Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 3.0
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Random deal I thought of:
Duncan Robinson
Dru Smith
Thomas Bryant
for
Kevin Huerter
Davion Mitchell
Alex Len
Robinson gives the Kings a more potent 3pt option at the 2, where they stagger him and Monk. Huerter fits in to pretty much any lineup we'd put him in, as a designated spacer and solid 2/3. Mitchell gives us a defensive minded PG who has fallen in the pecking order now that Fox has become elite. Also allows us to move off Bryant, who has a Player Option next year (sigh) in favour of Len, who expires.
Might not be enough value there for the Kings though.
Duncan Robinson
Dru Smith
Thomas Bryant
for
Kevin Huerter
Davion Mitchell
Alex Len
Robinson gives the Kings a more potent 3pt option at the 2, where they stagger him and Monk. Huerter fits in to pretty much any lineup we'd put him in, as a designated spacer and solid 2/3. Mitchell gives us a defensive minded PG who has fallen in the pecking order now that Fox has become elite. Also allows us to move off Bryant, who has a Player Option next year (sigh) in favour of Len, who expires.
Might not be enough value there for the Kings though.
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Flash4thewin wrote:
No they are smart. Not all picks are equal, then you need to factor all the picks and swaps they owe for the Harden trade. They would be idiots to trade him since they dont own there own picks for the considerable future.
They were offered a superstar haul for a guy who is the 4th or at best 3rd best player on a championship team and said no, they’re idiots. You’re saying they don’t have many picks (which is wrong) but if that was the case why would that make it any smarter? They should be looking to add picks if that was the case
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Wiltside wrote:Random deal I thought of:
Duncan Robinson
Dru Smith
Thomas Bryant
for
Kevin Huerter
Davion Mitchell
Alex Len
Robinson gives the Kings a more potent 3pt option at the 2, where they stagger him and Monk. Huerter fits in to pretty much any lineup we'd put him in, as a designated spacer and solid 2/3. Mitchell gives us a defensive minded PG who has fallen in the pecking order now that Fox has become elite. Also allows us to move off Bryant, who has a Player Option next year (sigh) in favour of Len, who expires.
Might not be enough value there for the Kings though.
Kings shut this one down pretty quickly. They were trying to get in on Spicy P with Mitchell, Huerter, and Barnes. Getting Duncan does nothing for them here.
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Tyus would really improve our fast break offense and give us a ball handling true pure point guard weapon in the half court. He moves fast unlike our 38 year old slug Lowry. Bam would be getting so many easy baskets with Tyus.
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MettaWorldPanda wrote:
Tyus would really improve our fast break offense and give us a ball handling true pure point guard weapon in the half court. He moves fast unlike our 38 year old slug Lowry. Bam would be getting so many easy baskets with Tyus.
I do recall him being very good as a starter when Morant was out last season for Memphis. Might be something there, MWP.
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Another name worth monitoring: Josh Giddey.
Minutes are well down this year, and OKC seem very high on Cason Wallace as a longer term option. Their cap sheet looks pretty clean though, so not sure there's a lot we could entice them with.
Minutes are well down this year, and OKC seem very high on Cason Wallace as a longer term option. Their cap sheet looks pretty clean though, so not sure there's a lot we could entice them with.
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Wiltside wrote:Another name worth monitoring: Josh Giddey.
Minutes are well down this year, and OKC seem very high on Cason Wallace as a longer term option. Their cap sheet looks pretty clean though, so not sure there's a lot we could entice them with.
Ummmmm.......No lol
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A under the radar move could be getting in on the Pacers/Raptors deal and trying to get some combo of Dennis /TJ Mcconell/Bruce Brown/Buddy Hield. A Dennis/Brown combo would be crazy.
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SoFlaKingReal wrote:Wiltside wrote:Another name worth monitoring: Josh Giddey.
Minutes are well down this year, and OKC seem very high on Cason Wallace as a longer term option. Their cap sheet looks pretty clean though, so not sure there's a lot we could entice them with.
