Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 2

[OakleyDokely]

Hield, Toppin, Smith, Nembhard and a pick ain't getting it done. They're the SAC of the east when it comes to offers.

Depends what you think of Smith (shooting 46% from 3). And I think we all hold Nembhard in high regard. Toppin is useful off the bench or as a spot starter. And Hield is Hield, which is great if the Raps are still trying to get into the playoffs with this newfound depth. Maybe we sign him and let Gary walk in the summer.

Obviously, we all want either Walker or Nesmith. But that proposal is far from the worst I've seen. Much, much better than the Kings offer - which just clogs up the cap with mid players for the next three years.

Hield's a FA, so he's probably a goner.

Jalen Smith has a player option which he will likely decline and he becomes a FA as well. I'm not sure he's a guy you want to invest big money into.

Toppin is decent depth big and Nembhard's a good player, but he's probably best in the role of a backup guard.

Very little actual upside with a deal like this.

[HumbleRen]

This is such a funny outcome lol.

If you never wanted to extend him, why keep him in the summer. In what world did you expect Siakam’s value to increase as the deadline got nearer.

Same could be said about OG and look how that turned out.

The league has been telling us they valued OG more than Siakam for the last 2 years. Plus his contract is way easier to move on top of his camp being willing to play ball with the FO.

[StopitLeo]

The Mavs aren't anywhere close to being contenders....they are the same level of team as the Pacers. Their desperation level might be higher but they dont actually have tradeable assets of much value.

The Mavs are close in the sense that they have an MVP-calibre player on the roster, which I think is necessary to be a legit contender. Desperation is a great word to describe their situation.

Their tradable assets aren't the most exciting. But let's say we know Pascal isn't going to re-sign with the Raptors, do the Mavs have enough to make trading him better than letting him walk?

- Grant Williams and Josh Green have some similarities. Both are shooting 37% from deep but shot even better in the previous two seasons. Williams is a better and more versatile defensive player but Green is an active defender and pretty good in his own right. Williams seems to know his role well but Green still hasn't quite put things together on either side of the ball. They are both on good contracts for the next 3 years and can be rotation players right away.
- Tim Hardaway Jr. is like an older GTJ, right? He has one more year on his contract and could be a depth piece a contender looks to pick up.
- Jaden Hardy is like a younger THJr, right? A cheap prospect that could become a role player.
- Olivier-Maxence Prosper was the 24th overall pick in the last draft. Good size and potential on the defensive end. Shooting and ball-handling are in development. He's Canadian, yay.
-The only tradable 1st round pick is 2027. Maybe not horrible if you consider Luka might be gone at that point.

Williams, Green, THJr, OMax (and/or Hardy), 2027 FRP is probably better than anything we'd get in a S&T and provides a decent mix of rotational depth and prospects.

[Rapsfan07]

I would accept Lively + Green + Kleber + Holmes without no particular excitement.
We did that


I am still hoping for CHI and Pat Williams + Ayo(or Caruso)+ Ball + pick then no more Scottie as the primary perimeter Wing defender.

This is not a bad return actually, all things considered.

But I have no idea what the Bulls are doing.

Both Vuc and Zach are on multi-year contracts. Outside of the Lakers, who can really afford to take Lavine?
If the Lakers don't bite then CHI might as well go all-in with 4 All-stars and Coby White.

I think the Nets, also another team that is more or less directionless at the moment, could take Lavine for something around the Simmons contract. But that's neither here nor there.

Interestingly, I think Vooch, Siakam & Lavine could be a really good team. Not sure what's happening with DeRozan though. I doubt he's back with the Bulls next year so maybe they deal him?

[Spates]

This is such a funny outcome lol.

If you never wanted to extend him, why keep him in the summer. In what world did you expect Siakam’s value to increase as the deadline got nearer.

Same could be said about OG and look how that turned out.

I think it is possible that they believe the reason to wait has nothing to do with the total value of the return going up or down, but in figuring out what would be most valuable around Scottie.

Possibly. Particularly with a new coach and desired style of play. I imagine they have an extensive list of offers they're willing to accept and are letting the market play out and determine his value.

Playing under such conditions must be tiring for everyone though.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

This is not a bad return actually, all things considered.

But I have no idea what the Bulls are doing.

Both Vuc and Zach are on multi-year contracts. Outside of the Lakers, who can really afford to take Lavine?
If the Lakers don't bite then CHI might as well go all-in with 4 All-stars and Coby White.

I think the Nets, also another team that is more or less directionless at the moment, could take Lavine for something around the Simmons contract. But that's neither here nor there.

Interestingly, I think Vooch, Siakam & Lavine could be a really good team. Not sure what's happening with DeRozan though. I doubt he's back with the Bulls next year so maybe they deal him?

If you think Pascal could be good with Lavine and Vuch, why not just bring em here?

GTJ, OPJ, Thad, Boucher, Temple, McDaniels gets it done.

[MiamiSPX]

The Mavs aren't anywhere close to being contenders....they are the same level of team as the Pacers. Their desperation level might be higher but they dont actually have tradeable assets of much value.

