

In: Lively, Omax, Green, G Williams, THJ & Holmes

[gerrit4]

if we don't trade pascal and he signs somewhere else in free agency, we would have near $40 mil in cap space to spend before re-signing quickley. (that's also including renouncing gary). if we sign 2 rotation guys, then it's like trading pascal for those 2 rotation guys. anyways, here are some possible ufa's:

hayward
lowry
hield
joe harris
malik beasley
mcdermott
gary harris
olynyk
tht
monk
kyle anderson
house
oubre

Another to consider is Jalen Smith, who has a player option. He'd be a really nice 4/5 for us. With $40 mill, we could arguably sign Smith and Monk or something like that. That would probably be better than having money tied up in Andrew Wiggins (assuming he doesn't bounce back).

[goinrogue]

If Dallas is a team that Siakam is willing to re-sign with in the summer I'd want OMAX, Green, filler and draft compensation.

Same, getting some young guys whose role it is to play tough defence every night would be a good thing. It’s missing now.

[Airmiess]

Siakam doesn’t really have to say anything… he can simply stay quiet and then conduct his business accordingly once he becomes a FA

but he is electing to sand bag the franchise.

[MessiahUjiri]

If Dallas is a team that Siakam is willing to re-sign with in the summer I'd want OMAX, Green, filler and draft compensation.

Same, getting some young guys whose role it is to play tough defence every night would be a good thing. It’s missing now.

Probably also want THJ for salary and outside shooting.

He can play SG/SF and is a more consistent shooter than Trent.

[djsunyc]

Siakam doesn’t really have to say anything… he can simply stay quiet and then conduct his business accordingly once he becomes a FA

but he is electing to sand bag the franchise.

siakam hasn't said one word.

[ash_k]

Siakam doesn’t really have to say anything… he can simply stay quiet and then conduct his business accordingly once he becomes a FA

but he is electing to sand bag the franchise.

Do you have a videolink of him saying anything to sand bag the franchise? or is it still about the pressure campaign against Masai to reduce Pascal's value (which won't work anyway)

[djsunyc]

if we don't trade pascal and he signs somewhere else in free agency, we would have near $40 mil in cap space to spend before re-signing quickley. (that's also including renouncing gary). if we sign 2 rotation guys, then it's like trading pascal for those 2 rotation guys. anyways, here are some possible ufa's:

hayward
lowry
hield
joe harris
malik beasley
mcdermott
gary harris
olynyk
tht
monk
kyle anderson
house
oubre

Another to consider is Jalen Smith, who has a player option. He'd be a really nice 4/5 for us. With $40 mill, we could arguably sign Smith and Monk or something like that. That would probably be better than having money tied up in Andrew Wiggins (assuming he doesn't bounce back).

let's say it plays out like this - siakam walks but we sign hield + jalen smith.

in essence that means we traded siakam for hield and jalen - not ideal but not nothing. the difference here is that indy lost b/c they didn't get siakam.

[billy_hoyle]

if we don't trade pascal and he signs somewhere else in free agency, we would have near $40 mil in cap space to spend before re-signing quickley. (that's also including renouncing gary). if we sign 2 rotation guys, then it's like trading pascal for those 2 rotation guys. anyways, here are some possible ufa's:

hayward
lowry
hield
joe harris
malik beasley
mcdermott
gary harris
olynyk
tht
monk
kyle anderson
house
oubre

Another to consider is Jalen Smith, who has a player option. He'd be a really nice 4/5 for us. With $40 mill, we could arguably sign Smith and Monk or something like that. That would probably be better than having money tied up in Andrew Wiggins (assuming he doesn't bounce back).

Isn't Claxton a UFA too?
24 and elite D.

If we could take back expirings and picks for Siakam, there is a path to a decent return if you can use the cap space. Personally, I have zero faith we get Monk, Smith or Claxton.

[KrazyP]

I think I’m one of the few posters excited by a OMP and Green package so I would welcome a Dallas trade.
Regarding the kings trade, at least Harrison Barnes would guard the best player and give Scottie more oxygen on offence. Scottie looks exhausted lately.

I like O-Max, but his upside is a role player. Green is a generic 3&D type SG/SF. it's not a great return as it lacks one piece with enticing upside. But what do we know, maybe it's the only decent offer.

I wouldn't say that his upside is a role player just like Delon Wright has become one. Tony Allen was a role player too, but a hell of one, Boris Diaw too. We need those guys, we can't always look for someone who maybe can get some nba accolades in the future. Josh Green in a Danny Green role ? I'll take that, low usage, high efficiency = success. O-Max, Green and a FRP or two maybe ? Sign me up.

Dallas would have to attach a bunch of salary fodder to the deal that could negate a lot of the worth of the marginal assets you're getting back.

Also, every young roleplayer that can hit the 3 isnt going to turn into Danny Green who was basically an OG level 3&D guy. For every young player that turns into Danny Green, theres like 20 others that turn into Kelly Oubre or less.....dime a dozen types with no actual asset value.

If this the type of package out there for Siakam right now, I'd rather just give him the max. I think the Pacers are still the best potential trade partner out there because they can actually give you expiring contracts (which the Mavs dont have), young players with more upside and future 1sts.

[djsunyc]

if we don't trade pascal and he signs somewhere else in free agency, we would have near $40 mil in cap space to spend before re-signing quickley. (that's also including renouncing gary). if we sign 2 rotation guys, then it's like trading pascal for those 2 rotation guys. anyways, here are some possible ufa's:

hayward
lowry
hield
joe harris
malik beasley
mcdermott
gary harris
olynyk
tht
monk
kyle anderson
house
oubre

Another to consider is Jalen Smith, who has a player option. He'd be a really nice 4/5 for us. With $40 mill, we could arguably sign Smith and Monk or something like that. That would probably be better than having money tied up in Andrew Wiggins (assuming he doesn't bounce back).