Ummmmm.......No lol
I understand why you'd say this, but the reality is we really don't know anything about the whole situation. I guess all will come to light in due course, one way or another.
I would assume any deal would involve us doing our due diligence...
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Pokuokic wrote:A under the radar move could be getting in on the Pacers/Raptors deal and trying to get some combo of Dennis /TJ Mcconell/Bruce Brown/Buddy Hield. A Dennis/Brown combo would be crazy.
McConnell or Brown would both be handy additions.
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Here's around the price for Pascal.
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Tyus would really improve our fast break offense and give us a ball handling true pure point guard weapon in the half court. He moves fast unlike our 38 year old slug Lowry. Bam would be getting so many easy baskets with Tyus.
Just whish he had a bit more oomph to his game, the scoring juice and creating by driving is our biggest issue IMO.
But He's a very smart old school type PG that can shoot, pass, and is at least on par athletically unlike Lowry.
Tyus is a definite upgrade, But i still like Sexton better because his scoring and driving aggression can unlock a lot of things for our offense.
Is Tyus a legit defender?
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Quentin Grimes apparently on the block too. Interesting player. Lost his role a bit this season in New York, but was good last year.
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RexBoyWonder wrote:MettaWorldPanda wrote:
Tyus would really improve our fast break offense and give us a ball handling true pure point guard weapon in the half court. He moves fast unlike our 38 year old slug Lowry. Bam would be getting so many easy baskets with Tyus.
Just whish he had a bit more oomph to his game, the scoring juice and creating by driving is our biggest issue IMO.
But He's a very smart old school type PG that can shoot, pass, and is at least on par athletically unlike Lowry.
Tyus is a definite upgrade, But i still like Sexton better because his scoring and driving aggression can unlock a lot of things for our offense.
Is Tyus a legit defender?
He's more of a solid defender who's not going to get lost in a defensive system and will keep his man in front of him. He does have a knack for getting steals and reading passing lanes. Here goes a little write up
"Tyus utilizes the principles of billiards and judo to surmount the defensive mismatches of yore. He deploys his extraordinary court vision and dedicated hoop scholarship to assess the angles, obstacles and parameters within his zone of coverage and rotational responsibility, and then uses the momentum of his opponent’s physical and mental activity against him to get steals and stops, and to minimize instances where a player can back him down with crab-dribbles or arm-barred straight-line penetration toward the hoop.
In on-ball defense, his quick feet scrabble to cut down the angle and position himself to draw the charge; or he’ll dance laterally just enough to create open space for a forward lunge that produces a poke-check steal or deflection. On the pick-and-roll, he exercises his typically superb judgment on when to go over or under the pick, when to exaggerate contact and goad the screen-foul, and how to give and accept help on the trap or the switch. In transition or otherwise caught in space, he turns an apparent weakness into a virtue as well as anyone in the NBA, performing like a football free safety with a nose for interceptions (via immediate aggression, or lulling then pouncing) or simply discouraging the most predictably injurious option an opponent could inflict on his team."
I understand you like Sexton and some other names being thrown out but I would say that Tyus Jones presents the easiest path to a deal that won't hurt any future prospects of getting a star player. Hornets have Rozier under contract for another year and may just sit tight and wait it out another year if they don't get the price they want for him. Sexton and guys like Murray have some big hurdles to climb when trying to make a deal. We can go into the Klutch aspect with both, having to deal with Ainge in Utah, and Hawks having plenty of offers from other teams for Murray that when push comes to shove and all things equal would most likely prefer not having to deal Murray within the division.
Also Sexton has been playing out of his mind lately since getting entered into the starting lineup that they might not even be interested in entertaining a deal for him unless it's an overpay. Of course it's going to be an overpay when dealing with Ainge. With Tyus Jones you have a relatively young savvy player that would fit in the moment he touches the court with our team. He'd allow Herro to do his thing at the two without any conflictions, get the ball where it needs to be and make the winning plays we need from that position. Our star player in Butler is also very extremely fond of him from there time spent in Minnesota.
