Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread

[RookieStar]

Sooo... asking price for Murray is only 2 FRP? We got that.

Would the Hawks really trade within the division?
What's up with the beed between PB and him?

I'm just as intrigued about Murray's relationship with Trae, because they don't seem close at all

Does this mean DJm can't get along with anybody? lol

[CarraT]

t-mac come on...better chance he could turn into poole ...does not mean you have to overpay thats way more then simons value..would hold assets for better fit...a 2-way player
playing goga and black with franz not hitting his 3s is whats making spacing bad
and yes i would take 2 suggs at guard please

Never said Simons is as good as T-Mac.
And no, Franz is still respected and guarded. AB is being left wide open because he cant shoot and gets 5 ppg. Never understood how people here are saying our franchise players are the problem, just to defend the big weaknesses of our role players. Same thing happens with Fultz.
Let me know about the two-player whos hitting efficient 23ppg from long distance and is available for an always-injured decent center, a rookie who is not even ranked top 10, and a late 1st rounder.
We dont need two Suggs. He developed great, i love him and think he is untouchable. But we need someone with different strengths to complement our core of Suggs, Franz, Paolo.

never said franz problem ..it having 2 guys at same time not guarded goga has no one within 10 ft of him at 3pt line worse spacing then black ..just adding to it is franz not hitting his 3s...with wcj and franz hitting his 3s paint wont be clogged anything close to what it is

So whats easier to fix? Your center not shooting 3s, or your pg not shooting 3s?
Despite that, Franz is not shooting well, but is still guarded. So it does not add to the bad spacing.

[ogmagicfan]

Sooo... asking price for Murray is only 2 FRP? We got that.

Would the Hawks really trade within the division?
What's up with the beed between PB and him?

I'm just as intrigued about Murray's relationship with Trae, because they don't seem close at all

Does this mean DJm can't get along with anybody? lol

Good question, I'm not sure

There have also been rumors that Trae is also difficult to get along with, so it's kinda hard to get a read into that situation

[OrlChamps2030]

Simons is one of the worst defenders in the league, and at this point is a 6th man.

Even with Suggs next to him I don't like the look defensively, and don't think he's as gamechanging offensively as others act like he is. He's fairly inconsistent and a big part of that is being heavily dependent on his jump shot.

Along with the fact that he'a a SG, not a PG and wouldn't help solve our issues with not having someone who can run a good PnR or simply play the PG position comfortably, I don't think he's worth going to get

I was just thinking about this. I think Simons is stylistically similar to Cole. I wonder if Weltman wants two players from this archetype on the team. My guess is no. I suspect he'll look to upgrade on Fultz and bring in a game manager, not a microwave scorer.

Simons is a much better shooter from 3 than Cole

There’s probably some truth that there’s overlap in their style though

But if Cole was a much better shooter, we wouldn’t even be looking for another starting caliber guard..

[Knightro]

Simons is essentially a souped up, rich man’s version of Cole.

He’s Cole if Cole took a bunch more threes and made them at a high percentage.

Similar weaknesses to be sure (weak defense, playing with blinders offensively primarily).

[Skybox]

Simons is one of the worst defenders in the league, and at this point is a 6th man.

Even with Suggs next to him I don't like the look defensively, and don't think he's as gamechanging offensively as others act like he is. He's fairly inconsistent and a big part of that is being heavily dependent on his jump shot.

Along with the fact that he'a a SG, not a PG and wouldn't help solve our issues with not having someone who can run a good PnR or simply play the PG position comfortably, I don't think he's worth going to get

I was just thinking about this. I think Simons is stylistically similar to Cole. I wonder if Weltman wants two players from this archetype on the team. My guess is no. I suspect he'll look to upgrade on Fultz and bring in a game manager, not a microwave scorer.

Simons is a much better shooter from 3 than Cole

There’s probably some truth that there’s overlap in their style though

But if Cole was a much better shooter, we wouldn’t even be looking for another starting caliber guard..

Stylistically similar or not...Simons is just a way better basketball player.

[Skin]

You want to use our precious cap space on Poole… you think that’s going to make a positive impression on Paolo and Franz?

He's one of those Rozier, Dragic, Russell, Dinwiddie, McCollum, Clarkson types and can be salvaged if he's taken his humble medicine. The mini-Booker archetype. Simons is another name that fits in that archetype.

The most attractive thing to me is that he should be dirt cheap, has Wolverine roots, has championship experience, and should be humbled by The Sucker Punch and The Sucker experiences.

No knuckleheads please

Stop it. We need killers. Rozier and Clarkson have that kind of playoff grit.

[Skin]

I was just thinking about this. I think Simons is stylistically similar to Cole. I wonder if Weltman wants two players from this archetype on the team. My guess is no. I suspect he'll look to upgrade on Fultz and bring in a game manager, not a microwave scorer.

Simons is a much better shooter from 3 than Cole

There’s probably some truth that there’s overlap in their style though

But if Cole was a much better shooter, we wouldn’t even be looking for another starting caliber guard..

Stylistically similar or not...Simons is just a way better basketball player.

Simmons must have a high price tag. I honestly don't care about the defensive issues. He makes up for it on offense and you can scheme defensive help. His consistency is reliable. GMs can work with reliability. They can find help on defense. What's hard is when you have players who are hot and cold like Suggs. Not knowing what you get night to night is just GM heartburn.

[Skybox]

Simons is a much better shooter from 3 than Cole

There’s probably some truth that there’s overlap in their style though

But if Cole was a much better shooter, we wouldn’t even be looking for another starting caliber guard..

Stylistically similar or not...Simons is just a way better basketball player.