Isn't Claxton a UFA too?
24 and elite D.

If we could take back expirings and picks for Siakam, there is a path to a decent return if you can use the cap space. Personally, I have zero faith we get Monk, Smith or Claxton.

claxton is ufa but he would use up most of the space plus we already have yak. no need to put down $40-50 mil at the center spot - especially since claxton isn't a shooter.

[StopitLeo]

Honestly, if you want an elite shot creator you may as well just keep Pascal.

No, that's not what we want. We want Scottie, IQ and to a lesser extent RJ to be the ball handlers/shot creators. In exchange for Pascal, we want a propect forward who fits the timeline, and who can play defence and make shots (see sig). A version of OG who is happy with their role, in other words.

And ideally another rotation player or two, to help our depth. OG was the perfect trade. Another one like that, please.

I agree. I was saying that to the other poster who basically wants to get someone with Pascal's offensive skill back for Pascal.

In most scenarios we trade Pascal for multiple rotation pieces—where at least one is young enough that they have the potential to improve further—as well as a higher-ceiling prospect and perhaps a pick.

My priority is definitely a big 3&D wing who can play now and a forward prospect like you said. I think there are some good value packages being tossed around in discussion.

[gerrit4]

if we don't trade pascal and he signs somewhere else in free agency, we would have near $40 mil in cap space to spend before re-signing quickley. (that's also including renouncing gary). if we sign 2 rotation guys, then it's like trading pascal for those 2 rotation guys. anyways, here are some possible ufa's:

hayward
lowry
hield
joe harris
malik beasley
mcdermott
gary harris
olynyk
tht
monk
kyle anderson
house
oubre

Another to consider is Jalen Smith, who has a player option. He'd be a really nice 4/5 for us. With $40 mill, we could arguably sign Smith and Monk or something like that. That would probably be better than having money tied up in Andrew Wiggins (assuming he doesn't bounce back).

Isn't Claxton a UFA too?
24 and elite D.

If we could take back expirings and picks for Siakam, there is a path to a decent return if you can use the cap space. Personally, I have zero faith we get Monk, Smith or Claxton.

Maybe not. But we would have the cap space to "overpay" those guys and offer them more than the mid-level. We don't have a good history of signing free agents, but we do have a history of signing guys who would make less money elsewhere (which has typically blown up in our face, for what it is worth).

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[djsunyc]

I like O-Max, but his upside is a role player. Green is a generic 3&D type SG/SF. it's not a great return as it lacks one piece with enticing upside. But what do we know, maybe it's the only decent offer.

I wouldn't say that his upside is a role player just like Delon Wright has become one. Tony Allen was a role player too, but a hell of one, Boris Diaw too. We need those guys, we can't always look for someone who maybe can get some nba accolades in the future. Josh Green in a Danny Green role ? I'll take that, low usage, high efficiency = success. O-Max, Green and a FRP or two maybe ? Sign me up.

Dallas would have to attach a bunch of salary fodder to the deal that could negate a lot of the worth of the marginal assets you're getting back.

Also, every young roleplayer that can hit the 3 isnt going to turn into Danny Green who was basically an OG level 3&D guy. For every young player that turns into Danny Green, theres like 20 others that turn into Kelly Oubre or less.....dime a dozen types with no actual asset value.

If this the type of package out there for Siakam right now, I'd rather just give him the max. I think the Pacers are still the best potential trade partner out there because they can actually give you expiring contracts (which the Mavs dont have), young players with more upside and future 1sts.

this works in the trade checker

pascal (ufa)
otto (ufa)

for

thjr ($16.2)
grant ($13/$13.6/$14.2)
green ($12.6/$13.6/$14.6)
omax ($2.8/$3/$5.3 RFA/ $8.2 QO)

it can also be expanded to the following:

pascal (ufa)
otto (ufa)
boucher ($10.8)

for

thjr ($16.2)
grant ($13/$13.6/$14.2)
green ($12.6/$13.6/$14.6)
omax ($2.8/$3/$5.3 RFA/ $8.2 QO)
holmes ($12.9)

[dTox]

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If this is indeed true, then all those picks/prospect wish lists we have created can be thrown out the trash, and that crappy Harrison Barnes trade package is probably a more realistic scenario (unless we just extend Siakam).

[ForeverTFC]

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If this is indeed true, then all those picks/prospect wish lists we have created can be thrown out the trash, and that crappy Harrison Barnes trade package is probably a more realistic scenario (unless we just extend Siakam).

If he's willing to extend, just extend him and trade him next year.

Honestly doesn't make any sense. I'm assuming these teams are going to give him his max. Why re-sign with Toronto if you know you're going to get traded in the off-season instead of having a say during this deadline on where you end up? Is the price the 5th year?

[alan_156]

You either trade him or extend him. In no situation can you let him test free agency. Hope we learned from the fvv situation.

[Zeno]

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If this is indeed true, then all those picks/prospect wish lists we have created can be thrown out the trash, and that crappy Harrison Barnes trade package is probably a more realistic scenario (unless we just extend Siakam).

Even if this is true, taking on long term salary like Barnes, Huerter should be worth more than a single 1st. Salary dump of 30-40 plus million over 3 years should get a baseline of two 1sts. Then you throw in the Pascal rental and the value of the possibility he resigns on top.

[RINSE]

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And he’s well within his rights to do so