Woj: Raptors trade Pascal Siakam to Pacers for Bruce Brown, Jordan Nwora, Kira Lewis and 3 first round picks

djsunyc · Post #21 » by **djsunyc** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:48 am

with all that said - masai trades just happen, very rarely do you hear discussion tweets before a deal is done.

but this is a domino effect - more trades to come for the raptors most likely.

durden_tyler · Post #22 » by **durden_tyler** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:50 am

Why are the Warriors standing pat? Can't they offer a similar multiple first round offers? Or are they just fine wasting Steph's final prime years?

Walmart · Post #23 » by **Walmart** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:54 am

durden_tyler wrote:Why are the Warriors standing pat? Can't they offer a similar multiple first round offers? Or are they just fine wasting Steph's final prime years?

Siakim on the Warriors isn't a championship team.

_jin · Post #24 » by **_jin** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:55 am

durden_tyler wrote:Why are the Warriors standing pat? Can't they offer a similar multiple first round offers? Or are they just fine wasting Steph's final prime years?

Siakam wants a max contract this summer, Warriors cant realistically offer him that

whatisacenter · Post #25 » by **whatisacenter** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:56 am

djsunyc wrote:with all that said - masai trades just happen, very rarely do you hear discussion tweets before a deal is done.

but this is a domino effect - more trades to come for the raptors most likely.

There has been plenty of talk about a Raptors/Pacers trade.

durden_tyler wrote:Why are the Warriors standing pat? Can't they offer a similar multiple first round offers? Or are they just fine wasting Steph's final prime years?

Siakam isn't a good fit for the Warriors while Draymond is there and they aren't a Siakam away from being a contender.

BrianInPhilly · Post #26 » by **BrianInPhilly** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:58 am

djsunyc wrote:
Saints14 wrote:If he was a few years younger I'd love it for Indy. He's a great fit but I wouldn't want to pay him big money into his 30s, and I certainly wouldn't want to trade 3 firsts (and Brown) for the not even guaranteed privilege of doing so

there is zero path for indy to take the next step as a team w/o making a trade like this. they have hield who's a UFA. if they don't make the deal then their future rests on the development of mathurin and walker - that will probably kill 2-3 years of hali's prime years. windows to make the next step close quick for alot of teams.

Agreed, standing on your hands is rarely advisable. Haliburton-Mathurin-Turner is their big 3 the next few years w/o Siakam … adding Siakam would remind me of Bucks making a swing for Jrue Holiday few years ago. People questioned that trade then, but it obviously worked. Finding a veteran in their prime is difficult. He checks off enough boxes.

The picks aren’t overkill if they can keep other core pieces like Nembhard, Neismith, Walker, even Jalen Smith out of deal. That’s a heck of a core 8-9 the next several years. Siakam would be the only non-shooter in most lineup combinations so he should feast with the spacing.

djsunyc · Post #27 » by **djsunyc** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:59 am

BrianInPhilly wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
Saints14 wrote:If he was a few years younger I'd love it for Indy. He's a great fit but I wouldn't want to pay him big money into his 30s, and I certainly wouldn't want to trade 3 firsts (and Brown) for the not even guaranteed privilege of doing so

there is zero path for indy to take the next step as a team w/o making a trade like this. they have hield who's a UFA. if they don't make the deal then their future rests on the development of mathurin and walker - that will probably kill 2-3 years of hali's prime years. windows to make the next step close quick for alot of teams.

Agreed, standing on your hands is rarely advisable. Haliburton-Mathurin-Turner is their big 3 the next few years w/o Siakam … adding Siakam would remind me of Bucks making a swing for Jrue Holiday few years ago. People questioned that trade then, but it obviously worked. Finding a veteran in their prime is difficult. He checks off enough boxes.

and this is an even better trade for indy b/c they have a huge hole at pf and front court scoring.

notagenius · Post #28 » by **notagenius** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 2:02 am

Pascal is a perfect fit for how Indy plays.

He's going to look real good in that system.

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MavsDirk41 · Post #29 » by **MavsDirk41** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 2:03 am

Brown and Buddy Hield would work salary wise with Siakam but anything more than one first round pick going to Toronto is highway robbery…who is competing realistically against Indiana anyway?

Clincher · Post #30 » by **Clincher** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 2:10 am

Siakam probably going to eat Obi Toppin's minutes, unfortunate break for the latter.

baldur · Post #31 » by **baldur** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 2:11 am

It looks like an overpay.

HotelVitale · Post #32 » by **HotelVitale** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 2:14 am

_jin wrote:
durden_tyler wrote:Why are the Warriors standing pat? Can't they offer a similar multiple first round offers? Or are they just fine wasting Steph's final prime years?

Siakam wants a max contract this summer, Warriors cant realistically offer him that

Ws can’t offer close to 3 picks either, think they can only do 1 at the moment.

Marvin Martian · Post #33 » by **Marvin Martian** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 2:16 am

Siakam doesn't fit Indy's timeline. They should be sellers not buyers

JujitsuFlip · Post #34 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 2:17 am

MavsDirk41 wrote:Brown and Buddy Hield would work salary wise with Siakam but anything more than one first round pick going to Toronto is highway robbery…who is competing realistically against Indiana anyway?

That is 100% who the outgoing Pacers salary will be. If they throw protections on the picks, it may not be horrible.

Dominator83 · Post #35 » by **Dominator83** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 2:17 am

If i were Indy I would be trying 1 pick and Benedict

JujitsuFlip · Post #36 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 2:18 am

Dominator83 wrote:If i were Indy I would be trying 1 pick and Benedict

Salary isn't close in that scenario.

Vampirate · Post #37 » by **Vampirate** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 2:18 am

Age wise Siakam is likely in the decline when Hali hits his prime, GSW are a better timeline fit age wise.

MARK_POPE · Post #38 » by **MARK_POPE** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 2:18 am

It's too good of a fit to not pursue, risk aside. He'll sign with them no doubt as long as they offer a 5th year- he wants his bag and saying no to the Pacers means turning down like 60M.

SFour · Post #39 » by **SFour** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 2:19 am

baldur wrote:It looks like an overpay.

it's 3 late firsts...the same package that was offered for OG.

it's not an overpay at all....as time goes on I bet it turns into a steal for the Pacers.

Jabroni Lames · Post #40 » by **Jabroni Lames** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 2:22 am

WeLikeOurGuys wrote:Pacers are desperate for an all star to team with Haliburton, but is Siakam that guy? I don’t love the fit next to Haliburton.

The real question is if Haliburton is a legit #1 guy. Siakam is a battle tested #2 option on a championship team. And he’s waaay better than he was when he won the chip. Great 2-way player when he wants to be. Hard worker and low maintenance team guy.

Awesome get for Pacers if they believe they can resign him.

Who won the trade?