The Mavs are close in the sense that they have an MVP-calibre player on the roster, which I think is necessary to be a legit contender. Desperation is a great word to describe their situation.

I would also add that Irving has been on his best behaviour and you just know that is not going to last. Your superstar is having his best season and you have admitted you're on the clock with him....the time to strike is now.

[mdenny]

Okay, bench him for the remainder of the year to reduce his market value during the offseason and allow the team to focus on development.

It just doesn't make any sense. Is it personal between him and management? Why does he want to stay somewhere where he's not wanted?

Okay, at this point its either:

1) There is some serious beef between him and management

OR

2) He knows that other teams are not going to give him the 5th year.

It's the only way I can make sense of this. The Raptors are not that great of a team, from a personal or basketball standpoint and any other team that obtains him via trade can also offer the very same 5th year we can. So he's that serious about getting his 5th year (which is completely fine), why not offer a list of teams with which he is willing to re-sign? That way, both him and the team can move on from this mess.

Instead, he remains adamant that he wants to re-up here. Why? As I said earlier, we can't possibly be that great. We've been shopping him on and off for the better part of a year now and it's clear that the team is headed in a different direction so what's the issue? Why make this a bigger deal than it needs to be?

I think he knows that other teams will not give him the 5th year and Masai can't afford to have him walk for nothing. So if he wants a 5th year, his best chance of getting it is here.

But as I and others have said repeatedly - this is on Ujiri. You would think that after taking back garbage for Lowry and losing an All-Star for nothing, he would have learned to not do this. But for some reason, he seems insistent on doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result. This is part of my issue with him as a leader - just very slow man.

There is a plausible explanation though: Pascal is going to Philly.

If true, it makes it all make sense. Philly's not gonna trade for him because they can sign him outright in the summer. Pascal is not gonna lie to a team and say he will resign because he's already made up his mind in going to Philly. So that means he's a rental for any other team.

[TorontoBarneys]

Okay, bench him for the remainder of the year to reduce his market value during the offseason and allow the team to focus on development.

Great taste in avatar!

[Nebuchadnezzar]

It just doesn't make any sense. Is it personal between him and management? Why does he want to stay somewhere where he's not wanted?

Okay, at this point its either:

1) There is some serious beef between him and management

OR

2) He knows that other teams are not going to give him the 5th year.

It's the only way I can make sense of this. The Raptors are not that great of a team, from a personal or basketball standpoint and any other team that obtains him via trade can also offer the very same 5th year we can. So he's that serious about getting his 5th year (which is completely fine), why not offer a list of teams with which he is willing to re-sign? That way, both him and the team can move on from this mess.

Instead, he remains adamant that he wants to re-up here. Why? As I said earlier, we can't possibly be that great. We've been shopping him on and off for the better part of a year now and it's clear that the team is headed in a different direction so what's the issue? Why make this a bigger deal than it needs to be?

I think he knows that other teams will not give him the 5th year and Masai can't afford to have him walk for nothing. So if he wants a 5th year, his best chance of getting it is here.

But as I and others have said repeatedly - this is on Ujiri. You would think that after taking back garbage for Lowry and losing an All-Star for nothing, he would have learned to not do this. But for some reason, he seems insistent on doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result. This is part of my issue with him as a leader - just very slow man.

There is a plausible explanation though: Pascal is going to Philly.

If true, it makes it all make sense. Philly's not gonna trade for him because they can sign him outright in the summer. Pascal is not gonna lie to a team and say he will resign because he's already made up his mind in going to Philly. So that means he's a rental for any other team.

Or maybe we've been burned so many times by players leaving that collectively folks are having a hard time believing that he wants to be here. There are plenty of players that sign with teams with so so records, because they are great organizations that we always bounce back. We are one of those organizations. So maybe take the fact he wants to be here at face value........

[ash_k]

This is not a bad return actually, all things considered.

But I have no idea what the Bulls are doing.

Both Vuc and Zach are on multi-year contracts. Outside of the Lakers, who can really afford to take Lavine?
If the Lakers don't bite then CHI might as well go all-in with 4 All-stars and Coby White.

I think the Nets, also another team that is more or less directionless at the moment, could take Lavine for something around the Simmons contract. But that's neither here nor there.

Interestingly, I think Vooch, Siakam & Lavine could be a really good team. Not sure what's happening with DeRozan though. I doubt he's back with the Bulls next year so maybe they deal him?

It looks like Ben is headed to another back surgery unfortunately.
For one season, after seeing Miami last season, Vuc, Pascal, DD and Zach with Coby on fire these days: The talent would be there.
Then if there is a good playoff run, then run it back.
It would make sense for the Bulls and Donovan has moved around Pat Williams a bit too much and has basically lost him. imo

[LoveMyRaps]

Trade is gonna come out of nowhere. Could drop literally any second.

[ArthurVandelay]

This explains it perfectly

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[Brinbe]

Already tired of this headache and certainly have no interest kicking this can further into next season and possibly beyond. Respect to Pascal for all his efforts in his time here but it's time to move on.