Simmons must have a high price tag. I honestly don't care about the defensive issues. He makes up for it on offense and you can scheme defensive help. His consistency is reliable. GMs can work with reliability. They can find help on defense. What's hard is when you have players who are hot and cold like Suggs. Not knowing what you get night to night is just GM heartburn.

ORL has a good thing going...find the guy you really want and pay for him and move forward. I just dread hearing that "there just weren't any GMs willing to let us just steal from them-so we very wisely did nothing (again)"

[thelead]

Simons
Brogdon

for

WCJ
Cole
Fultz
Harris
1st rd pick

Completely overhauls our backcourt while giving Portland some younger players and a pick back. Not sure how I feel about it but the money matches up.

[Max Power]

I agree the Magic need a couple of killers out there. We need that third big gun from the perimeter behind Paolo and Franz. I keep seeing the same names, from Washington, Tyus Jones, Kispert and Gafford. These guys lead one of the worst squads in league history. Why are we so anxious to add that to our team? Same with Jaden Ivey. I fail to see how these guys from losing teams are going to help us level up. Only Gafford up front interests me.

[davey_wavy]

Trading Cole would IMO emotionally hurt the locker room. Cole's teammates love him, it's apparent on the court, apparent during interviews, apparent when I watch them court side during shoot around/pregame warmups, and ULTRA APPARENT as a season ticket holder who sits 2 rows back from our bench listening & observing player interactions 41 times a year. Cole leads the huddle.

You trade him, you loose more than basketball stats.

[eyriq]

Trading Cole would IMO emotionally hurt the locker room. Cole's teammates love him, it's apparent on the court, apparent during interviews, apparent when I watch them court side during shoot around/pregame warmups, and ULTRA APPARENT as a season ticket holder who sits 2 rows back from our bench listening & observing player interactions 41 times a year. Cole leads the huddle.

You trade him, you loose more than basketball stats.

AND he's young and trending up. I'm not a Cole fan in game threads but I'm a Cole fan when I zoom out and look at the big picture. Great contract with upside to be 6th man of the year.

Edit: he just needs to be 6th in minutes, which requires a stable and reliable starting lineup.

[Knightro]

Trading Cole would IMO emotionally hurt the locker room. Cole's teammates love him, it's apparent on the court, apparent during interviews, apparent when I watch them court side during shoot around/pregame warmups, and ULTRA APPARENT as a season ticket holder who sits 2 rows back from our bench listening & observing player interactions 41 times a year. Cole leads the huddle.

You trade him, you loose more than basketball stats.

There's certainly a human element to these things that we don't always understand.

[Bensational]

ORL: DeJounte Murray + Wiggins

ATL: Kuminga + Fultz

GSW: WCJ + Harris + Bey

Goga/Isaac
Paolo/Moe
Franz/Ingles/Black
Suggs/Wiggins
DM/Cole

I think that’s a fair exchange of value for each team. Eats up our cap for the next 4 years though with $50M+ going to DM + AW, so I’m not sure I like it that much. But we’d be getting depth, 3+D and championship experience, so maybe it’s worth it?

[SOUL]

I think that’s a fair exchange of value for each team. Eats up our cap for the next 4 years though with $50M+ going to DM + AW, so I’m not sure I like it that much. But we’d be getting depth, 3+D and championship experience, so maybe it’s worth it?

GSW doesn't do it (Kuminga has decent value) and maybe Atlanta if Johnson/Kuminga overlap a bit.

You think an expiring Fultz and WCJ + Harris gets us two guys who were all-stars last year? Even with Wiggins down year, surely our scraps are not getting that. ATL is asking for two first rounders for Dejounte.

[VFX]

Simons
Brogdon

for

WCJ
Cole
Fultz
Harris
1st rd pick

Completely overhauls our backcourt while giving Portland some younger players and a pick back. Not sure how I feel about it but the money matches up.

Sure whatever.

I’d do this if it means never reading another trade proposal for Simons ever again.

[Skin]

Trading Cole would IMO emotionally hurt the locker room. Cole's teammates love him, it's apparent on the court, apparent during interviews, apparent when I watch them court side during shoot around/pregame warmups, and ULTRA APPARENT as a season ticket holder who sits 2 rows back from our bench listening & observing player interactions 41 times a year. Cole leads the huddle.

You trade him, you loose more than basketball stats.

There's certainly a human element to these things that we don't always understand.

Sometimes losing a voice isn't all that bad as it allows room for a new voice to emerge. Maybe in our case, that will be beneficial to allowing Paolo and Franz grow into filling those roles.

[thelead]

Simons
Brogdon

for

WCJ
Cole
Fultz
Harris
1st rd pick

Completely overhauls our backcourt while giving Portland some younger players and a pick back. Not sure how I feel about it but the money matches up.

Sure whatever.

I’d do this if it means never reading another trade proposal for Simons ever again.

Since we're both fans of AB, let me ask you this: would you consider trading AB if it meant landing Mikal Bridges?

Something like AB, Harris, our 2024 1st, and the Den 2025 1st for Mikal Bridges.

[MasterGMer]

Simons
Brogdon

for

WCJ
Cole
Fultz
Harris
1st rd pick

Completely overhauls our backcourt while giving Portland some younger players and a pick back. Not sure how I feel about it but the money matches up.

Sure whatever.

I’d do this if it means never reading another trade proposal for Simons ever again.

Since we're both fans of AB, let me ask you this: would you consider trading AB if it meant landing Mikal Bridges?

Something like AB, Harris, our 2024 1st, and the Den 2025 1st for Mikal Bridges.

I thought that is good enough to even land us Giannis