NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 3: Son of Daughter of MVP thread)

[Infinite Llamas]

Eyetoma you cant keep going at Celtics fans when they’ve been far more successful than you’re team currently.

Why, they are always in here trashing on the Sixers and Embiid. They have had overall better success in the playoffs, but they are still no where close to realizing their potential. They were lucky they played Philly in the 2nd round, because another team would have beat them. They have enough issues, in Tatum's inconsistency, Brown not being nearly worth his contract, and Porzingis with his injury concerns.

I'll give it to them they've made it to the finals once, and they were sent packing, with Tatum having an NBA record 100 turnovers in the finals. I dont' get why they are constantly put on this pedestal, even though they can make the finals, they don't win there. If people want ot complain about the Sixers not getting past the 2nd round, the Celtics have not been able to get past the ECF, except for one occasion.

They were also close to a sweep against the Heat last year, came back, but then still lost, which was essentially a pathetic performance.

Again, they have had more success in the playoffs, but this is absolutely the year they have to win a chip. They are the best team in the NBA right now, and have everything going for them. They will be labeled as frauds if they dont' win it this year imo.

Preeeeety sure Tatum, in all his struggles in that Finals series, didn’t average 16 turnovers a game…

[XtremeDunkz]

Celtics have played well in the playoffs relative to Philly, but at the end of the day, we have the same number of titles in this era.

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[eyeatoma]

Eyetoma you cant keep going at Celtics fans when they’ve been far more successful than you’re team currently.

Why, they are always in here trashing on the Sixers and Embiid. They have had overall better success in the playoffs, but they are still no where close to realizing their potential. They were lucky they played Philly in the 2nd round, because another team would have beat them. They have enough issues, in Tatum's inconsistency, Brown not being nearly worth his contract, and Porzingis with his injury concerns.

I'll give it to them they've made it to the finals once, and they were sent packing, with Tatum having an NBA record 100 turnovers in the finals. I dont' get why they are constantly put on this pedestal, even though they can make the finals, they don't win there. If people want ot complain about the Sixers not getting past the 2nd round, the Celtics have not been able to get past the ECF, except for one occasion.

They were also close to a sweep against the Heat last year, came back, but then still lost, which was essentially a pathetic performance.

Again, they have had more success in the playoffs, but this is absolutely the year they have to win a chip. They are the best team in the NBA right now, and have everything going for them. They will be labeled as frauds if they dont' win it this year imo.

Preeeeety sure Tatum, in all his struggles in that Finals series, didn’t average 16 turnovers a game…

Sorry my bad, the entire post season.

[GrandTheftRondo]

Celtics have played well in the playoffs relative to Philly, but at the end of the day, we have the same number of titles in this era.

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There was only one fanbase on here from 2016 onwards talking about winning multiple titles etc and it wasn't the Celtics fanbase.

The amount of revisionism over the last few months regarding the Celtics in the Tatum era is absurd.

[Statlanta]

At this point I’d rather give the MVP to SGA. The Nuggets have been playing lazy all season and Embiid has missed too many games.

[HotRocks34]

Embiid clearly outplayed Jokic tonight.

No he didn't.

Their NBA Efficiency numbers for the game looked like this:

Jokic......35 in 38 minutes
Embiid...44 in 39 minutes

Embiid had a good assist game. I'll give him that. But the key difference between their efficiency numbers is that Embiid shot 15 free throws and Jokic shot 4. If Jokic gets 15 FTA and goes 12-15, his efficiency figure would be 42.

Embiid's usage rate for the game was 37.8 and Jokic's was 29.2 for the game. A higher usage rate often leads to a greater efficiency stat.

So what was the efficiency per unit of usage?

Jokic......35/29.2 = 1.20 efficiency units per unit of usage

Embiid ....44/37.8 = 1.16


Jokic was the more efficient player tonight. He made more of his opportunities and minutes than Embiid did. But it was close, as the plus minus was.

One of the chronic issues for Philly is that so much of what they do relies on Embiid. He is averaging a league high and career high 38.3 usage. Jokic is at 29.2 on the season.

Embiid's high usage helps Philly in the regular season when he's getting the calls. In the postseason as he doesn't get the same calls and tends to implode, relying on Embiid doesn't look so good.