The price as an impending free agent that the Wiz would be looking to cash in before he walks should be cheap. He's only on a 14 million a year contract that expires next year and shouldn't cost much more then that to sign him long term. We would have stability at the position. He has friendly representation with Kevin Bradbury who works for Mike Miller's agency which should make negotiations easy to deal with. The move may not be as flashy as others but presents the one that makes the most sense and legitimately gives us an upgrade at the position.
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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Wiltside wrote:MettaWorldPanda wrote:Tyus Jones is represented by Kevin Bradbury of Lifts sports management. The president of Lifts is Mike Miller. UD and Mike Miller currently have a pod cast together called the OG’s. Could be something could be nothing.
What I imagine the Heat likes about Tyus is that he's a "winner" and big game player. I think he was Most Outstanding Player for that Duke team that won the chip, the one with Winslow and Okafor. Miami likes guys who come from proven organisations, well coached, and winning pedigree.
My only hesitation with Jones is his size, and the fact he's more of a pure point. Spo doesn't seem to like those types. He wants a bigger, defensive minded combo who can hit the 3 at a good clip and doesn't need the rock on offense. Anything would be an upgrade on Lowry at this point though....
Tyus is 6’1 196 and Lowry is 6’0 196. Schroder 6’1 172. Tyus has 24 pounds on Schroder.
No way in hell Tyus and Lowry actually weigh the same amount. Lowry's listed weight is probable from a decade ago
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greg4012 wrote:MettaWorldPanda wrote:Wiltside wrote:
What I imagine the Heat likes about Tyus is that he's a "winner" and big game player. I think he was Most Outstanding Player for that Duke team that won the chip, the one with Winslow and Okafor. Miami likes guys who come from proven organisations, well coached, and winning pedigree.
My only hesitation with Jones is his size, and the fact he's more of a pure point. Spo doesn't seem to like those types. He wants a bigger, defensive minded combo who can hit the 3 at a good clip and doesn't need the rock on offense. Anything would be an upgrade on Lowry at this point though....
Tyus is 6’1 196 and Lowry is 6’0 196. Schroder 6’1 172. Tyus has 24 pounds on Schroder.
No way in hell Tyus and Lowry actually weigh the same amount. Lowry's listed weight is probable from a decade ago

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:greg4012 wrote:MettaWorldPanda wrote:Tyus is 6’1 196 and Lowry is 6’0 196. Schroder 6’1 172. Tyus has 24 pounds on Schroder.
No way in hell Tyus and Lowry actually weigh the same amount. Lowry's listed weight is probable from a decade ago
Yeah your right. He looks like he's pushing like 230 these days
A bit of an exaggeration but yes Lowry is chunky these days, his weight is mostly on his booty and legs, he has that body type. I don't think he is 230lbs but probably some where between 206-212lbs
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I also want to point out that Dennis Schroder would be one helluva get for what most likely would be a small price to pay. The most logical spot for Lowry to land in trade has always been going back to the Raptors. Whether we deal straight up with them for Schroder or send Schroder to the Wizards for Jones. I think it all ends up with Lowry going back to the Raptors to finish out his career there. Heat have been long rumored to liking Schroder and I would be thrilled to have him as our starting PG moving forward. Once again not as splashy as some other moves but one that seems like a path of least resistance move. Schroder is represented by Mark Bartlestein who also happens to be the agent for Kyle Lowry.
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IceColdCubano wrote:MettaWorldPanda wrote:greg4012 wrote:
No way in hell Tyus and Lowry actually weigh the same amount. Lowry's listed weight is probable from a decade ago
Yeah your right. He looks like he's pushing like 230 these days
A bit of an exaggeration but yes Lowry is chunky these days, his weight is mostly on his booty and legs, he has that body type. I don't think he is 230lbs but probably some where between 206-212lbs
I was definitely exaggerating lol