Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 2

[Bruin]

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[OakleyDokely]

Hield, Toppin, Smith, Nembhard and a pick ain't getting it done. They're the SAC of the east when it comes to offers.

[WuTang_CMB]

Buzz in the NBA circulates through front offices, scouts, agents, staff, media and many other sources. A pattern can start to form, and that's the case with Pascal Siakam and the Toronto Raptors.

The time is near, per multiple accounts, when the Raptors won't reinvest in the 29-year-old forward. And since he's in the last year of his deal, they don't want to lose him without a return like with Fred VanVleet, who went to the Houston Rockets as an unrestricted free agent.

According to sources, the Raptors are looking for a return similar to what they got from the New York Knicks for OG Anunoby (RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley)—young players who can fit around Scottie Barnes.

Thus far, the challenge is that Siakam is believed to be expecting a maximum contract this offseason (which projects to start at $42.6 million). That has apparently scared off suitors like the Sacramento Kings and Indiana Pacers.

The Kings do not appear willing to part with Keegan Murray to pay Siakam at that price. Similarly, the Pacers have enough cap room to wait until July to sign Siakam without giving up Bennedict Mathurin or Jarace Walker. Even if he doesn't choose them in free agency, they can chase someone younger (assuming they don't pivot and trade for a suitable forward before then).

Siakam may land elsewhere in the end, with some pointing to the Golden State Warriors as a real option. The buzz all year has the Warriors minding their budget, but the team is struggling and still wants to keep the Steph Curry era competitive.

With Chris Paul's expiring contract (technically $30 million non-guaranteed for 2024-25) and pieces like Jonathan Kuminga and Moses Moody, the Warriors could make a credible run at Siakam. Golden State is high on rookie Brandin Podziemski, so leave him out of "fake trades," per one source.

Pacers arent signing him outright.

[Rapsfan07]

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Okay, bench him for the remainder of the year to reduce his market value during the offseason and allow the team to focus on development.

It just doesn't make any sense. Is it personal between him and management? Why does he want to stay somewhere where he's not wanted?

Okay, at this point its either:

1) There is some serious beef between him and management

OR

2) He knows that other teams are not going to give him the 5th year.

It's the only way I can make sense of this. The Raptors are not that great of a team, from a personal or basketball standpoint and any other team that obtains him via trade can also offer the very same 5th year we can. So he's that serious about getting his 5th year (which is completely fine), why not offer a list of teams with which he is willing to re-sign? That way, both him and the team can move on from this mess.

Instead, he remains adamant that he wants to re-up here. Why? As I said earlier, we can't possibly be that great. We've been shopping him on and off for the better part of a year now and it's clear that the team is headed in a different direction so what's the issue? Why make this a bigger deal than it needs to be?

I think he knows that other teams will not give him the 5th year and Masai can't afford to have him walk for nothing. So if he wants a 5th year, his best chance of getting it is here.

But as I and others have said repeatedly - this is on Ujiri. You would think that after taking back garbage for Lowry and losing an All-Star for nothing, he would have learned to not do this. But for some reason, he seems insistent on doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result. This is part of my issue with him as a leader - just very slow man.

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Nesmith is the guy.
Locked in on a dirt cheap contract.
Perfect replacement for OG.

Pacers also have a bunch of young bigs with tons of upside that they can add to round out the proposal.

[ash_k]

I would accept Lively + Green + Kleber + Holmes without no particular excitement.
We did that

“..there are absolutely people in Dallas who really think Pascal is a missing piece that could potentially pair with Luka [Doncic] and Kyrie Irving and all of a sudden you look up and the…

I am still hoping for CHI and Pat Williams + Ayo(or Caruso)+ Ball + pick then no more Scottie as the primary perimeter Wing defender.

[HumbleRen]

This is such a funny outcome lol.

If you never wanted to extend him, why keep him in the summer. In what world did you expect Siakam’s value to increase as the deadline got nearer.