Jokic is a guy who will do anything to win, including scoring just 4 points in a game 10 days ago.

Embiid is the opposite. He'll stat pad with no abandon as the recent Knicks game showed.

They have two different approaches to the game.

It is what it is.

[eyeatoma]

At this point I’d rather give the MVP to SGA. The Nuggets have been playing lazy all season and Embiid has missed too many games.

I agree if Embiid doesn't get to 65 games. But Shai had a bad game today, and I feel like he's calmed down in the last few games, but I could be wrong. OKC just got beaten by both LA teams.

His last two games weren't amazing, and his numbers have dropped over the last 2 weeks, compared to the rest of the season...

[DrModesty]

At this point I’d rather give the MVP to SGA. The Nuggets have been playing lazy all season and Embiid has missed too many games.

I agree if Embiid doesn't get to 65 games. But Shai had a bad game today, and I feel like he's calmed down in the last few games, but I could be wrong. OKC just got beaten by both LA teams.

His last two games weren't amazing, and his numbers have dropped over the last 2 weeks, compared to the rest of the season...

His last 2 games he has been playing with a knee sprain. It happened in the Orlando game.

[HotRocks34]

At this point I’d rather give the MVP to SGA. The Nuggets have been playing lazy all season and Embiid has missed too many games.

I agree if Embiid doesn't get to 65 games. But Shai had a bad game today, and I feel like he's calmed down in the last few games, but I could be wrong. OKC just got beaten by both LA teams.

His last two games weren't amazing, and his numbers have dropped over the last 2 weeks, compared to the rest of the season...

If Embiid misses say 15 games and Jokic or SGA miss like 5, and the teams have similar records, Embiid likely loses the award and he would deserve to lose.

Games missed matters, even if you make the 65 game cutoff.

[sikma42]

Embiid clearly outplayed Jokic tonight.

No he didn't.

Their NBA Efficiency numbers for the game looked like this:

Jokic......35 in 38 minutes
Embiid...44 in 39 minutes

Embiid had a good assist game. I'll give him that. But the key difference between their efficiency numbers is that Embiid shot 15 free throws and Jokic shot 4. If Jokic gets 15 FTA and goes 12-15, his efficiency figure would be 42.

Embiid's usage rate for the game was 37.8 and Jokic's was 29.2 for the game. A higher usage rate often leads to a greater efficiency stat.

So what was the efficiency per unit of usage?

Jokic......35/29.2 = 1.20 efficiency units per unit of usage

Embiid ....44/37.8 = 1.16


Jokic was the more efficient player tonight. He made more of his opportunities and minutes than Embiid did. But it was close, as the plus minus was.

One of the chronic issues for Philly is that so much of what they do relies on Embiid. He is averaging a league high and career high 38.3 usage. Jokic is at 29.2 on the season.

Embiid's high usage helps Philly in the regular season when he's getting the calls. In the postseason as he doesn't get the same calls and tends to implode, relying on Embiid doesn't look so good.

Jokic is a guy who will do anything to win, including scoring just 4 points in a game 10 days ago.

Embiid is the opposite. He'll stat pad with no abandon as the recent Knicks game showed.

They have two different approaches to the game.

It is what it is.

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[eyeatoma]

At this point I’d rather give the MVP to SGA. The Nuggets have been playing lazy all season and Embiid has missed too many games.

I agree if Embiid doesn't get to 65 games. But Shai had a bad game today, and I feel like he's calmed down in the last few games, but I could be wrong. OKC just got beaten by both LA teams.

His last two games weren't amazing, and his numbers have dropped over the last 2 weeks, compared to the rest of the season...

His last 2 games he has been playing with a knee sprain. It happened in the Orlando game.

Ah gotcha, I can understand that.

[eyeatoma]

At this point I’d rather give the MVP to SGA. The Nuggets have been playing lazy all season and Embiid has missed too many games.

I agree if Embiid doesn't get to 65 games. But Shai had a bad game today, and I feel like he's calmed down in the last few games, but I could be wrong. OKC just got beaten by both LA teams.

His last two games weren't amazing, and his numbers have dropped over the last 2 weeks, compared to the rest of the season...

If Embiid misses say 15 games and Jokic or SGA miss like 5, and the teams have similar records, Embiid likely loses the award and he would deserve to lose.

