Mediocre Mavs package for a backup big

[zimpy27]

yeah Holmes is useless, but not paying anything to swap him for Bagley. Bagley was just salaried dumped on Washington. Why would another team suddenly give value for him?

My thinking is that Bagley is overpaid but playable. Holmes isn't even playable.

But it's no biggie. I was just throwing it out there in case Dallas would be interested in a minor upgrade like this.

psst.. I think OP wants Gafford

[Apz]

Whats needed is a rimprotector that can set screens on offense. Thats basicly it. Doesnt even have to be gret at protecting the rim, just detterent opposition to want to drive, since getting past mavs perimetr defense aint hard.

[Texas Chuck]

yeah Holmes is useless, but not paying anything to swap him for Bagley. Bagley was just salaried dumped on Washington. Why would another team suddenly give value for him?

My thinking is that Bagley is overpaid but playable. Holmes isn't even playable.

But it's no biggie. I was just throwing it out there in case Dallas would be interested in a minor upgrade like this.

psst.. I think OP wants Gafford

I do want Gafford. But I think what I'm willing to offer on behalf of Dallas falls short so I didn't put that out there. But he's the sort of player I had in mind for sure. Good sleuthing.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Incoming bismack biyombo signing.

[zimpy27]

My thinking is that Bagley is overpaid but playable. Holmes isn't even playable.

But it's no biggie. I was just throwing it out there in case Dallas would be interested in a minor upgrade like this.

psst.. I think OP wants Gafford

I do want Gafford. But I think what I'm willing to offer on behalf of Dallas falls short so I didn't put that out there. But he's the sort of player I had in mind for sure. Good sleuthing.

The package seemed Gafford level to me. Too good for a bad backup and not enough for an average starter.

Would you consider Green+OMax+Powell for Gafford+min and then you can get a buyout player as 15th guy to stay under tax?

[Texas Chuck]

No

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[Syko_boB]

Jaxson Hayes

[DanishLakerFan]

Holmes
Prosper
2 2nds

Can obviously add in more salary pieces as needed(Powell, Curry, Morris probably the main possibilities)

Can Dallas get a reasonable backup big for this? Need a guy who provides rebounding and/or rim protection. So not looking for Olynyk or Boucher nor would I give up Prosper for either of those guys. Oh yeah and no going into tax lol. Is this doable?

It's just night and day for Dallas when Lively is on the court versus when he is off. So having someone else competent behind him would really help.

Maybe Andre Drummond? He's playing quite well right now, but he's an expiring and there might be too much overlap between him and Vuc for Chicago to keep him.

[Decipher]

yeah Holmes is useless, but not paying anything to swap him for Bagley. Bagley was just salaried dumped on Washington. Why would another team suddenly give value for him?

My thinking is that Bagley is overpaid but playable. Holmes isn't even playable.

But it's no biggie. I was just throwing it out there in case Dallas would be interested in a minor upgrade like this.

What’s happened to Holmes?

I know that he had some personal problems but he’s only 30 & doesn’t have many miles on the clock

[Swish77]

Holmes
Prosper
2 2nds

Can obviously add in more salary pieces as needed(Powell, Curry, Morris probably the main possibilities)

Can Dallas get a reasonable backup big for this? Need a guy who provides rebounding and/or rim protection. So not looking for Olynyk or Boucher nor would I give up Prosper for either of those guys. Oh yeah and no going into tax lol. Is this doable?

It's just night and day for Dallas when Lively is on the court versus when he is off. So having someone else competent behind him would really help.

Maybe Andre Drummond? He's playing quite well right now, but he's an expiring and there might be too much overlap between him and Vuc for Chicago to keep him.

Drummond needs minutes to be effective. I'm not benching Livey for Drummond. If you see Drummonds stats coming off the bench there below avg stats. He wouldn't get enough minutes here.

[balsamic_ducks]

Chris Boucher?