[Rapsfan07]

Hield, Toppin, Smith, Nembhard and a pick ain't getting it done. They're the SAC of the east when it comes to offers.

That's MILES better than what the Kings were offering. Like, incomprehensibly better.

[OakleyDokely]

Hield, Toppin, Smith, Nembhard and a pick ain't getting it done. They're the SAC of the east when it comes to offers.

That's MILES better than what the Kings were offering. Like, incomprehensibly better.

Getting a backup pg and a late pick isn't all that exciting.

I think I'd rather just take a chance on a kings unprotected pick.

[Spates]

This is such a funny outcome lol.

If you never wanted to extend him, why keep him in the summer. In what world did you expect Siakam’s value to increase as the deadline got nearer.

Same could be said about OG and look how that turned out.

[TheRealDeal]

I don’t see Pascal leaving whichever team trade for him. I don’t think he has that in him

[Nebuchadnezzar]

I would accept Lively + Green + Kleber + Holmes without no particular excitement.
We did that

“..there are absolutely people in Dallas who really think Pascal is a missing piece that could potentially pair with Luka [Doncic] and Kyrie Irving and all of a sudden you look up and the…

I am still hoping for CHI and Pat Williams + Ayo(or Caruso)+ Ball + pick then no more Scottie as the primary perimeter Wing defender.

There is nothing wrong with Scottie being the primary wing defender. Scottie is an elite all around player, with all NBA potential. He does not have the chops to the primary scorer on the team, so he needs to be the anchor on defence. Let Quickley and Siakam take the scoring load.

[tecumseh18]

Hield, Toppin, Smith, Nembhard and a pick ain't getting it done. They're the SAC of the east when it comes to offers.

Depends what you think of Smith (shooting 46% from 3). And I think we all hold Nembhard in high regard. Toppin is useful off the bench or as a spot starter. And Hield is Hield, which is great if the Raps are still trying to get into the playoffs with this newfound depth. Maybe we sign him and let Gary walk in the summer.

Obviously, we all want either Walker or Nesmith. But that proposal is far from the worst I've seen. Much, much better than the Kings offer - which just clogs up the cap with mid players for the next three years.

[Rapsfan07]

Buzz in the NBA circulates through front offices, scouts, agents, staff, media and many other sources. A pattern can start to form, and that's the case with Pascal Siakam and the Toronto Raptors.

The time is near, per multiple accounts, when the Raptors won't reinvest in the 29-year-old forward. And since he's in the last year of his deal, they don't want to lose him without a return like with Fred VanVleet, who went to the Houston Rockets as an unrestricted free agent.

According to sources, the Raptors are looking for a return similar to what they got from the New York Knicks for OG Anunoby (RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley)—young players who can fit around Scottie Barnes.

Thus far, the challenge is that Siakam is believed to be expecting a maximum contract this offseason (which projects to start at $42.6 million). That has apparently scared off suitors like the Sacramento Kings and Indiana Pacers.

The Kings do not appear willing to part with Keegan Murray to pay Siakam at that price. Similarly, the Pacers have enough cap room to wait until July to sign Siakam without giving up Bennedict Mathurin or Jarace Walker. Even if he doesn't choose them in free agency, they can chase someone younger (assuming they don't pivot and trade for a suitable forward before then).

Siakam may land elsewhere in the end, with some pointing to the Golden State Warriors as a real option. The buzz all year has the Warriors minding their budget, but the team is struggling and still wants to keep the Steph Curry era competitive.

With Chris Paul's expiring contract (technically $30 million non-guaranteed for 2024-25) and pieces like Jonathan Kuminga and Moses Moody, the Warriors could make a credible run at Siakam. Golden State is high on rookie Brandin Podziemski, so leave him out of "fake trades," per one source.

Pacers arent signing him outright.

Pacers can't sign him outright. They'd have to renounce a lot of their depth in order to do so and don't have the room or tools to replace them.

