Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 3.0

[IceColdCubano]

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Barry has spoke, not sure how aggressive Miami will end up being for Murray but no one has reached the asking price. Jovic and a 1st asset wise will compete with anything the Hawks get offered.

Stop trading my Jovic

Kid is going to take a huge leap, he'll be as valuable as the ~20th best PG soon enough

I’m just trying to win a championship brother!!

A serious question, when was the last time a player in the second tier category was traded mid season that was the reason for a team winning a championship that year or the following?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

By preference :

1A Rozier
1B Sexton


3. Tyus
4. Schroder
5. Murray

You’re just hating at this point

[MettaWorldPanda]

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A hypothetical deal with the Spurs of McDermott, Graham(both expiring) and giving back the Hawks 2 1st seems a lot more realistic. Hawks are trying to shed salary not take on Duncan's 19.4 next year.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Stop trading my Jovic

Kid is going to take a huge leap, he'll be as valuable as the ~20th best PG soon enough

I’m just trying to win a championship brother!!

A serious question, when was the last time a player in the second tier category was traded mid season that was the reason for a team winning a championship that year or the following?

I’m not sure but I watched the Celtics at .500 trade for Derrick White a few seasons ago and March straight to the NBA finals right after where they pushed the Warriors to 6.

When’s the last time a team on the cusp of winning a championship in 3 out of the last 4 seasons shed dead weight and replaced it with someone who fills a massive hole and fits the team perfectly who is an all star level and all nba defense level player?

There are several ways we could look at this.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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A hypothetical deal with the Spurs of McDermott, Graham(both expiring) and giving back the Hawks 2 1st seems a lot more realistic. Hawks are trying to shed salary not take on Duncan's 19.4 next year.

Spurs picks have potential to be so good they might not even have 1 on the table let alone 2. Time will tell!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Thursday will mark 3 weeks until the trade deadline. That’s pretty wild, this season has flown by for me. Maybe because I’m not as emotionally invested after another horrible offseason but I’m back in full force just in time to be crushed at the deadline and step away again

[MettaWorldPanda]

The value concept of Schroder makes too much sense for me. Even more so then getting Tyus Jones who's going to be a free agent next year and no guarantees he's going to resign for a value figure. Getting Schroder and his small figure of 13 million puts us in a good spot. He'd be a great expiring piece to put in play for Mitchell with Herro next year. If anything we at least go into next year not having to worry about the starting PG spot and can go aggressively in the draft looking for a young PG to put behind him.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If we talk about Tyus and Jimmys relationship we also can’t disregard that Jimmy is very high on Murray as well

[RexBoyWonder]

I’m just trying to win a championship brother!!

A serious question, when was the last time a player in the second tier category was traded mid season that was the reason for a team winning a championship that year or the following?

I’m not sure but I watched the Celtics at .500 trade for Derrick White a few seasons ago and March straight to the NBA finals right after where they pushed the Warriors to 6.

When’s the last time a team on the cusp of winning a championship in 3 out of the last 4 seasons shed dead weight and replaced it with someone who fills a massive hole and fits the team perfectly who is an all star level and all nba defense level player?

There are several ways we could look at this.

I think most of us would agree that staying passive and not upgrading our guard rotation would be pure neglection and unacceptable.

We owe it to Jimmy and to ourselves. The hole at PG is too obvious

The only question is how do we get rid of Lowry and get a good guard not named Murray.

[IceColdCubano]

I’m just trying to win a championship brother!!

A serious question, when was the last time a player in the second tier category was traded mid season that was the reason for a team winning a championship that year or the following?

I’m not sure but I watched the Celtics at .500 trade for Derrick White a few seasons ago and March straight to the NBA finals right after where they pushed the Warriors to 6.

When’s the last time a team on the cusp of winning a championship in 3 out of the last 4 seasons shed dead weight and replaced it with someone who fills a massive hole and fits the team perfectly who is an all star level and all nba defense level player?