[Swish77]

yeah Holmes is useless, but not paying anything to swap him for Bagley. Bagley was just salaried dumped on Washington. Why would another team suddenly give value for him?

My thinking is that Bagley is overpaid but playable. Holmes isn't even playable.

But it's no biggie. I was just throwing it out there in case Dallas would be interested in a minor upgrade like this.

What’s happened to Holmes?

I know that he had some personal problems but he’s only 30 & doesn’t have many miles on the clock

From what i heard he's late to meetings and He's lazy. He's wood 2.0

[toooskies]

Holmes
Prosper
2 2nds

Can obviously add in more salary pieces as needed(Powell, Curry, Morris probably the main possibilities)

Can Dallas get a reasonable backup big for this? Need a guy who provides rebounding and/or rim protection. So not looking for Olynyk or Boucher nor would I give up Prosper for either of those guys. Oh yeah and no going into tax lol. Is this doable?

It's just night and day for Dallas when Lively is on the court versus when he is off. So having someone else competent behind him would really help.

Maybe Andre Drummond? He's playing quite well right now, but he's an expiring and there might be too much overlap between him and Vuc for Chicago to keep him.

Drummond needs minutes to be effective. I'm not benching Livey for Drummond. If you see Drummonds stats coming off the bench there below avg stats. He wouldn't get enough minutes here.

I mean, per-36 Drummond is averaging 17 points (career average) and 19 rebounds (career high, and league high). The one thing you definitely get from Drummond is stats.

[Swish77]

Maybe Andre Drummond? He's playing quite well right now, but he's an expiring and there might be too much overlap between him and Vuc for Chicago to keep him.

Drummond needs minutes to be effective. I'm not benching Livey for Drummond. If you see Drummonds stats coming off the bench there below avg stats. He wouldn't get enough minutes here.

I mean, per-36 Drummond is averaging 17 points (career average) and 19 rebounds (career high, and league high). The one thing you definitely get from Drummond is stats.

Yeah but I'm not benching a 19 year old for drummond no chance lol

[toooskies]

Drummond needs minutes to be effective. I'm not benching Livey for Drummond. If you see Drummonds stats coming off the bench there below avg stats. He wouldn't get enough minutes here.

I mean, per-36 Drummond is averaging 17 points (career average) and 19 rebounds (career high, and league high). The one thing you definitely get from Drummond is stats.

Yeah but I'm not benching a 19 year old for drummond no chance lol

No one's talking about benching Lively for Drummond except you.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Jaxson Hayes

Hayes isn’t a solution to any problem. He can give you 6 fouls though lol

[JMAC3]

I have been against Holmes for years, but given the status of the Hornets I think it might be time.

[Texas Chuck]

I have been against Holmes for years, but given the status of the Hornets I think it might be time.

What would you be giving up?

And man that post makes me kinda sad for you...

[jayjaysee]

I’ve played with it, and it’s meh.. But.. Looney

[JMAC3]

I have been against Holmes for years, but given the status of the Hornets I think it might be time.

What would you be giving up?

And man that post makes me kinda sad for you...

I think both PJ and Richards have some merit as solid depth addition for the Mavs. I would assume in such a case you would prefer Holmes as filler compared to Grant.

Two iterations that I think could make sense.

#1 Holmes, Hardy, Raps 25 2nd rounder for Richards and Bouknight (expiring filler).

Why: Mavs get off the contract of Holmes for next year, Richards is a Lively clone that gives them insurance and he is under contract for next 2.5 years at a flat 5 million. Hornets need a center if we are moving off Richards and Holmes is a body at least, Hardy is the piece for Hornets who can't stop collecting combo guards and the 2nd is nice because we are eating Holmes contract next year for you.

#2 Holmes, OMax, Hardy for PJ

Why: PJ was worth a first at least years deadline, so I could see Hornets holding onto him since he is under contract for 3 years. OMax and Hardy are probably close to a first in valuation at this point. Hornets still eat Holmes contract for you and PJ is an upgrade over Williams. Dallas keeps all their picks for future moves.