Games missed matters, even if you make the 65 game cutoff.

Not when you're lapping the field. Embiid was already getting ducking allegations during the first straw poll and he had a near unanimous 1st place.

[HotRocks34]

I agree if Embiid doesn't get to 65 games. But Shai had a bad game today, and I feel like he's calmed down in the last few games, but I could be wrong. OKC just got beaten by both LA teams.

His last two games weren't amazing, and his numbers have dropped over the last 2 weeks, compared to the rest of the season...

If Embiid misses say 15 games and Jokic or SGA miss like 5, and the teams have similar records, Embiid likely loses the award and he would deserve to lose.

Games missed matters, even if you make the 65 game cutoff.

Not when you're lapping the field. Embiid was already getting ducking allegations during the first straw poll and he had a near unanimous 1st place.

Embiid is not, however, lapping the field.

He trailed Jokic coming into tonight in RPM, BPM and season wins. He may trail SGA as well.

Playing matters and Embiid is very unlikely to get the benefit of the doubt he got last year.

Additionally, he is the single greatest postseason failure in NBA MVP history so far, and as we saw last year the postseason matters for MVP voting.

He's going up against the reigning Finals MVP who proved everything last year.

Tall task for Embiid.

[ChartFiction]

Embiid clearly outplayed Jokic tonight.

No he didn't.

Their NBA Efficiency numbers for the game looked like this:

Jokic......35 in 38 minutes
Embiid...44 in 39 minutes

Embiid had a good assist game. I'll give him that. But the key difference between their efficiency numbers is that Embiid shot 15 free throws and Jokic shot 4. If Jokic gets 15 FTA and goes 12-15, his efficiency figure would be 42.

Embiid's usage rate for the game was 37.8 and Jokic's was 29.2 for the game. A higher usage rate often leads to a greater efficiency stat.

So what was the efficiency per unit of usage?

Jokic......35/29.2 = 1.20 efficiency units per unit of usage

Embiid ....44/37.8 = 1.16


Jokic was the more efficient player tonight. He made more of his opportunities and minutes than Embiid did. But it was close, as the plus minus was.

One of the chronic issues for Philly is that so much of what they do relies on Embiid. He is averaging a league high and career high 38.3 usage. Jokic is at 29.2 on the season.

Embiid's high usage helps Philly in the regular season when he's getting the calls. In the postseason as he doesn't get the same calls and tends to implode, relying on Embiid doesn't look so good.

Jokic is a guy who will do anything to win, including scoring just 4 points in a game 10 days ago.

Embiid is the opposite. He'll stat pad with no abandon as the recent Knicks game showed.

They have two different approaches to the game.

It is what it is.

This is the most nonsense math I have ever seen.

Embiid scored 41 on higher TS. He put up 10 assists on 3 turn overs.
Jokic scored 25 on lower TS. He put up 3 assists on 4 turnovers.
Jokic did better on the boards. That's it.

[HotRocks34]

Embiid clearly outplayed Jokic tonight.

No he didn't.

Their NBA Efficiency numbers for the game looked like this:

Jokic......35 in 38 minutes
Embiid...44 in 39 minutes

Embiid had a good assist game. I'll give him that. But the key difference between their efficiency numbers is that Embiid shot 15 free throws and Jokic shot 4. If Jokic gets 15 FTA and goes 12-15, his efficiency figure would be 42.

Embiid's usage rate for the game was 37.8 and Jokic's was 29.2 for the game. A higher usage rate often leads to a greater efficiency stat.

So what was the efficiency per unit of usage?

Jokic......35/29.2 = 1.20 efficiency units per unit of usage

Embiid ....44/37.8 = 1.16


Jokic was the more efficient player tonight. He made more of his opportunities and minutes than Embiid did. But it was close, as the plus minus was.

One of the chronic issues for Philly is that so much of what they do relies on Embiid. He is averaging a league high and career high 38.3 usage. Jokic is at 29.2 on the season.

Embiid's high usage helps Philly in the regular season when he's getting the calls. In the postseason as he doesn't get the same calls and tends to implode, relying on Embiid doesn't look so good.

Jokic is a guy who will do anything to win, including scoring just 4 points in a game 10 days ago.