Trade him and get on with the future of this team.

[MiamiSPX]

Already tired of this headache and certainly have no interest kicking this can further into next season and possibly beyond. Respect to Pascal for all his efforts in his time here but it's time to move on.

Trade him and get on with the future of this team.

[tecumseh18]

Hield, Toppin, Smith, Nembhard and a pick ain't getting it done. They're the SAC of the east when it comes to offers.

Depends what you think of Smith (shooting 46% from 3). And I think we all hold Nembhard in high regard. Toppin is useful off the bench or as a spot starter. And Hield is Hield, which is great if the Raps are still trying to get into the playoffs with this newfound depth. Maybe we sign him and let Gary walk in the summer.

Obviously, we all want either Walker or Nesmith. But that proposal is far from the worst I've seen. Much, much better than the Kings offer - which just clogs up the cap with mid players for the next three years.

Hield's a FA, so he's probably a goner.

Jalen Smith has a player option which he will likely decline and he becomes a FA as well. I'm not sure he's a guy you want to invest big money into.

Toppin is decent depth big and Nembhard's a good player, but he's probably best in the role of a backup guard.

Very little actual upside with a deal like this.

Fair enough, I hadn't checked Smith's contract. I assumed he was RFA, which would be fine.

No, after losing OG, Pascal and Precious, Raptors need at least one - or ideally two - forwards back in this trade who are sure to be here next season, at least.

[ArthurVandelay]

It just doesn't make any sense. Is it personal between him and management? Why does he want to stay somewhere where he's not wanted?

Okay, at this point its either:

1) There is some serious beef between him and management

OR

2) He knows that other teams are not going to give him the 5th year.

It's the only way I can make sense of this. The Raptors are not that great of a team, from a personal or basketball standpoint and any other team that obtains him via trade can also offer the very same 5th year we can. So he's that serious about getting his 5th year (which is completely fine), why not offer a list of teams with which he is willing to re-sign? That way, both him and the team can move on from this mess.

Instead, he remains adamant that he wants to re-up here. Why? As I said earlier, we can't possibly be that great. We've been shopping him on and off for the better part of a year now and it's clear that the team is headed in a different direction so what's the issue? Why make this a bigger deal than it needs to be?

I think he knows that other teams will not give him the 5th year and Masai can't afford to have him walk for nothing. So if he wants a 5th year, his best chance of getting it is here.

But as I and others have said repeatedly - this is on Ujiri. You would think that after taking back garbage for Lowry and losing an All-Star for nothing, he would have learned to not do this. But for some reason, he seems insistent on doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result. This is part of my issue with him as a leader - just very slow man.

There is a plausible explanation though: Pascal is going to Philly.

If true, it makes it all make sense. Philly's not gonna trade for him because they can sign him outright in the summer. Pascal is not gonna lie to a team and say he will resign because he's already made up his mind in going to Philly. So that means he's a rental for any other team.

I think the most plausible scenario is Pascal is angling for a 5 year max or near max 5 year contract this summer. It’s all about the 5th year. Whoever offers it will get him. He’s going to ransom Toronto or whoever holds his Bird Rights to get it with the threat of leaving for nothing, using Philly as leverage as long as they keep cap space available. He’s going to the top bidder. He might be willing to negotiate more with Dallas (4 vs 5 years and salary) because of taxes, climate, and family, but end of day, he goes to top bidder.

Personally I can’t wait until he’s gone. Pascal cares about Pascal, it is evident in his play. I care about the Raptors. Our priorities are in conflict. **** him at this point.

[OakleyDokely]

Depends what you think of Smith (shooting 46% from 3). And I think we all hold Nembhard in high regard. Toppin is useful off the bench or as a spot starter. And Hield is Hield, which is great if the Raps are still trying to get into the playoffs with this newfound depth. Maybe we sign him and let Gary walk in the summer.

Obviously, we all want either Walker or Nesmith. But that proposal is far from the worst I've seen. Much, much better than the Kings offer - which just clogs up the cap with mid players for the next three years.

Hield's a FA, so he's probably a goner.

Jalen Smith has a player option which he will likely decline and he becomes a FA as well. I'm not sure he's a guy you want to invest big money into.

Toppin is decent depth big and Nembhard's a good player, but he's probably best in the role of a backup guard.

Very little actual upside with a deal like this.

Fair enough, I hadn't checked Smith's contract. I assumed he was RFA, which would be fine.

No, after losing OG, Pascal and Precious, Raptors need at least one - or ideally two - forwards back in this trade who are sure to be here next season, at least.

If we're only getting low upside assets back in the deal, I'd try to shoot for a pick in the future, maybe one with minimal protections on it. Not sure if that's possible or not.

[hyper316]

you want some POA defenders via Siakam trade?

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Keon Ellis from the Kings come on down

Any of those 10 players would look good on our team

[OakleyDokely]

Magic going to come out of nowhere and acquire Siakam so they can dress the all 6'9 lineup

Carter Jr, Banchero, Siakam, Wagner + a guard.