There are several ways we could look at this.

I knew the answer to that question cause it was brought up last year.
In the middle of the 1988-89 season, the Detroit Pistons traded Adrian Dantley to the Dallas Mavericks for Mark Aguirre. The move helped Detroit finally capture a championship in 1989 after losing in the conference finals in 1987 and the finals in 1988.

Outside of that only 4 other teams have been able to capture the magic but required a Premier player tier 1 level all before 3 of those teams did prior to 1988 and the only other team were the Toronto Raptors acquiring Kawai Leonard.

Derrick white still didn't get them a chip, and we were one 3 point shot from making the Boston celtic's our Sons for a 4 playoff seasons in a row.

Nothing is guaranteed, and mid season trade tells us chances are slim different makers, 99.9% of teams win due to the talent at hand or talent had during the offseason. Look how much better Love looks here after signing mid season last year during the buyout. These guys need time to gel together.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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A hypothetical deal with the Spurs of McDermott, Graham(both expiring) and giving back the Hawks 2 1st seems a lot more realistic. Hawks are trying to shed salary not take on Duncan's 19.4 next year.

Spurs picks have potential to be so good they might not even have 1 on the table let alone 2. Time will tell!

They don't have to cough up their picks. They can just give the Hawks back there own they gave up in the original deal.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The value concept of Schroder makes too much sense for me. Even more so then getting Tyus Jones who's going to be a free agent next year and no guarantees he's going to resign for a value figure. Getting Schroder and his small figure of 13 million puts us in a good spot. He'd be a great expiring piece to put in play for Mitchell with Herro next year. If anything we at least go into next year not having to worry about the starting PG spot and can go aggressively in the draft looking for a young PG to put behind him.

When the “watChOut special” trade listed above happens and we take Schroder and Herro next season and trade for Mitchell that will be the final move in place to finally put us over the top as the 2025 nba champions.

Murray
Mitchell
Jimmy
Highsmith or JJJ
Bam

Do NOT shoot the messenger.

[MettaWorldPanda]

If we talk about Tyus and Jimmys relationship we also can’t disregard that Jimmy is very high on Murray as well

The price between Tyus and Murray is not even comparable. Tyus is going to be a lot easier to get. Murray is going to be a bidding war that's only going to end up in heart break

[IceColdCubano]

A serious question, when was the last time a player in the second tier category was traded mid season that was the reason for a team winning a championship that year or the following?

I’m not sure but I watched the Celtics at .500 trade for Derrick White a few seasons ago and March straight to the NBA finals right after where they pushed the Warriors to 6.

When’s the last time a team on the cusp of winning a championship in 3 out of the last 4 seasons shed dead weight and replaced it with someone who fills a massive hole and fits the team perfectly who is an all star level and all nba defense level player?

There are several ways we could look at this.

I think most of us would agree that staying passive and not upgrading our guard rotation would be pure neglection and unacceptable.

We owe it to Jimmy and to ourselves. The hole at PG is too obvious

The only question is how do we get rid of Lowry and get a good guard not named Murray.

I absolute agree as a fan, I see it as negletfull, hell the last couple offseasons, not getting Jimmy a scoring running mate is negletfull as hell. I just see them playing the odds, and percentages on big decisions, basically do you throw some picks, and expiring contracts on the table at a 0.00001% of winning it all or do you run with what you got, save the picks and the expirings and pounce on a big fish when available. Thats what they have done to date, for me to see them do something else its like their whole mantra of going all in or nothing at all, no in between.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

A serious question, when was the last time a player in the second tier category was traded mid season that was the reason for a team winning a championship that year or the following?

I’m not sure but I watched the Celtics at .500 trade for Derrick White a few seasons ago and March straight to the NBA finals right after where they pushed the Warriors to 6.

When’s the last time a team on the cusp of winning a championship in 3 out of the last 4 seasons shed dead weight and replaced it with someone who fills a massive hole and fits the team perfectly who is an all star level and all nba defense level player?