Embiid is the opposite. He'll stat pad with no abandon as the recent Knicks game showed.

They have two different approaches to the game.

It is what it is.

This is the most nonsense math I have ever seen.

Embiid scored 41 on higher TS. He put up 10 assists on 3 turn overs.
Jokic scored 25 on lower TS. He put up 3 assists on 4 turnovers.
Jokic did better on the boards. That's it.

And boards matter.

But it's hard to get boards when you may be worn out from dominating the ball and most of what you're doing on offense is outside the paint.

The math is the math, whether you like it or not.

[dygaction]

I am absolutely shocked.

Joel Embiid Quote: "Jokic is the best in the league."

I am even more shocked (pleasantly):

SEE YOU IN TWO WEEKS.

Wow. Respect gained. He's going to show up in Denver.

This is why I don't get the hate for Embiid. He may be a troll but hes a nice humble guy. He's just misunderstood.

Maybe the high ground username from Embiid fans like you contribute to the reputation as a whole

[Mavrelous]

Embiid is back to lead the pack for MVP.
If the Celtics weren't so damn good, I'd be predicting DEN-PHI matchup...

[Mrakar]

Embiid is back to lead the pack for MVP.
If the Celtics weren't so damn good, I'd be predicting DEN-PHI matchup...

I only see it happening with big injuries for both Bucks and Celtics.
Both of them are flawed teams, Bucks with defense and Celtics with clutch execution and if Embiid played like in RS 76ers would get into the finals. However Embiid cant play like that since defense is much better because they are allowed to touch him unlike in RS.

That is why i dont understand this whole im going to flop my way trough RS because it doesnt get you prepared for playoffs and we saw that too many times.

I need to rewatch calmly todays game but no way Nuggets are guarding him like this in playoffs. There was almost no contact on Embiid whole game. Who the **** plays like that aginst one of the strongest guys in the league, but that is because RS ref criteria is broken.

And please dont get me wrong, if i was betting i would also bet against Nuggets making the finals. Clippers look amazing and matchup really well with Nuggets, and i wouldnt write off other teams in the West, and there is also ofc injury possibility.

[Mavrelous]

Embiid is back to lead the pack for MVP.
If the Celtics weren't so damn good, I'd be predicting DEN-PHI matchup...

I only see it happening with big injuries for both Bucks and Celtics.
Both of them are flawed teams, Bucks with defense and Celtics with clutch execution and if Embiid played like in RS 76ers would get into the finals. However Embiid cant play like that since defense is much better because they are allowed to touch him unlike in RS.

That is why i dont understand this whole im going to flop my way trough RS because it doesnt get you prepared for playoffs and we saw that too many times.

I need to rewatch calmly todays game but no way Nuggets are guarding him like this in playoffs. There was almost no contact on Embiid whole game. Who the **** plays like that aginst one of the strongest guys in the league, but that is because RS ref criteria is broken.

And please dont get me wrong, if i was betting i would also bet against Nuggets making the finals. Clippers look amazing and matchup really well with Nuggets, and i wouldnt write off other teams in the West, and there is also ofc injury possibility.

Yeah, Clippers are the only ones that threaten the Nuggets.
I think Nick Nurse isn't going to let PHI meltdown like they did until now, we'll see how it goes.

[Sweet Serenity]

Embiid is back to lead the pack for MVP.
If the Celtics weren't so damn good, I'd be predicting DEN-PHI matchup...

I only see it happening with big injuries for both Bucks and Celtics.
Both of them are flawed teams, Bucks with defense and Celtics with clutch execution and if Embiid played like in RS 76ers would get into the finals. However Embiid cant play like that since defense is much better because they are allowed to touch him unlike in RS.

That is why i dont understand this whole im going to flop my way trough RS because it doesnt get you prepared for playoffs and we saw that too many times.

I need to rewatch calmly todays game but no way Nuggets are guarding him like this in playoffs. There was almost no contact on Embiid whole game. Who the **** plays like that aginst one of the strongest guys in the league, but that is because RS ref criteria is broken.

And please dont get me wrong, if i was betting i would also bet against Nuggets making the finals. Clippers look amazing and matchup really well with Nuggets, and i wouldnt write off other teams in the West, and there is also ofc injury possibility.

We’ve improved significantly in that department this season