But at the same time, I wouldn't want to trade Mathurin or Walker if I don't know if this guy is going to re-sign with me or not. I think he's worth at least one of those guys in vacuum but as I said in a previous post - I don't think Siakam is worth to the open market what he thinks he is. Whether that's a matter of dollars or years or both, there seems to be some disconnect there or else there really shouldn't be a problem paying a max player max dollars.

Either prospective teams think he's not worth the max or he's not worth the years or both.

[Rapsfan07]

I would accept Lively + Green + Kleber + Holmes without no particular excitement.
We did that

“..there are absolutely people in Dallas who really think Pascal is a missing piece that could potentially pair with Luka [Doncic] and Kyrie Irving and all of a sudden you look up and the…

I am still hoping for CHI and Pat Williams + Ayo(or Caruso)+ Ball + pick then no more Scottie as the primary perimeter Wing defender.

This is not a bad return actually, all things considered.

But I have no idea what the Bulls are doing.

[Zeno]

This is such a funny outcome lol.

If you never wanted to extend him, why keep him in the summer. In what world did you expect Siakam’s value to increase as the deadline got nearer.

Same could be said about OG and look how that turned out.

I think it is possible that they believe the reason to wait has nothing to do with the total value of the return going up or down, but in figuring out what would be most valuable around Scottie.

[ash_k]

I would accept Lively + Green + Kleber + Holmes without no particular excitement.
We did that

“..there are absolutely people in Dallas who really think Pascal is a missing piece that could potentially pair with Luka [Doncic] and Kyrie Irving and all of a sudden you look up and the…

I am still hoping for CHI and Pat Williams + Ayo(or Caruso)+ Ball + pick then no more Scottie as the primary perimeter Wing defender.

There is nothing wrong with Scottie being the primary wing defender. Scottie is an elite all around player, with all NBA potential. He does not have the chops to the primary scorer on the team, so he needs to be the anchor on defence. Let Quickley and Siakam take the scoring load.

He just looks better as a Giannis type of defender. However we have seen Giannis asking to defend the KDs or even the Butlers in the playoffs.

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Nesmith is the guy.
Locked in on a dirt cheap contract.
Perfect replacement for OG.

Pacers also have a bunch of young bigs with tons of upside that they can add to round out the proposal.

it's either walker or neismith + either or I am happy at the end of the day.

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If this is indeed true, then all those picks/prospect wish lists we have created can be thrown out the trash, and that crappy Harrison Barnes trade package is probably a more realistic scenario (unless we just extend Siakam).

If he's willing to extend, just extend him and trade him next year.

Honestly doesn't make any sense. I'm assuming these teams are going to give him his max. Why re-sign with Toronto if you know you're going to get traded in the off-season instead of having a say during this deadline on where you end up? Is the price the 5th year?

This is exactly it. Teams and agents are telling players sign for the max now and we can work out a trade later. He’ll be able to dictate where he goes if the Raptors are willing to give him that 5th year. Can’t put the blame all on Siakam, the front office made this mess. Should have sent him packing last season. Let’s see what happens now. I predict he walks anyways if we don’t offer the 5th year and we’re left holding our dicks.

[ash_k]

I would accept Lively + Green + Kleber + Holmes without no particular excitement.
We did that

“..there are absolutely people in Dallas who really think Pascal is a missing piece that could potentially pair with Luka [Doncic] and Kyrie Irving and all of a sudden you look up and the…

I am still hoping for CHI and Pat Williams + Ayo(or Caruso)+ Ball + pick then no more Scottie as the primary perimeter Wing defender.

This is not a bad return actually, all things considered.

But I have no idea what the Bulls are doing.

Both Vuc and Zach are on multi-year contracts. Outside of the Lakers, who can really afford to take Lavine?
If the Lakers don't bite then CHI might as well go all-in with 4 All-stars and Coby White.