There are several ways we could look at this.

I knew the answer to that question cause it was brought up last year.
In the middle of the 1988-89 season, the Detroit Pistons traded Adrian Dantley to the Dallas Mavericks for Mark Aguirre. The move helped Detroit finally capture a championship in 1989 after losing in the conference finals in 1987 and the finals in 1988.

Outside of that only 4 other teams have been able to capture the magic but required a Premier player tier 1 level all before 3 of those teams did prior to 1988 and the only other team were the Toronto Raptors acquiring Kawai Leonard.

Derrick white still didn't get them a chip, and we were one 3 point shot from making the Boston celtic's our Sons for a 4 playoff seasons in a row.

Nothing is guaranteed, and mid season trade tells us chances are slim different makers, 99.9% of teams win due to the talent at hand or talent had during the offseason. Look how much better Love looks here after signing mid season last year during the buyout. These guys need time to gel together.

That teams prior success before the trade sounds ALOT like the Heat, im just saying brother!!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

A serious question, when was the last time a player in the second tier category was traded mid season that was the reason for a team winning a championship that year or the following?

I’m not sure but I watched the Celtics at .500 trade for Derrick White a few seasons ago and March straight to the NBA finals right after where they pushed the Warriors to 6.

When’s the last time a team on the cusp of winning a championship in 3 out of the last 4 seasons shed dead weight and replaced it with someone who fills a massive hole and fits the team perfectly who is an all star level and all nba defense level player?

There are several ways we could look at this.

I think most of us would agree that staying passive and not upgrading our guard rotation would be pure neglection and unacceptable.

We owe it to Jimmy and to ourselves. The hole at PG is too obvious

The only question is how do we get rid of Lowry and get a good guard not named Murray.

Disregarding the last part of your statement I agree, it would be complete negligence and would tell everyone they’re not serious about winning. For the first time in awhile I feel like there is literally no way we don’t make some kind of move to try and improve the roster at the deadline.

I mean we’re injuries away from being the 2nd seed right now and that’s with glaring holes in the roster

[3ammy3uck3ts]

A hypothetical deal with the Spurs of McDermott, Graham(both expiring) and giving back the Hawks 2 1st seems a lot more realistic. Hawks are trying to shed salary not take on Duncan's 19.4 next year.

Spurs picks have potential to be so good they might not even have 1 on the table let alone 2. Time will tell!

They don't have to cough up their picks. They can just give the Hawks back there own they gave up in the original deal.

Maybe but do they even do that? Those picks are highly valuable too. I could see them adding 1.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If we talk about Tyus and Jimmys relationship we also can’t disregard that Jimmy is very high on Murray as well

The price between Tyus and Murray is not even comparable. Tyus is going to be a lot easier to get. Murray is going to be a bidding war that's only going to end up in heart break

Maybe but Murray is worth the extra price. I mean Tyus is going to cost you a 1st likely as well, might as well add another or Jovic for the much better player

[3ammy3uck3ts]

There’s likely to be somewhat of a bidding war for all of these players, they’re all good and can all help a team. At some point we have to be the team that finally says fuxk it and offers up a little more to get something done. Maybe everyone offers up a 1st and we go the extra mile and offer up Jovic and/or a 2nd or another 1st depending on the player but we’re not just going to be handed one of these guys. You have to give to get and you have to beat other offers as well. That’s just the way it is!

[MettaWorldPanda]

Spurs picks have potential to be so good they might not even have 1 on the table let alone 2. Time will tell!

They don't have to cough up their picks. They can just give the Hawks back there own they gave up in the original deal.

Maybe but do they even do that? Those picks are highly valuable too. I could see them adding 1.

They would probably take the one in 2027 and the rights to a pick swap back if it means not having to take on Duncan's contract. The don't need Jovic when they already have Jalen Johnson and Bey.